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Kentucky Rifle
July 4, 2003, 10:53 AM
Over the years, especially since I retired, I've "collected" *several firearms. We don't have children and nobody else in my or my wife's family shoots. My heirs are my niece & nephew.
Stocks, real estate, etc... But what about my firearms? Don't give me any answers like "send them to me". I'm serious here. I don't want my collection with which I've spent so much time, to just go away. I want it to go to someone
who will appreciate and care for it the way I have. Maybe I'm just too attached, but that's the way I want it. Any opinions? (I have a reason to get it all straight.)

Thanks,
KR

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Preacherman
July 4, 2003, 11:00 AM
KR, I'd suggest that you think about your shooting friends. I've arranged in my will that my firearms are to be distributed among my friends, and I keep a (short!) list of good shootin' buddies in a safe deposit box (specified in my will as the location of the list). When I go, they will be notified by my executor, and will do a "round-robin" pick of my guns. They'll draw numbers out of a hat, or something: no. 1 takes first pick of anything he/she wants, then no. 2, and so on until they've all had a choice: then they start again with no. 1, until all the guns are gone.

Art Eatman
July 4, 2003, 11:02 AM
Back 25 or so years ago, I met a couple at a gunshow; they had a table across the aisle from me. They supported their RV lifestyle by working gunshows, buying/selling/trading with his own gun collection as the base. They and three other couples travelled the country, meeting at gunshows and "circling the wagons" in the parking lot with their RVs. This sort of thing might not be feasible for you, of course.

Otherwise, just get to know other gun bugs like you and us and learn who's doing their own collecting. Find those folks who appreciate fine weaponry.

Like anything, it takes some homework.

Art

Mal H
July 4, 2003, 11:09 AM
I've done something similar to what the Preacherman has done. The stipulations are in the will and the list is a work in progress, so to speak.

If you have some fairly rare firearms, you might consider willing them to the National Firearms Museum (http://www.nra.org/frame.cfm?url=http://www.nationalfirearmsmuseum.org).

Kentucky Rifle
July 4, 2003, 11:39 AM
I'll start a short list today!

Mal: I like the museum idea too. Maybe, I'll do both things.

Thanks guys, I really appreciate it!
KR

Byron Quick
July 4, 2003, 11:51 AM
I'm childless. My weapons will be willed to younger friends and a couple of relatives who are shooters or hunters. The 400 year old katana will be willed to a friend whose martial art includes kenjutsu.

There will be moral if not legal stipulations. If the recipient cannot, on his honor, undertake possession of the weapons in trust...with the committment to pass it on in the same manner and with the same stipulation: refuse to take possession.

My collection is not one that would be a loss to the world if it is separated. Therefore, I have no qualms about dividing it among several individuals. Most of it will go to one person, though.

carp killer
July 4, 2003, 11:52 AM
Otherwise, just get to know other gun bugs like you and us and learn who's doing their own collecting. Find those folks who appreciate fine weaponry.

This is the advice I would give you too. Just make sure they aren't greedy and want your guns for the money they would earn if they sold them.

10-Ring
July 4, 2003, 11:57 AM
I like the suggestion of looking to your shooting buddies. They are the group who have helped build that relationship w/ your firearms just as if you had gone shooting w/ your own kids. Plus, they are probably the only group w/ knowledge of your firearms.

sm
July 4, 2003, 11:58 AM
Though "I have family" I really don't. I have done pretty much what Preacherman has suggested. Family not close- hasn't been in...-too long.

I did make a footnote recently, my 5 year old neice is a bit of a tomboy, really takes a shine to a particular 1911...and yes she has helped me shoot it. IF she turns out like I think, and I'm gone...I want her to have it and be taught proper.

I'm the uncle they warn you about. I showed her how to take apart a 1911 mag without removable base...she can take it apart, and get it back right. I thought the other grandma was gonna stroke out when she found out what she was playing with. :D

Ticked her off when told she couldn't take it to school for show-and-tell.
"Uncle__ some people are just stupid aren't they?" Yep. ;) Given a choice between a 22 pistol or 1911 she'll reply " I like the big holes"

First handgun I shot was a 1911 at age 6--I turned out OK. ;)

Edward429451
July 4, 2003, 12:24 PM
Shootin buddies with kids get the first pick?:)

happy old sailor
July 4, 2003, 12:40 PM
same problem here.

we are all terminal from birth. a few of us will get our four score and more.
it is not too soon for even the youngest to begin considering their firearms in the event of "what if".

i have picked up some decent guns at yardsales. i have wondered at each one, how it came to be there, who carried it, etc. i don't want mine to go that way. so, for about the last ten years i have been selectively cutting the herd, retaining those i shoot and enjoy the most. for those, there is a list of recipients. i hope it will be honored.

Greg L
July 4, 2003, 12:53 PM
I like the shooting buddies idea for someone in your situation (I've got 3 kids so my C&R buying tends to be in sets of 3), but with the twist that Byron threw in. Pass them along to them with the stipulation that in turn they themselves have to pass them along to a younger shooter when they feel that it is time to do so. The next recipient must swear to do the same, etc. It will never be sold but passed on to someone who would enjoy it. Perhaps even type up a short bio that you can put under the butt plate (or in the box in the case of a pistol) and have successive owners do the same.

While your shooting buddy may know about you the person who he passes it to probably won't. I think that it would be really cool to know something about all the people who were owners of this particular weapon.


(I have a reason to get it all straight.)

I hope that everything is ok.

Greg

444
July 4, 2003, 01:30 PM
I am in the same boat, although hopefully I have only lived about half my life to this point. One of the big things that bothers me is the custom work and accessories that have been added to my various faviorites. I keep telling myself that I am going to sit down and type up a brief summary of each gun. I would like to list what it is, when it was made, where I got it, what I paid for it, who has worked on it, what modifications have been made to it such as action tuning, custom grips, what holster goes with it, etc. For my hunting stuff I would like to also add what animals were taken with it, when and where etc. Maybe add a brief history of that model of firearm, years it was made, production numbers. On the more historical stuff I could add some history. I would like to list what handloads I have found shoot good out of them etc.
No idea who gets them. I hope they are not just sold for the money. I wouldn't sell them for the money unless it was to avoid starvation.

El Tejon
July 4, 2003, 01:37 PM
Confirmed bachelor here. As I will have no children, they will go to my nephews pursuant to will (no need for a trust). Three so far, four in December.:D

I can hardly wait to start teaching them how to use them. Uncle Kirk, designated small arms/hand-to-hand trainer.:D

Edited to add: For those of you with "lists", it may be in your best interests to consult with an attorney who does a lot of probate work in your state. In some states those "lists" carry no legal validity (especially if holographic). In others only if they are incorporated in a valid will or trust.

It is most certainly may be worth a hour or so of attorney conference time so as to avoid hours upon hours of will contest litigation.

Chipperman
July 4, 2003, 04:13 PM
Why not the neice and nephew?
Are they anti-gun?
If not, get them into guns while there's still time.

4v50 Gary
July 4, 2003, 04:41 PM
Speaking of Museums, there's also the Cody Museum in Wyoming and the Frazier Arms Museum that will be opening in Louisville, KY. Larger museums like Springfield Armory National Historic Site generally have only 5% of their collection on view to the public at any given time. :( I'm thinking of a few museums myself for some of my goodies.

Ledbetter
July 4, 2003, 05:39 PM
I plan on selling off some guns as I get older and cannot shoot them. The 03A3 and the Garand, maybe others, will stay in the family no matter what.

The last gun I sold, for far less than it's worth in money, was a 10/22T tricked out be me to shoot like a demon. It's accuracy is frequently remarked on by strangers to the new owner. I wanted to purchase a CZ 452, and I have another 10/22, even better. ;)

The new owner is my best shooting buddy (Noban from TFL) and we both understand it's for his daughter, who goes to the range with me and my daughter to shoot. They can both hit pine cones at 100 yards with no problem now. We also bought "them" each a brand new Ruger Single Six, consecutively numbered.

It was much more important (not to mention simpler) to me to find a good home for the gun and to enrich the life of a friend than to get the highest price I could. I plan to sell and trade this way from now on.

KR, may all be well with you and yours. You're scarin' me.

chaim
July 4, 2003, 06:02 PM
I don't have much to say that hasn't been said, but...

-Are your niece and nephew anti? Neutral but not into guns?

-Do you have a problem with splitting up the collection?

If you niece and nephew aren't into guns but aren't anti maybe you could give them each one nice piece. If they inherit one maybe at least one of them might be inclined to learn to use it, and if so maybe they just might get into the hobby.

If they are antis you might consider the same but with cheaper pieces since the chances are higher that neither will actually use the situation to learn. Hey, why not it is worth a try.

For the other guns in either situation most options have been covered:

-If you have any significant pieces you can give to a museum. They won't be fired but they'll still be appreciated and it will serve an important interest (education).

-Give to friends.

-Before you die, as you find your health or eyesight declining and you shoot less, maybe you can start selling them off for money for other pleasures. Keep one or two for self defense and one or two that you may have a strong emotional attachment with then sell others for a trip someplace you've always wanted to see or that camper to see the country one last time or for that heirloom quality bed, bookcase, clock, etc that you've had your eye on or something else that might mean something for you.

Trisha
July 4, 2003, 06:07 PM
We (Susan and I) are disowned by our respective families for being gay, and we have no children (nor are we interested) - so likely as not everything will go to our favorite charity, as well as specific items designated to be given to 501 c-3 collections.

The Round Robin is an interesting concept. . .

another okie
July 4, 2003, 06:14 PM
I realize not everyone belongs to a good gun club, but at mine there are lots of young shooters, and that's one possibility. My main choice right now is gun-friendly children of buddies.

BenW
July 4, 2003, 06:23 PM
I hate to throw mention of the government into this, but I'm doing the same as many of you and have never considered the legality of willing firearms in modern commie-nazi Amerika (or not worried about it as I'll be dead). But for the living, especially in states like CA, can the firearms just be willed right over, or can they be held by the State for background checks etc. ?

Dave Markowitz
July 4, 2003, 09:10 PM
I hate to throw mention of the government into this, but I'm doing the same as many of you and have never considered the legality of willing firearms in modern commie-nazi Amerika (or not worried about it as I'll be dead). But for the living, especially in states like CA, can the firearms just be willed right over, or can they be held by the State for background checks etc. ?

This is dependent upon state law. For example, in PA the only way to transfer a handgun without a background check is via inheritance.

I strongly urge anyone concerned about how their estate will be disposed of (not just their guns) to consult an attorney in their jurisdiction who concentrates his practice in estate law. Case in point:

I am an attorney, although I haven't practiced law for several years. My parents were after me to prepare their will for them, but as I never practiced estate law I convinced them to go see a specialist. It's a good thing, too. My brother and I were going to have my dad draw up a list of which guns go to each of us. It turns out that doing so under PA estate law has adverse tax consequences, of which I wasn't aware since I did employment and business law.

Smoke
July 4, 2003, 09:19 PM
I also have a list, cited in my will that states who receives what guns.

I name each weapon, quote the serial #, and dictate which accesories go with it, as well as who gets it. List is updated each time a new firrearm is added.

Most guns will go to my kids. All family members (brother, nephew, brother-in-law, etc) interested in shooting will receive a gun that I feel fits their shooting preference. Some close friends will receive guns as well.

My $.02

Standing Wolf
July 4, 2003, 10:09 PM
Having neither wife nor children, I've stipulated in my will that my firearms be sold and the proceeds evenly divided between the N.R.A. I.L.A. and the G.O.A.

Preacherman
July 4, 2003, 11:29 PM
I respectfully remind all THR brethren (and sistren) that your honorary chaplain accepts tithes in the form of firearms...

:evil: :neener: :D

sm
July 4, 2003, 11:41 PM
Preacherman serves lots of wine before passing the "plate" I bet.
I have a mental picture of Preacher going through the tithe...Glock, Sig, Beretta, Loricin?...Loricin?...Got to preach harder on 'true sacrifice' I know that family has a P7...:neener:

Preacherman
July 5, 2003, 01:12 AM
I can hear me now...

"Brothers and sisters, a LORCIN in the collection? We have a heretic among us!!! He must be convicted of GRAND LORCINY!!!"

:D :D :D

Mike Irwin
July 5, 2003, 01:17 AM
You could always stipulate that they be auctioned and the proceeds included in your estate.

sm
July 5, 2003, 04:28 AM
Set the Preacherman up good didn't I...I chose carefully.:D

I'm on some lists of others. The deal is we share the history of said firearm (s) and person. Not to be sold, but appreciated, respected and passed onto someone again repeating the chain. History of person and firearm, call me sentimental if you will.

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