Garand Question


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Texoma
August 19, 2007, 08:41 PM
I have a Garand that ejects the first six emptys in the 1 oclock position
then the last two emptys in the 3 oclock position.The last two emptys
have dented case mouths but the first six do not.Is this normal or not.

Texoma

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Steve in PA
August 19, 2007, 08:52 PM
Have you properly lubed the rifle?

Texoma
August 19, 2007, 09:27 PM
Yes sir the rifle is properly lubed.The rifle functions flawlessly.I just happened
to notice the last two rounds dont land with the first six and the case mouths
are dented.

GarandOwner
August 19, 2007, 09:45 PM
I hadnt ever noticed an ejection pattern with my Garand that is as percise as yours. Mine dents some of the case heads as well, not sure if it is always the last 2, but when I find my brass there are always a few that are dented. I'd say its normal. Unless your reloading I wouldnt worry about it. My guess on the change in ejection direction would be the decrease in pressure from the next round underneath due to the decrease in follower pressure...but thats just a wild guess. My garand's ejection pattern is sparatic, as long as it keeps feedin Im not worried about it. You could try shaping the Ejector, but if you dont know what your doing, you might be doing more harm than good. Taking it to a gunsmith to shape the ejector may prove to be just a waste of money

BsChoy
August 19, 2007, 09:59 PM
Mine does the same thing...most to the 1 oclock others to the 3 or so. Mouths get dented on about 1/3 of them...no idea why

Neo-Luddite
August 19, 2007, 10:35 PM
The M-1 can be rough on brass. I never noted a pattern--but you've sparked my interest.

Texoma
August 19, 2007, 10:42 PM
Thanks for the replys.Based on what you have all said I guess this is normal
behavior.

SoCalShooter
August 19, 2007, 11:13 PM
You could get a gunsmith to tune the extractor.

Also if you are putting in a full en bloc in you are definetly having a change in the physics of the way its going to eject the rounds. the only true way to get it to eject everytime the same way is to tune the extractor.

But what you are experiencing is normal, I have two garands and they do something similiar.

Gator
August 20, 2007, 12:35 AM
Yes sir the rifle is properly lubed.

I am not trying to bust your chops, but M1s require grease, not oil. If you are using a good heavy grease, then check the extractor as has been mentioned.

GarandOwner
August 20, 2007, 01:50 AM
I'd say check the ejector rather than the extractor. To my knowledge (which may be wrong) the ejector is what determines the ejection path not the extractor. Because if you want to change ejection pattern you change the angle of the ejector. The extractor just pulls the empty round out of the chamber, but it doesnt start to "flip" until it makes contact with the ejector. I do know from experience if you want to change the pattern on a 1911 then you change the angle of the ejector. I'd assume the Garand was the same way

Swampy
August 20, 2007, 09:11 AM
Because if you want to change ejection pattern you change the angle of the ejector. The extractor just pulls the empty round out of the chamber, but it doesnt start to "flip" until it makes contact with the ejector. I do know from experience if you want to change the pattern on a 1911 then you change the angle of the ejector. I'd assume the Garand was the same way

GarandOwner,

You assume incorrectly, Bud.

The M1 does not have an ejector plate like a Mauser or 1911. It has a spring loaded ejector pin in the left hand face of the bolt. This pin is always bearing on the back of the brass (under spring pressure) until the rifle fires. As the bolt unlocks and travels to the rear and the front end of the brass clears the breech the spring pressure of the ejector pin then flings the brass to the right and clear of the action.

The only real way to modify the action of the M1's ejector is to shorten the ejector spring one loop at a time until you get the ejection distance you want. This is common practice among Highpower shooters to minimize the acreage that must be searched during the brief moments of "Brass Call".

As to ejection PATTERN..... Cleanliness and proper M1 lube (GREASE !!!!) is the key to consistency. Erratic ejection can be caused by improper lube or a dirty rifle.

Now, having said that..... there are just some M1's that want to throw brass every which way, no matter how well they are lubed or how clean. Just an individual idiosyncracy. Fortunately, those seem to be rare.

Best to all,
Swampy

Garands forever

10X
August 20, 2007, 11:35 AM
This is normal for an M1. Every M1 I have ever shot throws empties all over the place.

Texoma
August 20, 2007, 05:10 PM
I am not trying to bust your chops, but M1s require grease, not oil. If you are using a good heavy grease, then check the extractor as has been mentioned.



Actually they require both but yeah I have a big ol tub of plastilube.

GarandOwner
August 21, 2007, 03:06 AM
The M1 does not have an ejector plate like a Mauser or 1911. It has a spring loaded ejector pin in the left hand face of the bolt.

Re-reading I see I got my thoughts crossed and explained it wrong :banghead: But I'm pretty sure that you can change the ejection pattern by changing the angle on the Ejector pin. might cause more bad than good though

Swampy
August 21, 2007, 07:47 AM
But I'm pretty sure that you can change the ejection pattern by changing the angle on the Ejector pin.

Don't think so..... The M1 ejector is pretty uni-function.... and operates strictly off the moment when the mouth of the brass clears the breech.

Ejection PATTERN is going to be controlled by the action of the op-rod... which is the responsible part for kicking the brass forward off the hump of the cam housing. This is why the first 7 shots of a clip generally fling the brass to the 1-2 O'clock position, but the last round (where the action stays open) usually gets thrown anywhere from 3 to 5 O'clock on the spring action of the ejector alone.

Just my 2 bits,
Swampy

Garands forever

Jeremy2171
August 21, 2007, 08:35 AM
Swampy is giving the straight scoop. Ejection pattern is controlled by the forward movement of the op-rod...the ejectors only purpose is to kick the brass clear of the bolt/chamber area.

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