.22lr vs. 9mm


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Monkeybear
August 21, 2007, 12:50 AM
I have a problem.

I want a suppressor. People ask me why I need a suppressor and give me wide eyed looks, even pro gun people. Lets just say I think it would be a really cool way to waste money I don't really have.

I have been looking at suppressors and asking questions and reading and emailing all day for the past few days and I have narrowed my options down to two.

Option 1

Special Threaded CZ Kadet Kit (http://www.tacticalinc.com/7585-22lr-conversion-threaded-12x28-p-1012.html) $400

SWR Warlock Suppressor $400

Tax Stamp $200

Total $1000

Option 2

Have a thread adapter installed on my CZ75 Barrel (I have not heard back from Tornado Tech as I emailed them after hours but from my understanding its a $200 job) $200

SWR Trident 9 w/adapter and mount $700 total OTD (my best quote to date)

Tax Stamp $200

Total $1100


What would do you think is cooler and why? Please don't respond with questions about me and my needs and please don't say to get both, I'm sure I will in due time. I just want to know what your personal choice between those two would be and why. I want your perspective.

Thanks

Monkeybear

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Trifler
August 21, 2007, 01:04 AM
Hmm... Well first to answer your question if I was doing what you're doing I would definitely do the 9mm over the .22LR.

Second, in regard to the .22, for that kind of money you could get a pistol customized for .17 HM2 and have it be pretty much as quiet as a silencer right from the start.

Sylvan-Forge
August 21, 2007, 01:29 AM
If I was presented the options you have illustrated, I think I'd have to select the .22 adapter over a 9x19 adapter.

Why? Well, a .22 adapter sounds less of a problem than one for a 9mm.
If the 9mm adapter is welded on, my first thought is the heat might put a slight warping on the barrel, also, how do you get your barrel out of the slide to clean it or replace it? If the adapter uses some kind of compression fitting or a series of fasteners, well, off the cuff I'd say NO WAY! Good way to nuke a can or worse.

I'd contact Bar-Sto Precision Machine and ask if they will do up a threaded CZ barrel and go with the .22 for now.

'sides, .22 standard velocity or subsonic ammo is plentiful and economical.

Have fun either way :D

Monkeybear
August 21, 2007, 01:37 AM
oo7- The CZ75 barrel would be done the same way as the CZ Kadet Barrel. Basically, I might be mistaken on this part, they thread the outside of the stock barrel and then screw on an adapter. Want to take off the barrel, just unscrew the adapter. Just like with a P22 adapter except the barrel is threaded from the factory.

Maybe I should just get one made though.

PTK
August 21, 2007, 01:40 AM
For starting, I would go with a .22lr suppressor. In my opinion, they're more useful. They're quieter than a 9mm suppressed, and are ideal for just plinking and for teaching new shooters fundamentals without the scary BANG and smoke/flash.

I started with a .22lr suppressor, and will soon be getting another.

Sylvan-Forge
August 21, 2007, 01:49 AM
Monkeybear - Ahh ok, that type adapter doesn't seem so bad.
Though my next thought (if one can call it that) is of Loctite.

:)

Jorg Nysgerrig
August 21, 2007, 01:57 AM
Another thing to consider is that you can take a .22 can and get a threaded 10/22 (or other .22) barrel and then have a both a silence pistol and rifle, one at a time, of course.

You could do the same if you happened to have a 9mm rifle, I suppose.

Ragnar Danneskjold
August 21, 2007, 02:11 AM
I agree with PTK. A suppressed .22 is a lot more useful than a 9mm. For me at least, due to prices, I shoot my .22 a lot more than my centerfires. For practice and plinking. So if I could get a suppressor, it would be for my .22. My centerfires are mostly carry pieces, so I don't see the point in shooting them in a manner I am not going to carry them. Since I'm not going to carry a .22, I can mess around all day with that. :)

Monkeybear
August 21, 2007, 02:26 AM
Well one thing that comes to mind for the 9mm is that I have always heard that in HD situations the first shot fired is so bright and loud that you will be blinded and deafened. I hope that with a 9mm suppressor on the one firearm I am most comfortable with will mitigate those effects along with perveived recoil allowing me to use my CZ75 more effectively in HD situations as I make my way to my rifle.

Also 700 is a heck of a deal OTD for the Trident. MSRP which is what most Houston dealers charge is $595 and $150 for the LCD. The only store front SWR dealer that I know of in Houston also wants a $100 fee to fill out my Form 4 for me. Thats just under $915 once you include sales tax.

On the other hand I could make that money back in ammo savings by shooting .22lr.

All things considered I am going to take the deal on the 9mm Trident, hope it all works out. I just wanted to see what others on this board would have said.

PTK
August 21, 2007, 02:30 AM
First round pop is annoying, but not as loud as an unsuppressed pistol. You'll be happy with the 9mm, but you will be getting a .22lr suppressor at some point.

You'll understand later. :D

Geronimo45
August 21, 2007, 02:31 AM
Well... a 9mm silencer would allow you to use it on a .380 auto... if you had a sudden hankering to be 007. Or, if you've watched too many hollywood movies, you could mount it on your revolver. :D

RyanM
August 21, 2007, 03:33 AM
A 9mm silencer will also work on a .22, just not as well as an actual .22 can.

PTK
August 21, 2007, 03:37 AM
Due to problems with leading I would advise against using a 9mm suppressor like that. Most 9mm suppressors aren't able to be taken apart for cleaning, many .22lr suppressors are.

jungleroy
August 21, 2007, 03:47 AM
While I own no suppressors, I have fired many 22's with them out at the range.
I really like The tiny little ones made by Gemtech, their pretty quiet when in use.
Just my 2 cents.

Kindrox
August 21, 2007, 03:29 PM
Don't listen to anyone who knocks your desire to have a suppressor. Anyone who knocks them has not used one, so what is their opininon worth.

It is likely you will eventually get both. The .22 is the quietest option, bar none, but hay it's just a .22. So while a .22 supressed pistol is really cool, it is hard to beat the 9mm for a feeling of having a real weapon.

I don't have extensive experiance, but what I have says supressing a .45 pistol is almost a waste of time. It still seemed very loud. I was very pleasently supprised to see the benefit of a supressed .223.

GunTech
August 21, 2007, 03:35 PM
If you get a suppressor for a recoil operate pistol, it will need a Nielsen device to operate correctly.

Unless I wanted a dedicated suppressor, I'd opt for the 22. If you have the right threads, you can put a 22 suppressor on just about anything without worrying about functioning, and subsonic 22lr is about the quietest you can get through a suppressor.

waterhouse
August 21, 2007, 03:44 PM
I don't know if this will help at all . . .

I've got suppressors for my .22s and my .45s.

Just like I did before I got the cans, I shoot the .22 more. I've also got 2 rifles and a pistol that it fits on (I don't have a .45 rifle) so for me the .22 can is more versatile.

If I could only have 1, I'd go with the .22.

but what I have says suppressing a .45 pistol is almost a waste of time

What sort of setup were you shooting? Was the can wet or dry?

Trifler
August 21, 2007, 04:51 PM
Hmm... is there such a thing as a suppressor for a .357? :)

Geronimo45
August 21, 2007, 05:28 PM
Hmm... is there such a thing as a suppressor for a .357?
Yes, on most TV shows. MacGuyver, I think, showed them very frequently.

The gap twixt cylinder and barrel apparently lets out a lot of sound, so suppressing the thing isn't supposed to be worth it in a revolver.

Monkeybear
August 21, 2007, 09:29 PM
I was very pleasently supprised to see the benefit of a supressed .223.
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Kindrox- How dose it sound with regular non-subsonic ammo?

doc2rn
August 22, 2007, 12:10 AM
I just go with a Ruger Mark I and a baby nipple, good for about 20 shots.

Monkeybear
August 22, 2007, 02:09 AM
doc- If you are joking thats pretty funny. If you are serious that is a felony. I hope you are joking.

I agreed to take the Trident-9 for 700 OTD. Just couldn't pass up a deal like that. I found a guy in Houston, who has an excellent reputation over on Arf by the way, who wanted to sell it to me for 700 plus tax. Thats a great deal considering everyone else in the city I have talked to about SWR cans. I will keep him in mind if I decide to get a AAC can for my AR-15 or an Aviator.

medmo
August 22, 2007, 03:03 AM
Enjoy the Trident-9. Check out the 22lr with a can on it when you get a chance. I really like them with subsonic ammo because they are very, very quiet.

Have you heard of AWC? The do quality work and know their stuff. You might want to give them a look-see when you are ready for the 22lr.

http://www.awcsystech.com/

silverlance
August 22, 2007, 06:30 AM
i find it silly that the law considers using a baby nipple on a .22 a felony. what if you see a big possum in your hen coop and you need to put it out without waking up the kids?

nope, cant use a nipple. gotta get a form 4 and 200$ stamp. oh well. i guess you could always get good with slinging rocks.

Guido2006
August 22, 2007, 11:17 PM
I'd go with the .22 silencer. You'll get much more use out of it considering you can buy 500 rounds of .22 for about $10.

PTK
August 23, 2007, 01:25 AM
Monkeybear,

.223 out of an AR-15 (11.5" barrel) with a proper suppressor on the barrel sounds like an unsuppressed .22lr 16"-22" barreled rifle firing CCI MiniMags. It's loud, but a lot quieter than an unsuppressed .223 11.5" barrel! Night and day difference.

The Finns have a saying "A silencer does not make a rifleman silent, but it does make him invisible." Most of the noise of a rifle to the shooter and nearby listeners comes from the muzzle blast. The suppressor takes care of most of that and for the most part all you hear is the bullet breaking the sound barrier.

RyanM
August 23, 2007, 02:04 AM
The Finns have a saying "A silencer does not make a rifleman silent, but it does make him invisible." Most of the noise of a rifle to the shooter and nearby listeners comes from the muzzle blast. The suppressor takes care of most of that and for the most part all you hear is the bullet breaking the sound barrier.

Also, if anyone listening isn't familiar with the "crack-bang" effect, and doesn't know how to tell what's a sonic crack and what's a muzzle report, they could get really confused as to where the shooting is coming from.

With a decent suppressor that removes most of the muzzle blast, all they'll hear is the sonic crack as though it were coming from the direction where the bullet passed closest to them. I.e., if the bullet goes to their right, they'll hear a crack from the right.

PTK
August 23, 2007, 02:09 AM
Ryan,

Quite correct, which explains the saying well. I've heard a .30-06 fired with quite supersonic rounds fitted with a proper suppressor that sounded like someone downrange was firing toward us. It was an odd experience.

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