Which CCW handgun in .45 ACP?


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pendentive
August 22, 2007, 10:16 PM
Which .45 ACP handgun will have the following:
(in no particular order)

- highly reliable/dependable
- lowest recoil
- most ammo - spare ammo included (within reason)
- easy reloading




Stuff I don't care about:
(not an obstacle)

- cost
- weight
- revolver vs. autoloader (both are fine)
- ease of concealing
- readiness to fire (I don't mind chambering or disengaging a safety, etc.)


Dan


p.s. I reserve the right to clarify any of the above that might be misleading. :D

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Jimmie
August 22, 2007, 10:24 PM
Glock 21, Sig 220, H&K USP, 1911, Ruger P90. Did I miss any? :neener:

average_shooter
August 22, 2007, 10:32 PM
Glock 21

I keep hearing good and bad about the G36 and generally good things about the G30 (though, admittedly, no personal experience with any of them... yet)

ETA: Ooops, you're looking for higher capacity, so yeah the 21.

Or the SA XD-45 or a double stack 1911A1.

ndolson
August 22, 2007, 10:34 PM
I have a kimber pro carry II with a 4" barrel. It's not as small as a sub compact glock, but it's slim and has pretty low recoil for being a .45 ACP. It won't be a summer carry gun for me, that's what the Glock 26 is for, but in the winter it will.

Plus 1911's are damn sexy.

scubie02
August 22, 2007, 10:35 PM
xd though a 1911 would be my choice and have low recoil

dpesec
August 22, 2007, 10:37 PM
I have both a Springer 1911 and a G21. I carry the G21. I have had sever FTF on the 1911, and 0 on the Glock. Case closed

Buzz
August 22, 2007, 10:40 PM
I have owned most of the popular .45 variants. I have a high opinion of the new XD 45 Compact. I've owned a Glock 21, 30, and 36. For me the XD just fits me better and I like the grip angle better.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f203/7x57/Guns%20and%20Hunting/Firearms/Handguns/XD45_Compact_Grip.jpg

Ala Dan
August 22, 2007, 10:45 PM
My vote goes to the SIG-Sauer .45 caliber P220A~! ;)

But, there are other good ones out there.

Joe Leland
August 22, 2007, 10:45 PM
Positive experiences with S&W 645 and 4506. Carried a Glock 30 for years. My brother carries either the Glock 21 or 30. You can't go wrong with a quality 1911A1. It depends on the action you are most comfortable with.

Ragnar Danneskjold
August 22, 2007, 10:48 PM
Taurus Millennium PT145. Or Springfield XD.

Mikhail Konovalov
August 22, 2007, 10:57 PM
A Para Ordnance P14-45 or CZ-97B would serve you well, methinks.

All-steel is good for the recoil, double stack mags are good for the capacity, they go bang when you pull the trigger, and I know the 97B is spooky accurate. The Para can be customized more, though.

orionengnr
August 22, 2007, 10:57 PM
I would recommend the Para P-14... 14+1 rounds of 45 acp, available in either conventional 1911 single action or Para's very user-friendly LDA.
It is my choice for nightstand gun.

For CCW, I have other priorities, while retaining the same choice of caliber. If you want to discuss those, that is for another post. :)

rantingredneck
August 22, 2007, 10:57 PM
Ruger P345

Let's do the rundown on the important stuff:


- highly reliable/dependable
Legendary Ruger Reliability
- lowest recoil
Has a recoil dampening double spring system. This is the absolute softest shooting .45 I've ever shot. More so even than the P90 which is much heavier.
- most ammo - spare ammo included (within reason)
8+1 capacity. Extra mags aren't expensive and are easy to carry (nice and flat)
- easy reloading
Easy as any bottomfeeder


As to the stuff that isn't a dealbreaker for you:

- cost
About 425.00 around here.
- weight
29 oz unloaded and slim to boot-
revolver vs. autoloader (both are fine)
Self explanatory
- ease of concealing
I carry mine under an untucked shirt with no problems whatsoever. Nice and thin
- readiness to fire (I don't mind chambering or disengaging a safety, etc.)
Available in manual safety or decock only versions (for now)

Vanzpp
August 22, 2007, 11:04 PM
Glock 36

Guido2006
August 22, 2007, 11:13 PM
Second the XD45 compact.

Carry the 10-round mags if you want to conceal, 13-round mags if you need the extra capacity. I find the longer mags slightly more comfortable to shoot at the range though I practice with the 10 also.

I carry IWB with an Uncle Mikes Neoprene Holster ($15 at Sports Authority). Relatively easy to conceal with a loose tshirt or polo shirt when carried at at the 5 o'clock position with the grip angle flush with my back. The Blackhawk Serpa CQC holster is also very nice and secure if you carry OWB.

Ragnar Danneskjold
August 22, 2007, 11:14 PM
rantingredneck, I own a P345, and carried as my CCW for a number of months before I got my MilPro. The P345 is a great choice for CCW.

3006mv
August 22, 2007, 11:35 PM
Bersa 45, SW 325PD

markk
August 22, 2007, 11:39 PM
Glock 30

Hunter0924
August 23, 2007, 02:49 AM
Colt New Agent.

bakert
August 23, 2007, 09:54 AM
For concealed carry, the Ruger P97 fit's my need pretty well. Reliable and more accurate than I can shoot.

whitebb
August 23, 2007, 10:13 AM
Smith CS45. Light weight, accurate, reliable, small and easily carried. Only flaw is it kicks alittle more than others because of its light weight and 3" barrel.
I would post other side pic but need to remove serial number from shot.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q34/whitebb_2006/S5030362.jpg

Thaddeus Jones
August 23, 2007, 10:37 AM
S&W 457. Fits all the listed criteria. I love mine. Light weight, reliable, concealable, accurate, and can be found used for cheap.

Tom Krein
August 23, 2007, 10:45 AM
I would vote for a Glock 21, based on what you specified....

I would send it to Bowie Tactical and have the grip frame reduced and have it worked over...


IF you don't care for the polymer framed guns and want HIGH capacity I would vote for the Para P14. In 1911's

I personally prefer single stack 1911's and I would recommend the Les Baer Thunder Ranch Special.

Tom

Deanimator
August 23, 2007, 11:19 AM
Springfield MicroCompact. Great gun, especially with the Aguila 117gr. IQs.

springmom
August 23, 2007, 11:24 AM
XD-45, Kimber Ultra Carry II. Springfield full sized 1911's. The only trick with the 1911 is learning to reassemble it. Once you learn how to hold your teeth right at just the right moment, though, it's easy (says the woman who was on line a dozen times whining about this when she first got her Kimber :rolleyes::o)

Springmom

DogBonz
August 23, 2007, 11:30 AM
I would go with the HK USP45. I love mine. It has been dead reliable and very accurate for almost 10k rounds.

If you go the single stack route, I would obviously look at a good 1911, but you may want to seriously consider the SIG 220.

MillerTimeLV
August 23, 2007, 07:25 PM
Glock 30 with mag extensions. Try the XD and the Sig though as well. All 3 are good guns, but you need to check the feel and the sights on each one for yourself.

kd7nqb
August 23, 2007, 07:50 PM
We are missing one, I say S&W M&P. Thats my current favorite gun on earth but had you asked me 2wks ago I would have said and XD.

03Shadowbob
August 23, 2007, 09:01 PM
The next compact .45 I am going to buy is the Glock 30 or 36. I was looking at the PT145 very hard but since my recoil spring assembly shot through the front of my PT140MilPro I have almost no confidence in the Taurus. If you would have asked me a week ago I would have told you the Taurus.
I have come to this conclusion. Your carry gun should be dead reliable and if it's pretty then it's a plus but that should be the least of my concerns. Pretty is for range guns and safe queens. Just my .02
And guys, I am not bashing Taurus. I have had more than my share of Taurus pistols over the years and enjoyed them all however for a CCW it's a little more important for me to have something i trust completely.

RonE
August 23, 2007, 09:12 PM
Government issue M-1911 or M-1911A1

Don't worry about accuracy, if you need to use it, you will most likely be less than 10 feet from your target.

doubleg
August 23, 2007, 09:13 PM
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x318/dg14008/150124_large.jpg

S&W Model 25 3" .45 ACP

Hypnogator
August 23, 2007, 11:52 PM
Another vote for the Taurus PT-145 Millennium Pro.

Katana8869
August 24, 2007, 01:38 AM
My favorite .45's, all of which I own, in order:

S&W 1911PD Commander
Springfield XD45C
Glock 30
Springfield 1911A1 Loaded Combat

I no longer own my PT145, but it is probably the best value for the money out there. You really get alot of gun for what you pay for it.

Mine had a few magazine issues and a friend of mine ended up buying it. It is now his CCW pistol and he takes great pleasure in waving under my nose how much he has enjoyed it every time I see him! :uhoh: :banghead:

Sir Aardvark
August 24, 2007, 01:41 AM
I have a Glock 30 - I love it!

Deanimator
August 24, 2007, 10:14 AM
S&W Model 25 3" .45 ACP

I'd NEVER trust my life to an S&W revolver with a lock. They have a documented history of malfunctions.

cousinelmer1
August 24, 2007, 10:31 AM
How about one without the lock?

Like this maybe?
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b28/cousinelmer1/625012.jpg

JoeHatley
August 24, 2007, 11:39 AM
325PD

http://www.iowatelecom.net/~hatley/325pd_l.jpg

Joe

JLStorm
August 24, 2007, 11:44 AM
Recoil - HK USP full size, their proprietary recoil system really is amazing. Magazine capacity - USP full size is 12, I think the XD has more capacity though, someone correct me if I am wrong
Ease of Reloading - For carry gun, I would not got with HK if you carry another brand simply because there magazine release is different and while it works really well, if you are used to a standard magazine release, chances are in the heat of the moment you could confuse yourself.


I have to tell you though....saying you dont care about size, weight, or ease of concealing sounds like you havent tried concealing something with a large size, heavy weight, or that doesnt conceal well...I dont mean to offend you, but something there just doesnt sound right.

gp911
August 24, 2007, 01:20 PM
I like my new Glock 21SF, the grip feels a lot like a Glock 22. You'd want to handle one before you buy, as some people dislike the ambidextrous safety, and if you end up with the picatinny rail your holster selection is lessened somewhat. I shot a G30 and G36, both fit me well and were accurate, so if you don't mind losing a little capacity they are more easily concealable than a full size. The full size fits 13+1.

If you prefer hi-cap 1911s the Para models are very nice.

There are several excellent guns that fit your criteria, try a bunch of them, then make your decision. The one I've heard the most rave reviews about is the Glock 30.


gp911

pendentive
August 24, 2007, 05:08 PM
have to tell you though....saying you dont care about size, weight, or ease of concealing sounds like you havent tried concealing something with a large size, heavy weight, or that doesnt conceal well...I dont mean to offend you, but something there just doesnt sound right.


No offense....just had to pick my priorities....of course, I don't want to CCW a brick....but being of large size....a pound difference is tolerable to me. The other things are more important than the weight/size.

Also...I might get several....a small one, medium...large....then rotate them according to needs/dress/situation.

It's not that I don't care about weight...as much as it's not the topmost factor. Make sense?

Tacticaldude
August 24, 2007, 05:49 PM
GLOCK 30 .
* You can use the G21 mag by using an adapter(forgot the name? I think it starts with A & something?) and if all else fail get the Scherer metal lined Glock .45 mag 30rnders for gang elimination:D.
* The new G30 model got those rail now for light or light/laser(I recommend TLR1, TLR2 or M6x) for nightime encounter/search.;)

GoodLuck on the search..
:cool:

SigfanUSAF
August 24, 2007, 06:54 PM
Since I've been old enough to carry, and as far as I can see into the future, its been my 1990 Sig Sauer P220 American.

No hiccups, and the only thing other cleaning it after every range trip that I've done in 7 years is replace the recoil spring and I bought one of those new "higher cap" 8 round mags.

Cumulatively, I'd say I have close to 5,000 rounds through it, lord knows how many it threw down range in the 10 years prior.

As to the need for more than 9 rounds (plus 2 more 7 rounders at times) of 45acp for CCW, I'm sure I'd be dead before I got to the 7th or 8th shot.

camslam
August 24, 2007, 09:24 PM
Glock 30. You can go with the 10+1 or 13+1. Extremely reliable, small enough to conceal, and can't beat it for the accuracy, recoil, and money.

I also have the Glock 21, but that is by the bed for things that go bump in the night.

Geno
August 24, 2007, 09:36 PM
1) Colt Series 70 Reissue
2) Colt WWI Reissue
3) Colt XSE Commander
4a & b) SA-XD 45ACP (full-size) or Glock 21 (SA)

bluetopper
August 24, 2007, 11:29 PM
This one suits me in every way...........
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o182/bendebval/taurus45snubbie1.jpg
Just need to find me some nice wood grips.

mballai
August 24, 2007, 11:45 PM
I recommend a Commander size 1911. There really is nothing better than that.

scubie02
August 25, 2007, 12:02 AM
I have both a Springer 1911 and a G21. I carry the G21. I have had sever FTF on the 1911, and 0 on the Glock. Case closed

except I own 4 1911's at the moment that I have never had a failure with, and have sold several others that were reliable as well, and I am sure there is SOMEBODY out there who has had a bad experience with the Glock and would say "carry the 1911, case closed!" ;)

but he said he wanted higher capacity, which is why as much as I PERSONALLY feel the 1911 is the way to go for 45 acp, the XD is the way to go given his wants. Nothing wrong with a glock per se, but the xd has ergonomics/grip angle more likely to suit more people I think.

Try em both though and see--the glock will either seem perfect or horrible when it comes to grip angle. If it feels great go with it, because it's different than most anything else in that regard.

nick8180
August 25, 2007, 12:25 AM
glock 36

Hunter0924
August 25, 2007, 12:27 AM
If you are having FTFs with your Government Model something is amiss. I would suggest having your pistol examined by a gunsmith.

dstorm1911
August 25, 2007, 01:51 AM
+1 for the Taurus Millpro PT145, I have alot of choices and thats the one that I never have to think about, its always ready to go matched to a Glock 36 paddle holster (remove the tension screw completally and the light rail will fit no problem) its more compact than the XD 45 compact its carryin 10 rnds versus 6 for most 1911 compact clones, mine is the super smooth DOA totally safe with one in the tube (actually dropped it at 80 mph from the Harley on I-10 and no boom plus the gun still functions perfectly today) or ya have the option of a manual safty if ya wish, very low recoil and grip is only very slightly larger than its 9 mm or .40 S&W counterpart, very usable sights.....

It is the perfect CCW compact and the newest version gives ya DA/SA capability however I really like this ones DAO trigger it feels exactly like my S&W Mod 66 .357 (66-1) very smooth not heavy at all breaks right at 8 lbs I like em so much I've bought 3 of em!!

Edit: BTW Ya can swap the mag latch to either side to suit as well ;) here are a couple pics of one of em

jpwilly
August 25, 2007, 02:02 AM
Taurus Mil Pro PT145 IWB holster works great for me. SA/DA trigger! Heinie Straight 8sights are nice too but I'd pony up for night sights if I did it again. Today I had my PT1911 with me but the extended beavertail ISN'T/WASN'T comfortable sticking into my hip! Also, 10+1 rnds of 45ACP is very very comforting.

Stevie-Ray
August 25, 2007, 02:33 AM
Kimber Ultra CDP. Recoil is surprisingly less than the HKUSP45C also in the pic. At least for me it is.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/GitchiManitou/100_0231.jpg?t=1188019523

BadWolf
August 25, 2007, 02:35 AM
Sig P220R Carry SAO

any Quality 1911

Glock 21SF

HK USP 45

swingpress
August 25, 2007, 02:45 AM
S&W 625 in 4 inch. The revolver is outstanding and it's easy to carry a spare moon clip or 2. I'm most likely to carry extra ammo is when I'm packing the 625.

Euclidean
August 25, 2007, 03:29 AM
http://i5.tinypic.com/25qdwg9.jpg

81k5guy
August 25, 2007, 01:12 PM
Another vote for the P345

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r98/81k5guy/100_0208.jpg

comeandtakeit
August 26, 2007, 07:01 PM
If size and cost don't matter then the only choices would be a Mark 23 or USP Tactical.

Choclabman
August 26, 2007, 07:07 PM
CCW .45ACP?

1.5" 1911

2.Sig P220 Carry

3. HK USP .45c

4.G30

These would be my top pick's. From a personal view, the Colt 1911 XSE is my CCW.

1911RjB
August 26, 2007, 09:14 PM
The XD .45 is a grreat gun, i've shot a few, and for the price with all the XD gear it comes with now, its a great deal.

Lonestar49
August 27, 2007, 12:43 AM
Quote: Which .45 ACP handgun will have the following:
(in no particular order)

- highly reliable/dependable
- lowest recoil
- most ammo - spare ammo included (within reason)
- easy reloading




Stuff I don't care about:
(not an obstacle)

- cost
- weight
- revolver vs. autoloader (both are fine)
- ease of concealing
- readiness to fire (I don't mind chambering or disengaging a safety, etc.)
-------------------------------------------------
...

Sig P220 Carry or full size

Comes with two 8 round magazines and one 10 round magazine

Comes with Night Sights, glow 24/7 for some 8yrs..

Easiest gun to disassemble, inspect, clean, and reassemble, out there.

Accurate out of the box, on the money, and least amount of recoil, smooth firing guns.

DA/SA, allowing you to have one chambered, but hammer can be seen down, and requires a 10.5 lb full pull to fire, or you can manually thumb-cock the hammer putting it into SA mode and only requires a 4.5 lb pull.

Easy to load, yep.

No safety (a good thing) but has a "frame mounted decocker-only", that allows you to decock the gun out of SA mode, back into DA mode, without compromising your proper 2-hand grip.

Dependable, oh yes, reliable, oh yes, fires anything you put in it, oh yes, every time.

Either gun, ccw if needed, medium in weight, great for ease of point to aim.

http://www.sigarms.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=37&productid=149

http://www.sigarms.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=6&productid=94


LS

TheKnight
August 27, 2007, 04:28 AM
I had choosen the G36, There is nothing wrong with the other ones listed, in fact those that I have fired, did very well.
It ended up coming down to I really like the glock style.

I would also pick the Sig, the HK, it is just personal preference, but as far as performance, accuracy, reliablity...The others ones listed do the job.

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