Have you had an ND


Bazooka Joe71
August 23, 2007, 01:51 AM
Seems lately I've been reading alot of ND stories on here. Its not a huge population of people here on THR, but a decent amount of gun owners to get an OK survey to see some percentages.

Who here has had an ND?

Feel free to explain if you would like...If not thats OK too, its a private poll.

I haven't BTW.

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August 23, 2007, 01:53 AM
I don't see a poll yet but no I haven't. And I don't like the mentality by some that it's only a matter of time for us all. Every time the gun leaves or enters my hand the chamber is checked. Maybe I'm home alone dry firing, I get up, grab a drink. When I sit back down I check that chamber no matter what. If you follow the rules each and every second and only handle a gun when you are fully alert and aware then you shouldn't have an ND.

Bazooka Joe71
August 23, 2007, 01:55 AM
Mod's, can you please remove the "AD" from my title please.


I'll just focus on the ND's

I don't like the mentality by some that it's only a matter of time for us all


August 23, 2007, 02:02 AM
NO, and I don't plan to.

August 23, 2007, 02:30 AM
Nope. I've never had one.. and I don't plan on it. I've seen a couple happen though.

August 23, 2007, 03:00 AM
Does one with an airsoft-pistol count?:o

Bazooka Joe71
August 23, 2007, 03:15 AM
Nope. I've never had one.. and I don't plan on it. I've seen a couple happen though.

Please elaborate if you don't mind...Just for educational purposes.:D

Does one with an airsoft-pistol count?

Welllllll, I guess this one can slide as long as nobody's eyes were shot out.:D

Old Dog
August 23, 2007, 03:18 AM
NO, and I don't plan to.
I've never had one.. and I don't plan on it.
Not to make light of these statements, but I'm pretty sure no shooter ever plans to have an ND.

I'm gonna speak up, since I pretty much know few others will have the cojones to 'fess up to having had an ND.

I'd bet paychecks Jeff Cooper didn't plan to have his ND -- which he was man enough to admit to. I didn't plan to have mine, either. In fact, I'd have preferred that it never happened. However, I learned from the event. I used to think I was perfect when it came to firearms safety, too.

Every time this topic comes up (which seems quite often lately), the self-righteous perfectionists among us are gonna pontificate on exactly why they will never experience one of these events. Good for them.

I've been a gun owner and a shooter since 1966. I've lived around guns all my life, worked with them or carried them almost daily during my adult years as part of my jobs. One evening, many years ago, after a couple of beers , I picked up one of my wife's pistols (yes, an egregious error in judgement), which I just knew was unloaded (since she didn't typically keep this particular piece loaded). The pistol was her new Walther PPK/S, which I thought was pretty cool, and was in need of some dry-firing ... It was, in fact, loaded. A .380 ACP JHP went into our bedroom ceiling. A bit of lightweight spackle and some paint fixed the hole. My pride was another story. But, I learned from this. No, I don't believe that NDs will happen to everyone at some point. But I do believe that they can happen to anyone.

I didn't think I'd ever have one either.

If you follow the rules each and every second and only handle a gun when you are fully alert and aware then you shouldn't have an ND.It must be great to go through life being fully alert and aware each and every second. Regrettably, in my fifty years, I've not been able to achieve this zen-like state of continuous awareness and constant alertness. Sigh.

August 23, 2007, 03:42 AM
Had my one and only ND when out hunting with my father when i was around 14 or so. had my shotgun loaded with one in the chamber and the safety on and finger off the trigger when i tripped on a large stick hidden under the leaves. somehow as i fell my hand hit the safety off and the gun fired when it hit the ground even though it was nowhere near my hand and in fact a few feet ahead of me. Luckily my father was off to my left when it happened so nobody was hurt but it sure did scare me really bad.

Bazooka Joe71
August 23, 2007, 03:46 AM
But, I learned from this

Besides the survey, this is another reason for starting this thread...To learn from each others mistakes. Monetary possessions(i.e. ceilings, walls, etc.) can be replaced, people cannot. Learning from people's mistakes can help us all appreciate gun safety even more.

Old dog,

Thank you for having the "cojones" to fess up to your ND...I bet after that instance, a "few" beers or not, you check your guns a couple extra times before having some dry fire fun.:D


Thats one of those in the "grey" area, more like a UD...Its not like your saftey(brain) wasn't functioning correctly, you just tripped.

Standing Wolf
August 23, 2007, 05:20 AM
Speaking strictly as a guy who teaches people how to shoot safely: I've never had a negligent discharge, and intend never to have one.

August 23, 2007, 06:38 AM
ANYTIME I pick up a firearm, begin to clean a firearm, touch or adjust my CCW piece, clean or dry fire, etc. I always remember what I read about on this and other boards and reflect upon my past actions regarding ND's. I am now anal about it.

When I first started shooting I had two ND's. One at the indoor range (shot ceiling) and once at the outdoor range (shot nothing).

This was when I was VERY new. Thank God each time the firearm was pointed in a safe direction.

In a way, I'm glad I had them and that all turned out well.

It put the fear of God into me. It can happen when you least expect it.

I got off cheap. These were lessons that will stick with me forever.

August 23, 2007, 11:00 AM
Yep, just when you think you are safe 'Murphy' will get you. Mine was my fault but 'Murphy' helped.

Had just got back from the range where I had been shooting my High-Standard .22. HAd been having jams off and on so I took it out of the bag and even though I had cleared it at the range, I dropped the mag and pulled back the slide to visually check the chamber. No round in the chamber, so slide down, hammer down,,,,,,,,bang!! In the floor , no damage.

Later inspection showed the ejector broken and the extractor was strong enough to hold a shell to the breech face. With the muzzle down it was not visable but the chamber was obviously empty. Hello 'Murphy'. Now I'm paranoid about checking the entire chamber area.

No mater how positive you are about safety, "Murphy" is out there !

August 23, 2007, 11:06 AM
My trusty P22 tricked me with the DA/SA first time I shot it. Nobody was injured, but could have been, it was a matter of luck that my ND went downrange. Almost shot my buddy Zach in the belly 20 miles from a paved road.

There's not too much shame in it for me (I learned), hopefully it will reinforce the tired old four rules to a new shooter.

August 23, 2007, 11:32 AM
None for me.
The other evening, I was putting away the G19 after the evening walk and I heard my wife say "Oh, you check three times too?" (to be sure chamber is clear) As we all know, the firearm can not be made to fire if there are no bullets inside.
That said, picking up and putting away a firearm are only a small percentage of the times when we must keep safety in mind. What we do with the firearm from the time it is loaded till it is unloaded will affect the chances for an ND as well. Just because I check that thing three times before I put it away, doesn't make me a "safe gun owner". I carry daily, and I must keep that thought process going at all times when a firearm is under my control.

I hope that made sense!

August 23, 2007, 11:43 AM
Guess I'll have to echo Old Dog.


August 23, 2007, 11:44 AM
Yes, I have had two, both when I was much younger (12 or so). The first time, I was out shooting squirrels with my brother and father and I thought that I had run out of ammo in my old tube fed bolt action .22. Turns out it wasn't empty. Thankfully, I had the gun pointing in a safe direction so nobody was hurt. I sure got an ass chewing from my father, though.

The other time I was (again) out shooting with my brother and father, and I was attempting to slowly let the hammer down on a cocked lever action .22 in order to put it on safe (it had no other safety besides the half cock hammer safety). As I was letting the hammer down, it slipped out from under my thumb and hit the firing pin. Again, nobody was hurt because I was pointing gun was pointing in a safe direction. I also got a butt chewing for that one.

Haven't had one since, almost a decade later. And I don't plan on ever doing it again.

August 23, 2007, 11:57 AM
Well, that hole in my back porch doesn't tell any lies!

Here's the thread :http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=226289&page=4

August 23, 2007, 12:03 PM
Nope. I've never had one.. and I don't plan on it.

I think that is the correct mindset to avoid one. If you think "someday it will happen" then it will. The best safety a firearm has is between the ears of the person holding it. Convince yourself you aren't going to have a ND and then DON'T.
Convince yourself you might and you WILL.

I haven't had a ND, either, but have seen one at the range. Pretty scary stuff.
It was my buddy, I was letting him shoot a 2" Taurus 605, he shot 4, cocked the hammer for #5 and dropped muzzle to table, finger on trigger and whoops, nice 357 cal hole in range table.
I saw him do it and I took a half step back before he dropped the hammer, I know it happened fast, but looked very slow from memory. I didn't have time to say anything.
No injuries, except his pride. He spent the rest of the afternoon w/his head down, red faced, and appologizing. Apparently his "First Time". He didn't pick that gun up again.

August 23, 2007, 12:04 PM
I have not personally had one. But when I was 14 yrs old, I was at the receiving end of one as I have posted here before...

I Have


been shot in my shoulder and neck (same round deflected off of shoulder) with a .25acp... My brother was improperly handling a pistol when we were teens. The round lodged against my spine which was removed surgically, and my arm was paralyzed and I had a year of physical therapy to learn how to use my arm again. The round also pierced the main artery in my neck and I lost a lot of blood and went into shock...

Wild Deuce
August 23, 2007, 12:09 PM

However, I took my son to the range where we had fun plinking with his Marlin. Three days later we decided to clean the rifle. As is customary, I took the rifle out, pointed it in our usual safe direction (concrete walled crawl space full of cardboard boxes) and opened the action ..... plop. .22LR round lands on the carpet. We stared at it for a second or two and then sat down on the spot to figure out where we screwed up. Before we cleaned the rifle, we removed and cleared every firearm in the safe.

Having experienced that, I would have to agree with Old Dog.

I don't intend to have a ND just like I didn't intend to leave a live round in the rifle, or don't intend to get in an accident, or slip on the ice, or fall down the stairs, or ......

My experience made me realize that I am human and I am more careful because of it.

August 23, 2007, 12:23 PM
Yep. It's chronicled here on THR...


robert garner
August 23, 2007, 01:30 PM
Not me,I've three myself.
1) First outing with a new to me Virginian Dragoon 44. Missed Op at ole brer Rabbit. Dontcha LUV SA's their so tactile; thumb for this anna finger for that ,a good grip and a quick eye! The Kidd aint got nothin on me,cause I am the Man!
The hammer is shaped to wrap your thumb around it for controll,I am in controll no fool here,hey I've only five beans in the wheel couse thats the way this'n works.Course you remember mr.rabbit? that beans now under the pointy part of the hammer,pistols on its way from a dead level to a living perpindicular (sp? just looks funny) headin for its home when not in the hand POW
missed my little toe by(-) this much!
2)Ruger SBH 10" special ordered first bonafied NEW pistol,Western rigged holster too! Course thats what a quick draw like me Needed! Dry fired it for days on end,till got the chance for some range time.Had opted for 180's (they STUNG!)
got home cleaned and re-loaded put up,cool!
Next range trip loaded guns NOT ALLOWED off the line right? Thats the same everywhere,aint it?
Got my stuff laid out on the bench,range is hotbut no target set up good time to dry fire....POW no glasses no muffs (no harm no foul right) WRONG!
I knew, tho it was a looooong time before it really hit home Tachy what?
Before i could lay it down there was no blood in my head my stomach was in a knot and I knew exactly how guns don't kill,UNLOADED GUNS KILL!
If there is a Psycho babbler fixer here,maybe he can tell you why this bothered me more,and still does, than incident 1)? The Colonel sayeth there is no sound more frightening than a click when you want a boom,I think only if your facing one of the Big Five, or a perp yeah maybe.
3)1897 winchester pump,buddy comes over,"Hey,this your new gun?"
Yeah but I need to show you how she works its a real old style, Its loaded don't touch!
Note: this may have been a true AD instead of,but I DON'T ACCEPT AD's,so it was negligent.
There is a button on the side of the action so's you can work the shells out without releasing the hammer(maybe this failed?) maybe my finger slipped,don't know to this day,too fast too disquieting,but the chandelier is on the floor,and my 8 mos pregnant wife arises from the couch,and with a single word,rhymes with bass,calls me a Hillary(Brer Jimmy was in office) leaves the room.Don't Trust Safeties!!!!
I confess the above for those who would learn from my poor example.
Maybe it will save just one person the embarrasment I have endured,after all it's for the chillrun!
Hubris...if ya got it lose it, I don't suffer from it if i did I should be ded ded ded

Bob M.
August 23, 2007, 01:54 PM
Well, Im 51 now and been shooting since I was 17 and never had an ND.
I have, however, had a slam fire with a Charter Arms AR-7 .22 cal. survival
rifle after a whole brick of Remington Golden bullet (dirty stuff) ammo.

The action was so caked up with soot that it stuck the firing pin in the
forward position and when I released the charging handle after loading
a fresh mag, it fired.

The round went into the ground approximately 3-4 feet in front of me in the
downrange direction. Following one of the four rules there kept it from being
a potentionally painful or tragic ending to a fun day at the range.

While at that same range on a different day, the range owner was telling me about
a fellow a week before that was practicing quick drawing from an open holster and blew a
.38 Cal. wad cutter straight down his right leg and through his ankle bone.:eek:

He said that the gun had hung up on his holster somehow and apparently
his finger was on the trigger and lit one off...Ambulance/Police to the
range. He said the guy was screaming in pain. No surprise there.

Obviously violated one of the 4 rules. keep that finger off the trigger
until pointed in a safe direction.

Bob M.

August 23, 2007, 01:55 PM

Ghost Tracker
August 23, 2007, 01:58 PM
Yep! Complete stupidity on my part. Showing-off indoors to a friend how the mag-safety on my new Ruger P345 worked. Shot dead-center through the Cherrywood bed post and into the wall. First ND in almost 40 years of dedicated gun handling. My ears hurt almost as much as my pride. Never felt so foolish. GREAT lesson I hope I NEVER forget!

The two loudest sounds in the world are; a BOOM when you expect a click, and a CLICK when you expect a boom.

August 23, 2007, 02:08 PM
Yup but I was 12 --I've learned a little since then. It was hammer down on a .22 Browning Lever gun with one in the chamber, missed my best friends foot by half an inch. That'll teach you!

Harry Paget Flashman
August 23, 2007, 02:09 PM
~1972 I was demonstrating to a friend how I could field strip a Browning Hi-Power with my eyes closed. I did it quickly and with my eyes still closed I reassembled it, pointed it toward the ceiling and said, "See!", pulled the trigger and "Boom!", put a round through his apartment ceiling. Fortunately we were on the top floor. He was moving out the next day and we puttied the hole with Bisquick dough. Alcohol was involved. It wasn't my proudest moment. Haven't had a drop since September 19th, 1978.

August 23, 2007, 02:12 PM
Yes. Negligently, hurriedly clearing a semi-auto.

Racked it to clear the chamber BEFORE removing the mag.

Did not ask myself why the slide did not lock open.

It was pointed in a safe direction, but no excuses here - I dropped the hammer without checking the chamber because I thought I'd cleared it. :uhoh:

I'm (hopefully) older AND wiser now.

August 23, 2007, 02:15 PM
Not me, but my son did. It's chronicled somewhere here. I have partial responsibility for it, for handing him a shotgun that we both thought was unloaded. Still it WAS him who racked the slide and pulled the trigger. In my bathroom....

I have never yet patched that hole. I leave for him as a reminder...and for me too. When he moves out eventually, then I'll fix it. Until then it stays.

Because he was pointing it up in the air, the only thing that got hurt was the ceiling and the roof. Insulation and roofing shingle bits ended up over on the neighbor's roof. Talk about embarrassing....

ETA: by the way, I am here to tell you that a 12 gauge going off in a small enclosed space is loud.


El Tejon
August 23, 2007, 02:18 PM
This is probably more of an AD, but my actions contributed to it.

It was summer of 1989 or 1990, I cannot remember, very old Stevens bolt action .22. Looking back it was unsafe to shoot as it had be shot to pieces.

I remember I had the bolt stuck back somehow and used a kung fu grip on the bolt handle and willed the bolt forward--the rifle discharged at about a 30 degree angle upward. Thank goodness muzzle was downrange, thank goodness I remembered Rule #2, thank goodness for one hundred things.

To this day when I handle firearms I still remember the feeling of a firearm discharging when I did not want it to fire. No wonder I am a safety Nazi.:uhoh:

August 23, 2007, 02:59 PM
Quick question:
I've had this happen to me but I wouldn't call it an ND, since my gun was pointed downrange and I was still in the friring position and I pulled the trigger, planning to dryfire (I like to store the rifle with the hammer down) as I was about to put the rifle away. I guess it could be considered an 'accidental' discharge, since I was not expecting there to be a round in it, but it wasn't really an accident. The only difference between than and actually intentionally shooting the gun was that I wasn't really looking at the sights or aiming at anything particular.

Would you call that an ND?

If yes then I'm guilty. I never broke any of the four rules though.

August 23, 2007, 03:20 PM
No. I always remove the bolt, for a bolt action, or open the bolt on the lever action guns before I pick them up. When I close the lever actions, I always cycle it 3 times. Before I put the bolt back in, I look down the barrel from the butt end to make sure I can see through it. If the bolt is out, the is very little chance the gun is going to fire. Keeping the finger off the trigger will greatly reduce the chance of a gun firing. As for my defensive guns, my AR-15 is stored with a loaded mag in the well, and the bolt closed on an empty chamber. Before I even touch the gun, I remove the magazine, then I open the bolt. I then pick it up and immediately break it down to upper and lower receiver. When I am done with it, I make sure the bolt is close on in empty chamber, then I put the mag back in the well. For my Glock, it is loaded, it stays in its holster, and I DO NOT touch it at all unless someone kicks my door in. There is absolutely no dry firing aloud in my house. Make time to go to the range for that, I sure do. I also do not sit there and play with my guns. Only time they come out is to be cleaned, and I break them down for that, or to go to the range. Again, broken down.

August 23, 2007, 03:29 PM
but it wasn't really an accident. The only difference between than and actually intentionally shooting the gun was that I wasn't really looking at the sights or aiming at anything particular.

Would you call that an ND?

I would, yes. If you didn't intend to send a round downrange, and you did it because of something other than mechanical failure, then yeah, it is.

But as ND's go, yours was on the safer end of the spectrum. :)


August 23, 2007, 03:31 PM
Yup, I've had. Kept my finger on trigger while loading up a magazine.

Thank goodness the gun was directed down range.

August 23, 2007, 03:48 PM
No haven't had one.

Pistol range in the army saw a LT shot the ground when he was supposedly checking the chamber, how he was checking I dunno Thanks God nobody got hurt, range control kick him out though :D

25 Pdr
August 23, 2007, 03:55 PM
Picked up a SMLE Mk1 in 0.410 Ga Took it home and not having any empty 410 cases at hand found some (empty?) 45 Colt cases that had been left over since the handgun ban here in the UK. Since they all were empty I proceeded to load one in the SMLE to try the action, pulled the trigger and BANG!

I forgot that I had homeloaded some blackpowder blanks for my Ruger Blackhawk many years ago, and there was one left among the empty cases.

They had been sealed with candle wax which made a reasonable dent in the brick wall. The gun was of course pointed in a safe direction although she who must be obeyed was not amused!!!

I guess that most of us will have a ND at some time and firmly believe in never pointing at anything you don't want to shoot.

Had a friend years ago who made a habit of dry firing a target placed on the end of his wifes clothes wardrobe..........you guessed it..........right through ALL her clothes.

Brad Johnson
August 23, 2007, 03:56 PM
NO, and I don't plan to.

Neither did I, but it happened. Put it right here on THR for all to see. Even bumped it a couple times in the hopes that others might see it and learn from my mistake.


August 23, 2007, 03:57 PM

August 23, 2007, 03:58 PM
I hate to even vote. I feel like I might be jinxing myself.

Average Guy
August 23, 2007, 03:59 PM
No, but I've been within 10 feet of three. That's three too many.

Bazooka Joe71
August 23, 2007, 05:07 PM
Wow, 38% ND's so far...Thats higher than I expected.

But with as many old fogies on here that have been shooting for 50 years, its bound to happen to some.:D

Brad J,

Neither did I, but it happened. Put it right here on THR for all to see. Even bumped it a couple times in the hopes that others might see it and learn from my mistake.

Would you mind posting the link?


I hate to even vote. I feel like I might be jinxing myself.

Just knock on some wood after voting and you'll be find :D

Brad Johnson
August 23, 2007, 05:27 PM
Brad J,

Neither did I, but it happened. Put it right here on THR for all to see. Even bumped it a couple times in the hopes that others might see it and learn from my mistake.

Would you mind posting the link?



August 23, 2007, 07:55 PM
Lucky I didn't shoot myself and learned a lesson.

August 24, 2007, 01:15 AM
I have already posted my AD, ND or SD experience. It is probably a better idea to expect one rather than not to expect one. If you do expect one then hopefully that means that your muzzle is always pointed at something you can destroy and go on with life without skipping a beat.

Reading some of these stories jarred a memory of the most frightening ND experience I experienced. A Lcpl dumped a burst of M60 rounds at zero dark thirty after recovering from a SCUD alarm. The SOP was that with a SCUD alarm one squad stayed in fighting positions while two squads went into an underground bunker for protection. The Lcpl that had the ND tore off the belt from the M60 rather than opening the feed tray and completely making the weapon safe before moving to the bunker which was packed like a sardine can. Nerves, adrenaline or fatigue could have contributed to the stupidity. A tragedy was avoided only due to luck because one round of 7.62 would have taken down 3 or 4 Marines never mind what the effects of a single burst would have done. An M60 can also slam fire if dropped hard. On the sound of the M60 burst two squads started moving in a tactical manner back to fighting positions thinking, "Here they come". About a minute later the skipper voiced an all clear command and anyone within a 300m radius could hear him dressing the Lcpl. up, down, sideways and over. The Lcpl. was busy until after 13:00 the same day working hard without a break digging a regulation size grave with an e-tool in the sand.

August 24, 2007, 01:43 AM
I hate to even vote. I feel like I might be jinxing myself.
I thought I had an ND while decocking my CZ-52, then someone on THR informed me that was an AD and the CZ-52 is known for that problem. Luckily it was at the range with the muzzle pointed down range. And now I know not to chamber a round unless I'm where I can shoot it.

I did come very close to blowing a hole in the walls of my grandpa's basement with my dad's shotgun once when I was 16 or so. We had gotten back from shooting and I was putting the guns in the gun cabinet and just double checking the actions to make sure they were unloaded. My dad's shotgun was stuck, so that I couldn't work the slide action. I was pushing the release button and everything but it wouldn't go. I thought, "Well, maybe if I pull the trigger, then it will release." (!!!) I almost did just that, but then I thought, "Wait a minute, it should work when I'm pushing the release button." So I put my purse down and put some muscle into it, and sure enough, thunk... out pops a shell. That was an eye-opener. Thank goodness for that little voice that tries to protect me from my own stupidity.

Bazooka Joe71
August 24, 2007, 03:15 PM

I bet you felt like a bit of a jacka$$ after that happened, considering you were teaching your friend gun safety.:D

Good story though, its always good to triple or quadrupal check...

Just Wed. I was at the range with one of my buddy's who doesn't shoot all that often. I just took a couple of scoped .22's for some good ol .22 competitions. My buddy was shooting my ruger 10/22 and I was shooting my marlin 39a. The marlin holds 18 rds IIRC and the ruger just holds 10, so I was usually just loading 10 rds into the marlin so we had the same amount of rounds. I had to run back to my car, which is about 50 yards from where we were shooting and when I got back my buddy told me he had loaded my marlin for me.

We commence shooting our last rds of the day and once we were out I started to put the ruger away...I do my triple check on it and up it away. Grab the marlin open up the action twice, nothing was in there, on the third try a round popped up into the chamber! It probably wouldn't have been a big deal, but I'd never want to put up a gun thats loaded and I didn't know it.

Guess its time to give my marlin a good cleanin':)

Brad Johnson
August 24, 2007, 04:18 PM
I bet you felt like a bit of a jacka$$ after that happened,

Oh, just a little...


August 24, 2007, 04:29 PM
stuff happens, thats why you follow the rules.
Pointing in a safe direction has saved my life.
I'm religious about that one.

August 25, 2007, 12:12 AM
Closest I've come was a "hang-fire" at the range with a .22lr. Click, reached up to do tap-rack-bang when BOOM! the round fired!! Scared the bejeezes outta me! Gun was pointed safely down range but I can't be sure the round impacted the berm because I was looking at the gun, not downrange.


August 25, 2007, 12:29 AM
this is a little complicated because when this happened I was ready to fire. I was at the range the gun was pointed down range, my sights were on target I even hit the target pretty good but it fired a lot sooner than I expected.:uhoh: I think that I was so hyped up on adrenalin that I pressed a little hard on the trigger. No harm done kinda scared me a little but makes you more careful though.:)

August 25, 2007, 01:04 AM
In the home: not by me, but my brother was dry firing a new 1911 and touched a round off while pointing at my kitchen floor between his feet--I was seated nearby; fragments of tile hurt about as much as fragments of lead!

Broke the 180 once after abruptly switching guns at the start of an IPSC match--first and only DQ. Fired at a target to my left after taking about 1 step further downrange than allowed. Does that count?

And during an RO seminar, simulation section: I played the shooter with a live round after unloading and showing clear: ...if you are finished, unload and show clear (older format). Gun clear, hammer down. BANG! I don't think that counts for the poll, but it sure brought the entire class to a new state of awareness!

I follow the safe gun handling rules like a religion, but I keep a first-aid kit with major trauma capability right next to the gun safe. Arrogance with a gun falls under Pride---a deadly sin.

August 25, 2007, 01:47 AM

Tim Burke
August 25, 2007, 09:26 AM
If you are planning on having an ND, then you need to be compulsive about following the 4 Rules, so no one will get hurt when you have it.
If you are planning on not having an ND, then you need to be compulsive about following the 4 Rules, to keep from having one.
If you aren't compulsive about following the 4 Rules, then your plans don't mean a thing.

August 25, 2007, 01:20 PM
I cant remember how long ago mine was. It was between going to a tech school and the corps so about eight years. While I was at work my little brother(who was 19 or 20) decided to play with my Ruger P95. It was always kept in a case unloaded but up til then I never locked it up. After working all day I come home and after a while I go to bed. When my head hit the pillow it the 9mm under the pillow went off. I never put it there ever. A week later the kid admitted to loading it and hiding it there since I got home and he didnt want to get caught. But he didnt learn quick from that because when he told me what happened it was while I was taking him to the hospital after he decided to play quick draw with my dad's 1911 again after loading it and shot off two of his toes.

Bazooka Joe71
August 25, 2007, 03:09 PM


HOLY ****!!!! Thats some scary stuff right there! So thats two toes, and just about YOUR HEAD under his Neglagent belt.


January 23, 2008, 06:27 PM
Yes, I had one. 8 yrs ago. After being up for over 24 hrs on the job, I got off duty, went home and decided to wipe down my off-duty weapon, a H&K USP. So I ejected the round out of the chamber THEN dropped the magazine. I quite promptly let my thumb enter the trigger guard while wiping it down w/ a cloth and I sent a Speer Gold Dot 124gr +p through my picture window!

I was so scared I had hurt somebody. This happened after many yrs of proper gun handling, teaching in both the Marines and in law enforcement.

This was both frightening and enlightening. I learned very powerful lessons that day and I am humbled by it even today. I'm grateful no one was hurt due to my negligence.
I now Never handle my firearms when I'm infirmed or exhausted.
IT CAN happen to anyone, but it doesn't have to...just don't let your guard down......I sincerly hope it doesn't happen to any of you!!!!

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