[doubleg]

Did a search and didn't find anything about this shotgun so here are some video's about it.

Its made in Turkey.

Detail Strip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kI5wusy9II&mode=related&search=

At the range
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buZLlYOpqQ4

[Aaryq]

I think I just died and went to heaven! Where can I get one? How much do they cost? Who imports them? I MUST KNOW!!! That is the gun that fits my criteria for a HD/fun gun to the T!

[Anteater1717]

Thats the coolest thing I've ever seen!!!

[Dave McCracken]

Cool. Does it come in anything besides 410?....

[doubleg]

I really have no idea. I do not know if its even imported. Finding out would probably involve being able to speak or read Turkish.

[Coronach]

OK.

Is it just me, or does the lower look 100% stock? If so, one would think that all that would be required would be the upper (which is obviously radically different) and the magazines. Assuming that's the case...ooooh heheheheheheheh. :evil:

What are the rules for importation of uppers? They are, after all, not a firearm. ;) ATF says so themselves.

That is just completely cool.

Mike

[zinj]

.410 is utterly impractical, but that is still cool. Maybe they can make a 12 gauge version to compete with Saiga (though that would preclude the use of an AR lower, probably defeating the purpose).

[Safir Arms]

Dear Sirs,
You may check our shotguns at
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Suite 101

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[Mp7]

WuzZit cost????


i don´t really see a sense in it other than
using bird-loads for home-defense without killing people.......


but most gun-decisions are irrational in the end, eh?

[berettashotgun]

Is the guy in the video from the movie, "White Castle"?

[Safir Arms]

http://img531.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avseq06cz2.flv

Please check the link to see how it works.

[Gord]

Looks cool, but .410 for home defense? Convert a Saiga-12 and order some 10-round mags... done.

[nalioth]

Looks cool, but .410 for home defense?Beats a sharp stick and harsh words every time.

[1KPerDay]

You priced .410 shells lately? *eek*

[armoredman]

How well does it work with slugs...

[1KPerDay]

well if you watch the vids it apparently pokes holes in sheet metal very well.

[6x6pinz]

If they find a way to get them around the new presidents rules, I will certainly have one. Looked into getting one out of UK to the US but can't seem to make it happen.

[Bud Tugly]

Seems like it would be an excellent HD tool for anyone who can't handle the blast and recoil of a 12 gauge. A half-dozen .410 slugs in the chest should stop any attacker unless they're wearing body armor.

An HD weapon should ideally be something any member of the family could use in an emergency, and elderly or disabled folks or youngish children may not be able to handle a larger bore than a .410.

[armoredman]

Why, yes it does, the end of the video didn't load the first time. Interesting, light anti vehicle rifle? Any saboted slugs available?

[goon]

I think I saw something about them being primarily targeted to areas where it's hard to own anything other than a shotgun.
Looks like the US isn't the only country with some die-hard rule beaters.
:D

[Frog48]

I'd love to have one. Would be fun for small game.

[owen]

looks like fun

[R.W.Dale]

SWEETNESS!

This would make the perfect companion to my saiga .410

[stiletto raggio]

If they are available at a decent price and magazines aren't ridiculous, I would definitely get one. I love my Saiga 12s, but I won't for a minute pretend that the AR's ergonomics aren't 100% better. Accessories!

[Safir Arms]

Please contact with Mr.Adam Trieschmann to have a T14.

adam@sportingproducts.com

Sporting products LLC

340 Royal palm Way

Suite 101

Palm Beach, Fl 33480

561-837-8625

[tyesai]

I'm stationed in Turkey, they sell them right out the gate in the alley. They are expensive, I kind of wanted one till he told me 1400 American Dollars. That kind of money gives a person options for something that would kick a lot more butt than a .410

[mgregg85]

Looks like it could be fun on the sporting clays course. What are the sights on that thing like?

[357wheelgunner]

I wonder how much velocity you can get from a .410 slug out of that barrel?

.41 diameter holes in a badguy, with quick followup shots, sounds alright for home defense. The same gun loaded with buckshot would be kind of like 3 round bursts out of a subgun, but with closer grouping.

But.....uh.....Saigas are based off of an AK action, which is much more reliable than the AR action, so if you can get a semi auto in 12 gauge, that is half the price, more reliable, and in 12 gauge, why would you pay so much for the .410 M16?

[HB]

why would you pay so much for the .410 M16?
Because it is .410 M-16 goofy :neener:

[BullpupBen]

The idea is that in Turkey a "rifle license" is difficult and annoying to obtain, but shotguns like this one can be sold freely. So load this up with slugs and you've got a good substitute for an AR-15 in a country where rifles are restricted.

[6x6pinz]

I posted this on another thread but thought there might be some here who don't frequent it and would be interested.

This thing is far more impressive in person than I thought it would be.

Well just got back from a very expensive weekend of shooting. Full auto 223's, 308's and 9mm. along with my new Safir T14. The Safir was a big hit. We shot the piss out of it (1250 rounds) and it worked great on everything except winchester bird loads. The winchester slugs ran perfectly and were suprisingly accurate. The remington ammo worked great in bird, buck and slug rounds. I took a couple hundred rounds of my reloads which worked well, just need to make sure they have clean crimps for uniform feeding. I did not try any of the noble 410, the crimps on them are not as clean or uniform so I did not waste my time taking them. I don't think noble would work in it. It did not take long to get used to shooting clay pidgeons with the rifle sights.

Overall very impressed with the Safir and am really looking forward to the next dove season. I doubt it will replace my Saiga 410 for everyday hunting but the Safir will certainly have a place in my 410 collection for some time.

If I could just get Adam to respond to emails about 10 round mags that would be great.

[NELSONs02]

A short barreled version shooting some heavy shot would be great for CQB but shooting slugs has no advantage what so ever...... especially with a .410 lol

[Jorg]

Overall very impressed with the Safir and am really looking forward to the next dove season.
How easy is it to block the magazines to 2 rounds?

[6x6pinz]

The magazines come apart like any other box magazine. Like with my S410 I will have to make a piece of wood to take up the space of three shells and install it between the follower and the floor plate. Very easily done.

[Deltaboy]

We have had them in the gun shop they look well built.

[6x6pinz]

If you have had them can you get extra mags for them? What size? They were supposed to bring in the 15round mags but I don't know if that is going to happen right away.

[stiletto raggio]

Now if someone would upsize this to a 12 or 20 gauge on an AR-10 lower, it would be worth picking up. The Saiga is my current favorite in 12 and .410. If I had gobs of money laying around, I would pick one of these up, but since I don't and I can have a real AR, I will just keep buying rifles instead.

[6x6pinz]

since I already had the saiga in 12,20 and 410 the Safir was the next option.

[stiletto raggio]

I'm not knocking the decision to get one. I am actually a bit envious. But if the choice comes down to a T14 or two Saiga 12s or a very high-end AR, I know which way I am going.

[tyesai]

How much would you guys being willing to pay for one of these? I saw somewhere that the MSRP was something like $950 with prices on the shelves to be around $800.

[6x6pinz]

mine was 1k to the door

[tyesai]

$1000 is a lot of cash, the plus side is that it is novel, and it would make an ok shotgun for the kids, who would more than likely think it was cool. Maybe this weekend I'll go see what they are selling for. I don't think I could part with more than $800 tops.

[6x6pinz]

it is all about value to the purchaser. I am a very strong advocate for the 410 shotgun for hunting and sporting clays. I personally don't see a need for anything as large as a 12 gauge for dove,quail,rabbit, javelina and the like. I use my Saiga 12 for duck and geese but that is about the only use I have for the 12 gauge shotgun. For me the Safir was more about a style that I did not already own a 410 in.
A good example for me about what each of us finds valuable are my friends that own the full autos. Kind of a waste of money as I see it but they would not part with their autos for anything. I just don't see the draw of something like a full auto 9mm Mac 10. One of my friends has a 308 G3 full auto at 13K and almost a buck a round not much value to me.
As far as my collection goes any rifle/shotgun in 410 has more value to me then to others. If they would make the G3 in 410 I would have one of those also.


With the cost of 410 ammunition they have become less of a kids shotgun and more of an above average shotgunners gun. You just can not be as sloppy a shot when using 410.

so until Obama changes things collect all you can :)

[6x6pinz]

After a few outings and over 1500 rounds I can say this is a great little shotgun. On my last outing I managed 48 out of 50 clays. I was shooting remington nitro clay #8's. The little gun just keeps pumping the shot out. Takes a little getting used to the rifle sights for shooting clays, just takes longer to acquire target. Seems to be easier to keep on target with the rear peep sight. A few of my friends fired it also and were able to hit a fair number of clays also. I believe one of them will be ordering his shortly.

[Gunfighter123]

From the vids and your range report this sounds like a very FUN shotgun.

It is a little out of my price range for a .410 but I am glad to hear you are enjoying shooting yours.

[6x6pinz]

spent some time at the range today getting used to the sights. Here are some results, I will be getting better before hunting season comes around. Still getting used to the sight system.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v721/6x6pinz/firearms/100_2463.jpg

[maksim]

nice, very nice. =P

[tyesai]

I picked one up for $700, I didn't really want it that bad but like I said it is novel, the kids can use it when they get older, and the price was right. Maybe tommorrow I'll take it to the trap/skeet range, although they said it won't cycle bird shot reliably I'll give it a try.

[6x6pinz]

pick up some of the remington nitro clays and I would be willing to bet it cycles better than you can imagine. They are a blast at the range. Spend some time getting used to locating moving targets with the sights and then I bet you will do very well with it. I had a similar issue with my winchester 9410 and the rifle sights, took some time to get used to acquiring targets with rifle sights but now they both are real eye catchers at the range.

looking forward to hear what you have to say about yours.

BTW nice price

[Dimis]

i thought the Safir Wasnt eligable for importing because it was considered "non sporting"

i love the idea but ill have to stick with my saiga for now

[6x6pinz]

not sure how they got around it. The Safir is a sporting shotgun in Turkey. I have and use my Saiga for hunting small game also.

[tyesai]

pick up some of the remington nitro clays and I would be willing to bet it cycles better than you can imagine. They are a blast at the range. Spend some time getting used to locating moving targets with the sights and then I bet you will do very well with it. I had a similar issue with my winchester 9410 and the rifle sights, took some time to get used to acquiring targets with rifle sights but now they both are real eye catchers at the range.

looking forward to hear what you have to say about yours.

BTW nice price

I'll see if I can find some of the nitro clays, when I bought it I wasn't really paying attention to the ammo they had in the store. As for the price, I probably could have gotten it better if I could haggle and or wasn't an American.