Rifles at Cabelas


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esmith
August 21, 2007, 04:37 PM
I just got off the phone at cabelas and it turns out they didn't have the mossberg ATR i wanted. I dont have enough money for it right now so i think im just going to abandon the idea for now and just buy a mosin nagant to shoot with. I asked what they had and the guy on the phone said he has 91/30s for 149.99 with original layout, 91/30s for 149.99 that mossy oak took and refurbished with a synthetic stock, and a used m44 that was 699.99. I believe the guy made a mistake telling me, it could have been 69.99. My questions are, do you think i should go for the 91/30s or wait for a better deal? Where i am cabelas is the only place i can find them. Also, where can i find an offset bolt so i can put a scope on the rifle?

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ArmedBear
August 21, 2007, 04:42 PM
where can i find an offset bolt so i can put a scope on the rifle?

I know there are some hardcore Mosin fans here, but if that's what you want to do, I'd say skip the thing altogether.

esmith
August 21, 2007, 04:49 PM
Well i would really like to have a scope on it but it depends on how cheap it is to find and buy a new bolt and also on how good i can shoot with the sights. I might actually just buy it and shoot with the sights.

ArmedBear
August 21, 2007, 04:56 PM
The accuracy of the Mosin depends on the condition of the barrel, etc.

Understand, though, that the design objectives were to make something that was simple, durable, hard for illiterate conscripts to destroy, and useful as a blunt weapon and a bayonet platform. It was not a match rifle, and most likely wouldn't pass minimum military accuracy requirements today.

The surplus guns we get have had a lot of rounds through them and most have been counterbored to get rid of some of the muzzle wear, but the barrels are well-used in the two I have. Well-used.

Some people report acceptable accuracy. But that's a crapshoot.

What exactly do you plan to do with it? What other rifles do you own or might you want?

esmith
August 21, 2007, 04:59 PM
I have wanted a mosin just because i like the sheer look of the rifle and history behind it. I would be shooting at targets with the gun mostly. I was planning on getting a mossberg ATR100 in .270 to shoot targets as well as hunt but there are only a few places that sells them.

mrrick
August 21, 2007, 05:04 PM
A mosin nagant in decent condition can be extemely accurate. Mine are.

ArmedBear
August 21, 2007, 05:12 PM
mrrick is right, but I don't know what you can get there at Cabela's.

I'd pay extra for one that's in top condition, and $150 wouldn't be bad if it's really accurate. The bent bolts I've seen have been $100, though, just for the bolt, and scope mounts aren't free, either. I don't mind irons, myself, but then again, one of mine came with the front sight base about 20 degrees from horizontal. Gotta borrow a torch to fix it. Just having the Mosin can be a hobby unto itself.:)

I just wanted to make sure you know what you're getting into. The Mosin usually isn't quite like buying a new rifle from the factory. However, the ones at Cabela's could be cleaned up and selected for you. Or not. Can you ask?

esmith
August 21, 2007, 05:15 PM
I can check the condition of them yes i suppose. What should I look for besides sharp rifling, pitting and rusting, etc.?

ArmedBear
August 21, 2007, 05:19 PM
Look at those sights! I wish I had done that on mine.

After the war, these rifles were re-arsenaled by the millions, by the finest Soviet communist laborers.

Also, the bolts can be really sloppy when you press down on them while they're closed, or they can be really tight. Every last bolt fits differently in the receiver, from what I've seen.

I used to think I knew what to look for, but now I'm not so sure. Someone else here might have the best idea of how to determine if the bolt fits right.

There is a serial number in several places, like the bolt, the receiver and the magazine baseplate. See that they all match, so that you're not getting something that was just stuck together from scrap.

cracked butt
August 21, 2007, 05:29 PM
$150 is way too much for a 91/30.

I recently got a Finn rearsenalled Tula Hex receiver 91/30 for less than that- delivered.

91/30s for 149.99 that mossy oak took and refurbished with a synthetic stock,

Cheapo synthetic stock by ATI most likely:barf:

ArmedBear
August 21, 2007, 05:32 PM
I recently got a Finn rearsenalled Tula Hex receiver 91/30 for less than that- delivered.

The guys who get excellent accuracy are often people who know what all that means, and why they would care. That's what I mean when I say it's really different from just buying a new rifle from Savage or something.:)

ECVMatt
August 21, 2007, 05:48 PM
They are great starter guns built on the Savage platform. I would suggest starting with a lighter caliber if all you want to do is target shoot. The .270 has a decent kick for a starter. I would look at a .223. They are extreamly accurate, have almost no recoil, and ammo is ussually pretty cheap compared to .270. If you think you might want to hunt with your rifle at some point in the future, you could get a .243. It is also light on the shoulder, but ammo is a bit more expensive than the .223.

I know that my post is a bit off topic, but I don't want a new shooter to get discouraged and quit the sport.

Hope this helps you out,

Matt

ArmedBear
August 21, 2007, 06:07 PM
I know that my post is a bit off topic, but I don't want a new shooter to get discouraged and quit the sport.


I don't think it's off-topic at all. My thoughts, exactly.

Sniper4Life
August 21, 2007, 09:35 PM
Its a sign from the great one above.....

Buy a savage... or stevens...

cracked butt
August 21, 2007, 09:43 PM
I third (or is it fourth now?) the Stevens 200. You get a lot of rifle for the price.

Bartkowski
August 22, 2007, 12:10 AM
There is a person up north of here in Zelienopole who has lots of Mil surp guns. I am going shooting with him soon, he will probably have some out with him and you could probably buy one from him very cheaply given that we are freinds.

rangerruck
August 22, 2007, 01:41 AM
the 91.30 with the sporter , shortened stock, is actually pretty good, especially look for one with matching numbers. proly unfired.

2RCO
August 22, 2007, 02:02 AM
I have a rearsenaled mosin that I paid $75 a few years ago that is a tack driver I was very pleased. Have a sniper that I have never shot as well knowing my luck the $800 sniper won't have the accuracy or its $75 buddy.

BAT1
September 12, 2007, 10:26 PM
I'll be the next guy to recommend the Stevens 200. Just took my new .308 to the range, and it got 1" groups! Forget the Mossberg ATR, let them work out the "new" problems. Stevens has been the Savage 110 action for years, and it is an outstanding value for me. Go put one on layaway for ninety days, and get a new accurate rifle. :D

esmith
September 12, 2007, 11:32 PM
I have already bought a m44 and i am very pleased. The best i have shot was 2 inch groups but im sure i could do better. I also refurbished the wood on it so it looks a lot nicer. This thread can be locked.

jpwilly
September 12, 2007, 11:37 PM
Why would you go to Cabelas for a Mossberg ATR that can be had at any Wal-Mart with a rifle case?

esmith
September 12, 2007, 11:38 PM
Because my wal marts do not carry guns. I am not driving out or three hours to get a gun that i dont even have money for.

jpwilly
September 12, 2007, 11:45 PM
Oh, good reason! Get an M44 and a pack of ammo then. Worry about scopes later. I put a scout mount on mine and then you don't need a bent bolt handle...you will need a long eye relief scope. NcStar scope will run $49 and mount $20.

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