.22 LR Plinking and Target Pistols


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BlisteringSilence
August 21, 2007, 01:57 AM
After doing searches with multiple strings, I have come to the conclusion that this subforum needs a thread with some cohesive ammo on the myriad of choices of .22 plinkers/target pistols out there.

I have chosen to start with the plinkers, because that's what I'm in the market for.

First, let's do some definitions. I consider a plinker to be a pistol that is accurate out of the box to 25 yards or so, not terrible expensive (under $500), and easy to obtain. Moreover, I'm only doing production guns. If it's no longer made (and there are some awesome ones that fit this bill), I'll make another thread for it. So, with that out of the way, let's go to town.

Next, a caveat. I am not an expert. While I have shot many of these pistols, I have not shot all of them. I hope to edit this original post with information that others suggest.

Finally, the pistols.

Beretta:

Beretta offers one pistol in this class, the U22 Neos. It looks strange. Because of this, there are many people that don't like it. Owners seem to like them.

It looks like this:

http://products.berettausa.com/images/immagini_maxi/JUDS75B_S_maxi.jpg or http://products.berettausa.com/images/immagini_maxi/JUDS75X_S_maxi.jpg

The Neos can be had with 4.5", 6", and 7.5" barrels.

Prices new range from $200 to $300. If you pay more than this, you've been had.


Bersa

The Bersa offering, masquerading under the label of Firestorm, looks just like their Thunder .380. While I personally have never shot one, the reviews of this little baby are mostly positive.

It looks like this:

http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/fs/fs_22M.jpg

They can be had with barrels in 3.5" and 6."

Price wise, this sucker's a little hard to nail down. You really shouldn't pay more than about $250 for one, and I'd be hard pressed to pay more than $175. That being said, they're kind of scarce, so negotiating your way into a good deal is more difficult than your average glick.


Browing:

Our friends at browning offer the buckmark. This pistol has been around the block more than a two-bit whore on times square before Rudy. Well, more actually. People love them. I love them. They currently come in 24 flavors (accoring to the website), and every one of them will likely shoot well.

It looks like this:

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/images/051379m.jpg

The varieties of barrels for the buckmark is amazing. Bull, target, tapered, in lengths of 4", 5.5", and 7.25."

If you can find one new in the $250 range, snap it up. The upper end on these puppies is $800+.

Ruger:

Ah, yes. Ruger. Makers of the esteemable Mark III (and its predecessors) and the 22/45. Hard as hell to put back together after cleaning (it's always easy to take apart, isn't it?), they're tack drivers. Literally hundreds of thousands of handgunners started off with these beauties. And for good reason.

The Mark III looks something like this:

http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/images/Products/248L.jpg

And the 22/45 looks like this:

http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/images/Products/263L.jpg


Rugers, like buckmarks, have tons of barrel options. Target, bull, tapered, fluted... It's like a salad bar. The Mark III can be had in lengths of 4.75", 5.5", 6", and 6.875". The 22/45 offers 4", 4.5", 5.5", and 6.875".


Also just like with the buckmarks, there is quite the range in price for these babies. A Mark III will start around $250 for the base model. Expect to pay in the $400 range for a good one. The 22/45 starts around just north of $200, and there is no good reason to pay more than $400 for a new one. Unless it comes with things like extra magazines. Or a maid.

Smith and Wesson:

Our friends (we can call them that now, right? It's long enough after their pact with the devil?) from S&W have another popular offering, the 22A, and its friend, the 22S. I really don't know much about them, other than a couple of guys I know have them, and won't let me shoot them. I don't know why. Jealousy? Embarassment? Only time will tell. That being said, they have them and won't sell them, so they must not be too bad.

It looks like this:

http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson/upload/images/firearms/107430_large.jpg

It's available with 4", 5.5", and 7" barrels.

These suckers are pretty reasonable, price wise. You get S&W's lifetime warranty to boot. They start in the $175 range, and top out around $300.

Sig-Sauer:

Our friends at Sig bring two different animals to the table. First is their Trailside. This little beauty is lots of fun to shoot, assuming it doesn't wear out after 1500 rounds. Allegedly, they have fixed the reliability problems. I don't know. I will attest to it's accuracy.

It looks like this:

http://www.gunshopfinder.com/sig/standard-large.jpg

Barrels available are in 4.5" and 6".

These are getting harder to find new, but you can expect them to start out in the $350 range, and go up from there.

Sig's other offering is the Mosquito. This puppy is probably the least accurate of the pistols listed here, but it is fun to shoot, and has the same features as the 230 line of sigs.

They look like this:

http://www.sigarms.com/images/catalog/product/MOSQstd-left.jpg

Here, you can get barrels in 4" or 5".

You can expect for them to start at $300, and top out at $450.

Walther:

The boys at Walther (by way of S&W) offer their competetor to the mosquito, the P22. This weapon is functionally similar to the P99 (in the same way as the Sig), and is just as much fun to shoot.

It looks like this:

http://www.waltheramerica.com/wcsstore/Walther/upload/images/firearms/WAP22003.jpg

The barrel options on this one are pretty limited. You can get it in 3.4" or 5".

These are similarly priced to the Sig, as well. You can expect to pay between $250 and $375 for one, and will be glad you did (assuming you have a P99)

An interesting development of the P22 line is the SP22 pistol. Ostensibly the target version of the P22, it is priced nicely enough to make it onto our list here.

Check out this pic:

http://www.waltherpistols.com/DisplayPic.aspx?PIC=53621

It's available with 4" and 6" barrels, and will set you back somewhere bewteen $250 and $350.


Phoenix Arms

The entry from our buddies at Phoenix is a nice little pistol called the HP22. I don't know much about this little puppy, so hopefully someone else can fill in some details here.

It looks like this:

http://www.ssaa.org.au/OFFICIALREVIEWS/22lrpistol/phoenixhp22.jpg

It is barreled in 3" and 5", and is cheap. CHEAP. Did I mention it's cheap? You can expect to shell out less than $150 for one of these puppies.


Olympic Arms

The guys at Olympic Arms took a break from their AR clones long enough to restart production on a .22 plinker that looks, well, like a ray gun. From the 1950's. I'm not kidding about this. It really does. They call it the Whitney Wolverine.

Anyway, it's a nice, inexpensive plinker. The design is classic, and the one guy I know who's shot a new one seems to like his. So, there you go.

It looks like this:

http://www.olyarms.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/pistol-ww/full-ww.jpg

With the only barrel option being 4.625", this is not a gun you can trick out. It does look cool, though, and can be had for around $220.


OK, that's all I've got for the moment. You all fire back, and lemmie know what's up.

edited to include the Walther
edited again to include the Bersa
edited yet again to include Phoenix, Olympic, and put barrel length info in

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Trifler
August 21, 2007, 03:54 AM
Good thread.

Others not on your list are the Walther P22, CZ 75 Kadet, and Kimber's 1911 Target and Super .22LR pistols. Taurus has .22LR pistols also, but only for concealed carry, so I suppose they don't count. Not sure if there are any other major names.

I've heard people say the Berreta U22 Neos is one of the best for using a scope (the scope doesn't mess up its balance like most .22 pistols), for people who want to use one.

BlisteringSilence
August 21, 2007, 05:38 AM
Thanks for pointing out the P22. I left out the CZ 75 Kadet because I've never seen one in person. The conversion kits are widely available, but the actual built pistol is damn difficult to get ahold of.

Similarly, I left out the Kimbers because they exceed my price range. I saw a target model for $700, and almost bought it because I thought it'd be a steal.

Anyway, that's just my opinion. Updated.

Docgmt
August 21, 2007, 06:03 AM
Great idea for a tread! I have just started looking for a 22 for my wife to shoot, my M&P is a bit much for her taste.:) I have a Rugar single six that will put a single hole in paper at 25 yards all day long. The problem is it takes forever to load and remove the spent shells. This give me a start point, thanks for looking up the info.

evan price
August 21, 2007, 06:42 AM
No longer in production but still out there:
Colt Woodsman

Trifler
August 21, 2007, 06:43 AM
I have a Rugar single six that will put a single hole in paper at 25 yards all day long. The problem is it takes forever to load and remove the spent shells.

Not sure if you have them already or not, but a couple of speed loaders would help out with your revolver.

FieroCDSP
August 21, 2007, 06:56 AM
Get a couple of the revolvers on here and this would make a nice sticky. It's nice to know what you're looking at when you shop.

BTW, that Beretta does look funky, but cool. I'd imagine it's pretty nice in the hand.

Shear_stress
August 21, 2007, 07:05 AM
Don't forget the Beretta 87 and Firestorm (Bersa) FS22. It's a shame that we're limited to new production guns in this thread. There are oodles of no-longer-made plinkers out there (Astra Constable, Beretta 70/71/72/75/101/102/948, Bernardelli 60/80, Bersa 644/23, Browning Nomad/Challenger, Colt Woodsman/Huntsman, Erma/Excam RX22, High-Standard Sport King, Iver-Johnson TP22, Smith & Wesson 422/622/2206/2213/2214, Star F/FM, etc) and that doesn't include the numerous .22 LR revolvers that were out there. Seems to me that we're not living in the best of times for new .22 plinkers.


Quote:
I have a Rugar single six that will put a single hole in paper at 25 yards all day long. The problem is it takes forever to load and remove the spent shells.

Not sure if you have them already or not, but a couple of speed loaders would help out with your revolver

The Single-Six is single-action and has a loading gate.

MP5
August 21, 2007, 08:19 AM
Hard as hell to put back together after cleaning (it's always easy to take apart, isn't it?)

Not true. I have a Mk. II 22/45 that's simple to take down and reassemble--it only takes a few seconds. It might be hard the first time or if you don't read the manual, but otherwise it's a snap.

BlisteringSilence
August 21, 2007, 01:21 PM
Get a couple of the revolvers on here and this would make a nice sticky. It's nice to know what you're looking at when you shop.

I'm down. Though, I don't know beans about .22 revolvers, outside of the little bearcat I shot when I was but a young pup. Not to mention, this is the Autoloading subforum, I think the including of revolvers might get us a tad off topic. And I don't want to upset any mods.

No longer in production but still out there:
Colt Woodsman
Don't forget the Beretta 87 and Firestorm (Bersa) FS22.

As much as I'd like to include the woodsman, they're almost impossible to find new, and the vast, vast majority of them exceed the price limit for a plinker.

As does the Beretta 87, no matter how sweet that baby shoots.

The Bersa should make the list though, no doubt. I'll get it edited in.

It's a shame that we're limited to new production guns in this thread. There are oodles of no-longer-made plinkers out there (Astra Constable, Beretta 70/71/72/75/101/102/948, Bernardelli 60/80, Bersa 644/23, Browning Nomad/Challenger, Colt Woodsman/Huntsman, Erma/Excam RX22, High-Standard Sport King, Iver-Johnson TP22, Smith & Wesson 422/622/2206/2213/2214, Star F/FM, etc) and that doesn't include the numerous .22 LR revolvers that were out there. Seems to me that we're not living in the best of times for new .22 plinkers.
While I agree to a point, I don't know that we're not living in the best of times for the venerable 22. Most of the pistols you mentioned have been out of my price range the whole time they've been around. They were relegated to the guys that shot in nothing but the rimfire matches at the range, and saw the utility of paying $800 (or $500 in the early 90's) for their fun guns.

Now, there are a number of inexpensive, fairly accurate .22's out there. And you and I both know these are the guns you use to introduce people to shooing. My .40 is intimidating. My .357 is even more so. My shotgun, well, kicks like a 12ga.

But a nice little 22/45, and a 10/22, can make a shooter for life.

My girlfriend is the perfect example. She DID NOT want to go shooting, that was a stupid boy thing. Well, eventually I convinced her to come out to the farm and watch, and then to shoot the pistol. She LOVED it.

Now, I have to convince her I need to work, and can't go to the range. Though, she did make me start wearing gloves when I shoot. She doesn't approve of calluses.

Besides, you can still find the older .22 plinkers. They're so overengineered (for the most part) they won't die.

Vern Humphrey
August 21, 2007, 03:07 PM
No longer in production but still out there:
Colt Woodsman

Mine was made in 1938, I got it for $225, it regularly shoots 1 3/4" groups at 25 yards with Wal-Mart Remington bulk-pack from a modified Weaver grip, has accounted for a pot full of squirrels and it ain't for sale.:neener:

Shear_stress
August 21, 2007, 06:45 PM
While I agree to a point, I don't know that we're not living in the best of times for the venerable 22. Most of the pistols you mentioned have been out of my price range the whole time they've been around. They were relegated to the guys that shot in nothing but the rimfire matches at the range, and saw the utility of paying $800 (or $500 in the early 90's) for their fun guns.

Not sure which guns you're talking about. With the exception of the Beretta 87, practically all of the guns on my list can be had for south of three bills. I know this from personal experience as a USDA-certified, degenerate .22 plinker addict. Even the M87 can be found for reasonable prices if you are patient. We're talking Iver-Johnsons and Astras here, not Walther GSPs.

Also, don't forget to add the FEG AP-22 or SMC-22 to your list.

greener
August 21, 2007, 06:48 PM
Mine was made in 1938, I got it for $225, it regularly shoots 1 3/4" groups at 25 yards with Wal-Mart Remington bulk-pack from a modified Weaver grip, has accounted for a pot full of squirrels and it ain't for sale.

Shot one in the early 70's. Didn't know a handgun could shoot like that. I put getting one on my round tuit list. Got distracted and have regretted not buying one. My brother-in-law has the pistol, in the original box, with the original papers. When he is feeling mean, he lets me look at the box.

greener
August 21, 2007, 06:51 PM
I have the 22A, MKIII Hunter, MKIII 22/45, Buck Mark Standard and P22. The 22A, Rugers and Buck Mark are fine shooting pistols. Each has its good points and bad points. I'd put the P22 a step below the others.

BlisteringSilence
August 21, 2007, 08:57 PM
Also, don't forget to add the FEG AP-22 or SMC-22 to your list.

These don't qualify, as they're not available new here in the US. Or, if they are, I've never seen one.

Schwebel
August 21, 2007, 10:04 PM
Nice thread, if you do start putting up wheelies, dont forget the Ruger Single/Six, and Beasly, also Taurus makes some in different barrel lengths. And my personal favorite the Rough Rider 22lr/22mag combo that sells for about $125.

joplinsks
August 21, 2007, 10:08 PM
A target pistol is one with a relatively long barrel. You want to consider the Browning, Ruger, and Sig-Sauer Trailside. Have heard negative comments about the S&W and U22 Neos.

Personally, I prefer the Browning Buckmark. To me it's a finely balanced semi auto that feels good and shoots great. The Ruger is a close second, but to me it feels more like a "toy" compared to the Buckmark.

The Buckmark "Camper" as pictured in this thread can be found occasionally on sale for $209-$219 at various large sporting goods chains. Awesome value for that price.

Shear_stress
August 21, 2007, 10:17 PM
These don't qualify, as they're not available new here in the US. Or, if they are, I've never seen one.

True on that one. I guess Interarms stopped importing them a couple of years ago, though strictly speaking they are still production guns. I do own one that appears to be new-old-stock, but that wouldn't qualify for your list.

A couple of notes. First, the Firestorm FS22 is available with a 6" barrel. Second, you might add the new Walther SP22 to your list. Never seen or shot one, I just know they exist. Third, don't forget the Phoenix HP22 and Olympic Arms Wolverine.

As for the CZ Kadet, I don't know why it doesn't qualify. It's available for under $500, as per the first post. If your dealer doesn't have one, just ask them to order it.

bluetopper
August 21, 2007, 11:26 PM
How short our memory seems to be of the ruler of the .22 hangun market in the golden age of the .22, from the 40's through the 70's. High Standards.
No pot metal and plastic here.
American craftsmanship at its finest.
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o182/bendebval/hscollection1.jpg

BlisteringSilence
August 22, 2007, 01:52 AM
A couple of notes. First, the Firestorm FS22 is available with a 6" barrel. Second, you might add the new Walther SP22 to your list. Never seen or shot one, I just know they exist. Third, don't forget the Phoenix HP22 and Olympic Arms Wolverine.

As for the CZ Kadet, I don't know why it doesn't qualify. It's available for under $500, as per the first post. If your dealer doesn't have one, just ask them to order it.

And more good points. To go backwards, I didn't include the Kadet because I've never actually seen one in person. None of the local gun stores carry them (I called around this afternoon to ask), and I've never seen one at a gun show. The conversion kit for the 75 is readily available, that's all I've seen.

The reason I didn't include it is I don't know what a good price range for it is. If you could give me an idea, into the list it goes. Also, how does the built weapon shoot?

I've now added the HP22, the wolverine, and the SP22. I like the looks of that walther. Has anyone here acquired/fired one? I really like the price, and our friends at Walther know about building a .22 target pistol.

Finally, I added barrell length options for all the weapons listed thus far.

chris in va
August 22, 2007, 03:13 AM
I don't know why the CZ always gets left out. I love mine, fully reliable and quite accurate. Oh, and it was only $200 since I already had the 75.

Trifler
August 22, 2007, 05:27 AM
I like the looks of the Wolverine. Hopefully they'll offer a 6.5" barrel option in the future. They do offer a flash suppressor on it for $15 and they have a picture of it: http://www.olyarms.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/pistol-ww/full-wwfs.jpg

crankshop1000
August 22, 2007, 08:57 AM
Based on personal experience,I recommend the S&W 22A with a 7" bbl. Add a red dot optical and you will have a plinker that can single hole 10 shots at 100'.The 22A is a great little gun for the money.Easy to disassemble and clean,changable barrels,weaver rail mount and good sights from the factory. They eat a plastic recoil bushing ($1.50) every 2000-3000 rounds.

greener
August 22, 2007, 07:46 PM
Based on personal experience,I recommend the S&W 22A with a 7" bbl. Add a red dot optical and you will have a plinker that can single hole 10 shots at 100'.The 22A is a great little gun for the money.Easy to disassemble and clean,changable barrels,weaver rail mount and good sights from the factory. They eat a plastic recoil bushing ($1.50) every 2000-3000 rounds.

You mean like this?

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n159/greener6/DSC00080.jpg

It won't "one-hole" 10 rounds at 100' because it has a trigger problem: they guy pulling it. It does a tolerable job of putting holes close together. Best freehand group I've shot is with this one, open sights.

greener
August 22, 2007, 07:56 PM
I really can't decide if this is a good thread or not. After I bought the Buck Mark, I decided that I had a bad case of PADD (pistol attention deficit disorder) and would cool my jets for a while and shoot the ones I had. This thread has me lusting in my heart again.

Hoffy
August 22, 2007, 08:02 PM
I am the proud owner of a Browning Buckmark Contour 5.5. If I had to do it all over again, I might still end up with the same pistol, but I would have more seriously considered shelling out more money for the 41.

I shoot my .22 pistol more than my other 5 centerfire pistols combined. For people that primarily shoot pistols at the range, the .22 could very well be the cornerstone of their arsenal. If I was making a recommendation...I would suggest looking toward the high end rather than the low.

BlisteringSilence
August 22, 2007, 10:51 PM
Where is the S&W 41?
I am the proud owner of a Browning Buckmark Contour 5.5. If I had to do it all over again, I might still end up with the same pistol, but I would have more seriously considered shelling out more money for the 41.

I shoot my .22 pistol more than my other 5 centerfire pistols combined. For people that primarily shoot pistols at the range, the .22 could very well be the cornerstone of their arsenal. If I was making a recommendation...I would suggest looking toward the high end rather than the low.

Where is the 41? Well, it's everywhere. And is a dream to shoot. Unfortunatly, it's expensive. Too expensive for this list. I've never seen one in good shape for less than 7 bills, and a new one's going to cost at least $800. As this list caps off at $500, that's way past the price point.

I designed this thread to be about affordable .22 plinkers and target guns. This is where most new shooters start. While I would love a 41, I don't know that it's the kind of gun I would give my 12 year old nephew. I did, however, give him a Neo. And I liked it so much, I'm about to buy one for myself.

Most people are never going to need more accuracy than can be found in a nice buckmark or mark III, after a trigger job and some optics. And you can have that paid for before you get into the last bill or two for a 41, or a nice high standard, let alone a walther or anschtuz.

Vern Humphrey
August 23, 2007, 08:04 AM
Shot one in the early 70's. Didn't know a handgun could shoot like that. I put getting one on my round tuit list. Got distracted and have regretted not buying one. My brother-in-law has the pistol, in the original box, with the original papers. When he is feeling mean, he lets me look at the box.
Get your sister to work on him.

I shot a Woodsman for the first time at the University of Oklahoma indoor range in '61 and lusted for one ever after. In '76 I bought one of the last made, a Huntsman, and it was a big disappointment. But the Holy Grail, my first edition Woodsman fully lives up to its reputation.

Hoffy
August 23, 2007, 03:08 PM
OOPS!!! Missed the under $500 part when I steered the thread toward the SW41.

BlisteringSilence
August 23, 2007, 04:00 PM
OOPS!!! Missed the under $500 part when I steered the thread toward the SW41.

That's OK. We can still be friends.

Ghost Tracker
August 23, 2007, 04:21 PM
The Browning Buckmark & the Ruger Mark (I, II & III) are the obvious answers. They'll shoot better than the Walther, Beretta & S&W (non-41) right out of the box. With a little tweaking (or in the higher-grade models) they can be considered honest Target Pistols. Yeah, I've owned High Standard Victor 10x, S&W 41 & Hammerli Olympic models. But day-in/day-out, with the widest range of ammo, in the widest range of circumstances, the Browning & the Ruger will be the ones I pick to shoot. Between those two, pick the one that best fits your hand, your eye & your wallet. And then do your very best to WEAR IT OUT! It'll make you a better shot regardless of what you're shooting. If you've already got a good-quality 1911 based pistol, buy a Marvel .22 Conversion. It'll shoot as well as ANY gun mentioned in this thread.

BlisteringSilence
August 24, 2007, 01:52 PM
What about the rest of you? Thoughts? Opinions?

rxraptor02
August 24, 2007, 04:21 PM
Great read.

I have been wanting to add a .22 semi-auto plinker to my collection.

I plan to buy either a Ruger or browning.

From post #1 it says the Ruger is more accurate, How much better is it than the browning?
OR are the two close to accuracy levels and its more of the person shooting?

I know you need to keep a gun clean for it to function well. I also know that the talk of these guns are high. With a clean gun it should always run good. Given both are cleaned correctly how many rounds are folks getting before failures or jams?

I want to be able to put 300 or more rounds through the gun before I need to think about cleaning it.

Thanks,
James

Vern Humphrey
August 24, 2007, 04:31 PM
I wouldn't call the Ruger more accurate than the Browning -- I think the normal variation from gun to gun is greater than the accuracy potential between the two.

You can, however, get more after-market "goodies" for the Ruger. The Volquartson trigger is a stand-out. But I can tell you a much cheaper way to get a good trigger from a Ruger.

atblis
August 24, 2007, 05:47 PM
CZ Kadet should be in there (dealers can order them).

I'd probably remove the Trailside as it isn't made anymore.

BlisteringSilence
August 24, 2007, 07:37 PM
CZ Kadet should be in there (dealers can order them).

To go backwards, I didn't include the Kadet because I've never actually seen one in person. None of the local gun stores carry them (I called around this afternoon to ask), and I've never seen one at a gun show. The conversion kit for the 75 is readily available, that's all I've seen.

The reason I didn't include it is I don't know what a good price range for it is. If you could give me an idea, into the list it goes. Also, how does the built weapon shoot? (http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=3652734&postcount=20)

As there are still trailsides available new in the box, I figured I'd leave them in for at least a few more months.

SX1guy
August 24, 2007, 07:44 PM
Gunbroker.com has several Trailsides NIB for sale or Auction...

wrangler5
August 25, 2007, 01:59 AM
My favorite 22 plinker is my Makarov with the 22 adapter. My own Mak is military surplus and they are plentiful at $300 or less, but I believe there is a commercial model that is still available new. The 22 adapter kits are available new at $200. The 22 unit takes a bit of breaking in, as the slide is aluminum and needs to smooth out its sliding surfaces before the setup becomes fully reliable, but once broken in mine has become about as reliable as my Ruger MkII.

One advantage of the 22 Makarov is that it has a decocker, and so can be carried afield loaded but safe. When the hammer is down it is kept well away from the firing pin by the sear. The gun can be gotten into action with a double action trigger pull for the first shot, or you can cock the hammer by hand (easy to do unless you have fairly small hands.) I personally would NOT feel comfortable carrying my Ruger MkII in a holster loaded with just the trigger safety on. Maybe it's just me.

And, of course, should you ever want one, you can have a 9mm Makarov pistol again by removing the 22 slide and recoil spring, unscrewing the front barrel liner nut, removing the barrel liner, and putting the original slide and recoil spring back on. Takes under 2 minutes.

SX1guy
August 25, 2007, 05:43 AM
Blistering Silence, I think it all comes down to Style and Type of shooting...

On one end we have Ruger, Browning and Buckmark and Off brands on the other end with Sig, Walther and S&W in the middle with their newer styled
22's...I have already been through the Ruger MK II type with Red Dot and later Weaver pistol scope....puts them in a 3/4" group at 25yds.

Now I want 1" groups at 15 and 10 yds with the open sighted Mosqiuito I just purchased, should have by next Friday, ordered it in the Two Tone configuration.

We shall see...

In any event this has been a great forum for 22's, both useful and enjoyable, thanks for your efforts.

hamourkiller
August 25, 2007, 06:04 AM
If you want a 22 for plinking and target work, buy a High Standard Victor or Military Trophy. Same frame and feel as a 1911 and more accurate than you are. I bought a victor in 1973 or so and have never felt a desire for another 22. Trigger pull and sights are the best.
Just my very humble opinion.

atblis
August 25, 2007, 09:20 AM
I believe your intent is to make a guide for people in the market for a 22 plinker. Including something that is available, but not common would be an extremely good use for your guide.

The Kadet is top notch. The general consensus is that they are up there with the Rugers/Brownings. My slabsite target was shooting 1" groups, while the Kadet was doing 1.5" groups. I suspect that even then, the difference was due to having a red dot on the Ruger. All groups were a full mag at 25 yards. Others have reported similar accuracy with their Kadets.

It actually doesn't differ at all really from the kit. It is literally a 75 frame with the adapter already installed. It is all steel, and weighs the same as a 75B and comes with adjustable sights. The magazines are quality (unlike other 22s). I paid $289 for the complete pistol, but that was a clearance deal. I think $400 ish is more common.


http://filebox.vt.edu/users/atblis/Kadet.jpg

SX1guy
August 25, 2007, 09:38 AM
Pretty good shooting for open sights and 25yds...

Two hands standing...?

Offhand...?

Bench rested with sandbags or something...?

What was you way of firing...?

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