"Trigger safety" NDs?


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Ragnar Danneskjold
August 22, 2007, 01:14 AM
Has anyone here ever had an AD/ND with a pistol that lacked a manual safety? IE: Glock, Sig, Walther P99, HK P2K, ect...

I think I may want a Walther P99, but I'm concerned about the trigger getting caught on something and it discharging. Yes, I would get a good holster that covered the trigger. I'm thinking a Galco Concealment holster.

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strat81
August 22, 2007, 01:18 AM
I had this issue when I first started carrying my Glock. I carried it without a round chambered. After carrying it that way for a while, and coming home to a trigger that wasn't touched, my mind was put at ease and I now carry with one in the pipe. I always use a holster.

BTW, my G26 has a New York trigger installed, just in case.

arthurcw
August 22, 2007, 01:28 AM
Has anyone here ever had an AD/ND with a pistol that lacked a manual safety? IE: Glock, Sig, Walther P99, HK P2K, ect...

Yes. And people have had them with SA guns and guns with Manual Safeties.

If you obey the rules, it will not happen.

Is it more likely with a DAO or Safe Action gun? If you are careless, then probably yes. But if you are that careless, that manual safety is not going to be your insurance against being a Darwin Award finalist.

I personally have never had an ND with any of my guns that do not have manual safeties. In fact NONE of my handguns have a manual safety. I do confess, however, to taking extra care while handling the Wife’s Glock. It never rides Mexican and is ALWAYS in a holster.

Now I just have to ask how long before this turns into a basher vs. fanboy thread?

Gary Frost
August 22, 2007, 02:10 AM
I carry a p99 around my place all the time. It has never been a problem if you get a quality holster and as always keep your finger out of the trigger guard when holstering. I always press the decocker when put on or remove this pistol.

Ragnar Danneskjold
August 22, 2007, 02:11 AM
Do you have a QA, AS, or DAO?

Jorg Nysgerrig
August 22, 2007, 02:45 AM
He's most likely got an AS. Pressing the decocker on a QA before holstering is a possibly fatal mistake on a carry gun and the P99 DA doesn't have a decocker. The P990 might have one, but it wouldn't do anything.

One thing about most of these pistols that lack a manual safety is that they have some sort of mechanism to reduce the chance of unintended discharges by snagging the trigger. This is usually some kind of hinged or two-piece arrangement that requires one to put pressure on the correct part of the trigger for it to start to move.

arthurcw
August 22, 2007, 03:08 AM
One thing about most of these pistols that lack a manual safety is that they have some sort of mechanism to reduce the chance of unintended discharges by snagging the trigger. This is usually some kind of hinged or two-piece arrangement that requires one to put pressure on the correct part of the trigger for it to start to move.

Very true. And for someone with small hands that can make an Intended Discharge more difficult as well. My wife's Glock requires that "dingus" to be hit with solid backward moving pressure. Hit it from the side and you are out of luck. Which is why I don't own a Glock. Nothing bad about them in general. It just doesn't fit my hand. When I have time to take an aimed shot, it's great. But from the draw it's just another thing I have to worry about getting right.

Other things that can prevent ND/AD on guns with no manual safety are a long and/or heavy trigger pull. My MK9 (DAO) is very long and somewhat heavy, but butter smooth. My P-3AT’s is very long and smooth, but not heavy at all.

strat81
August 22, 2007, 10:39 AM
Taurusowner, do you have these same concerns about carrying a DA revolver?

Mantua
August 22, 2007, 12:56 PM
Taurus, next time you have a Safety-less pistol in your hand, try this: Unload. Use a pen or a screwdriver, or even your house keys, and try pulling that trigger with that. You'd be surprised how difficult that trigger safety makes it for anything that's not a finger to pull the trigger.

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