Missourians won’t need sheriff’s permit to buy concealable gun


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Desertdog
August 24, 2007, 10:57 PM
Missourians won’t need sheriff’s permit to buy concealable gun
By KEVIN MURPHY
http://www.kansascity.com/115/v-print/story/243405.html
The Kansas City Star

Residents of Missouri soon will no longer need a sheriff’s permit to buy a concealable gun, although a permit still will be required to carry one.

Missouri lawmakers changed the gun law earlier this year with little of the controversy that often goes with gun legislation. The change will be effective Tuesday.

“It’s something we’ve advocated for some time,” said Kevin Jamison, a Gladstone lawyer who is president of the Missouri Sport Shooting Association, the National Rifle Association affiliate in the state. “This makes it easier for people to buy firearms. They don’t have to get permission first.”

The gun-permit law for purchases dates to 1921, Jamison said. The sheriff has up to seven days to review a permit application and conduct a criminal background check.

So far this year, Jackson County has issued 4,150 permits to acquire a handgun, said Sgt. Judy Farnsworth of the sheriff’s office. The permits generated about $60,000 in fees for the general fund, she said.

Under federal law, gun dealers already do background checks on people who buy handguns from them, so the sheriff’s review is redundant, Jamison said. In addition, going to the sheriff’s office to apply for a permit and then to pick it up is a nuisance, he said.

The sale or transfer of firearms between individuals also will no longer require a criminal background check.

“There will not be any safeguards on that, individual to individual,” Farnsworth said. “It’s always a concern, but there’s not a lot we can do about it.”

Jamison said most sales of handguns are by licensed dealers, so background checks still will have to be done. Though illegal, the transfer of guns without a permit among individuals is already common, he said.

Jamison said gun-rights groups will advise individuals to have a dealer do a computer background check on gun buyers they do not know. The dealers will charge a small fee but have access to criminal records not available to individuals, Jamison said.

Jamison said there was no testimony against the bill this year when the change was made part of a larger, 20-page firearms and self-defense bill.

As word of the new law got out, however, some people mistakenly believed that permits would no longer be needed to carry a weapon, said Deputy Ronda Montgomery, Jackson County Sheriff’s Department spokeswoman.

In a news release this week, Montgomery said that “it is important to note this does not affect the concealed permit law.”

A 2003 Missouri law allowed carrying of concealed weapons, with permission of the sheriff and after training, background checks and other restrictions. All of those rules still apply, Jamison said.

“Buying a handgun does not make you qualified to carry it,” he said.

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Standing Wolf
August 24, 2007, 11:05 PM
“There will not be any safeguards on that, individual to individual,” Farnsworth said. “It’s always a concern, but there’s not a lot we can do about it.”

I love the sound of government feeling sorry for itself because it's lost power.

General Geoff
August 25, 2007, 07:38 AM
“Buying a handgun does not make you qualified to carry it,"

That makes my blood boil.

Glockman17366
August 25, 2007, 08:02 AM
“Buying a handgun does not make you qualified to carry it,” he said"

Working at a job that requires one to carry does not make one qualified to carry it either.

Autolycus
August 25, 2007, 01:54 PM
Sounds like the goverment workers are trying to push their political beliefs on us through the use of their position as government workers.

Steve499
August 25, 2007, 02:29 PM
“Buying a handgun does not make you qualified to carry it,” he said.

Just my opinion. Being an American qualifies me, regardless of my skill level.

El Tejon
August 25, 2007, 03:01 PM
Does my buying a book entitle me to read it? Or do I need to check with the Sheriff first?

El Tejon, twenty times the firearms training of a LEO

BTW, way to go Missouri. We lost our rights a slice at a time, we shall restore them a slice at a time.

Technosavant
August 25, 2007, 05:12 PM
El T, that's exactly the way we've been going about it. That bill that deleted the PTA also introduced Castle Doctrine for your home (overnight dwelling, actually) and your vehicle. It wasn't a full fledged stand your ground bill, but we'll work on that.

Piece by piece, guys. We go incrementally and we'll get more than if we try for the whole pie at once.

El Tejon
August 25, 2007, 05:32 PM
Techno, yes, I have a good friend in London, Missouri who moved there from here and he complained about your law. I am so happy that the antis are defeated and you can move on to another fight.:)

Standing Wolf
August 25, 2007, 05:36 PM
“Buying a handgun does not make you qualified to carry it,” he said.

Depends how you define "qualified." No, owning a gun doesn't make one a safe, accurate, quick, consistent shot. By contrast, every law-abiding American citizen should be automatically qualified to exercise our Second Amendment civil rights whether we own or don't own guns. It's actually that way only in Vermont and Alaska; all the rest of the states believe they're entitled to infringe our civil rights by one means or another, to one degree or another.

LAR-15
August 26, 2007, 02:37 PM
How many states are left that require a permit for a pistol?

Clipper
August 26, 2007, 05:46 PM
...Actually, I agree to the extent that owning a hammer doesn't make one a carpenter, either. I've seen lots of people at the range and in the woods, not watching what their muzzles are doing, failing to engage safeties, under the influence: In general, people I'd rather not be around when they're armed. At least the permit process usually requires some type of safety training. It may or may not work, but at least someone tried...


BTW, Michigan still requires non-CHL holders to get a 'permit to purchase', and requires all newly purchased handguns to be 'safety inspected' and a certificate of inspection issued by the local law within 10 days of purchase. A copy is forwarded to the state police, so call it what you want, it's registration. There is legislation in the works to do away with this, but so far nothing is happening...

Novus Collectus
August 26, 2007, 05:58 PM
When he said "qualified" to carry it, I honestly think he meant legally qualified and not skill qualified to physically capable qualified to carry one.

Clipper
August 26, 2007, 06:18 PM
Well, when you get the official translation, you let us know...

Novus Collectus
August 26, 2007, 06:48 PM
Well, when you get the official translation, you let us know...Dictionaries are available online these days
qual·i·fy (kwl-f)
v. qual·i·fied, qual·i·fy·ing, qual·i·fies
v.tr.
1. To describe by enumerating the characteristics or qualities of; characterize.
2. To make competent or eligible for an office, position, or task.
3.
a. To declare competent or capable; certify.
b. To make legally capable; license.
4. To modify, limit, or restrict, as by giving exceptions.
5. To make less harsh or severe; moderate. See Synonyms at moderate.
6. Grammar To modify the meaning of (a noun, for example).http://www.thefreedictionary.com/qualify

gezzer
August 26, 2007, 07:02 PM
Another Jim Crow law bites the dust as it should.

Steve499
August 27, 2007, 06:28 PM
It wasn't a full fledged stand your ground bill, but we'll work on that.


A legislator friend of mine told me that one single legislator from Kansas City was responsible for getting the bill modified from it's original form to the overnight/vehicle form which was passed. He assured me the law will get more attention and will become a complete stand your ground type law soon.

mordechaianiliewicz
August 27, 2007, 08:27 PM
I love this. I'm gettin' me another pistol soon. Woohoo!

Technosavant
August 28, 2007, 10:24 AM
Well, it is now August 28th, the permit-to-acquire is now history, castle doctrine is now law, and gun stores will be BUSY.

I'm betting the NICS calls will take a bit longer today, what with MO flooding the place.

unreal45
August 28, 2007, 07:37 PM
YES!!!!!
I hate to wait.

gego
August 28, 2007, 10:48 PM
I noticed the Springfield MO local news stories showed an anti-gun bias. They pointed out that the NICS check for gun purchases would not be able to pick up charges in progress, but that the local sheriff might be aware of such proceedings so a bad guy might slip through the national net. Also they pointed out that pistols could now be sold individual to individual without background checks like this was something only criminals would do.

Surprising given the liberal bias of these news commentators, they failed to mention that the original unspoken intent of this law requiring a permit from the local sheriff was to keep Negroes from buying pistols.

The power of the press is of little value when the press is lazy, bias and not well informed; all the better argument for a well armed population as a last resort to preserve freedom.

Interesting that in Missouri, when the CCW law was enacted, it did have a provision for carry in one's car without a CCW permit, so you can have a loaded firearm in your car or home. Of course, some municipalities have attempted to restrict open carry or discharge of a firearm, which gives you the strange situation that you can in self defense shoot without state civil or criminal consequences, but might be violating a municipal ordinance for discharging your firearm.

jaholder1971
August 28, 2007, 11:16 PM
Congrats to you mizzou boys! Thought you'd never get rid of that.

Technosavant
August 29, 2007, 11:31 AM
Congrats to you mizzou boys! Thought you'd never get rid of that.

We couldn't have done it without the sheriffs themselves. Their own arrogant abuses of the law ("I am the law") provided enough motivation to the people and justification in the legislature. The funny thing is that had they followed the law they are sworn to uphold, the PTA would probably still be in effect and they'd still be getting their ten bucks for every handgun sold.

Karma, it is a boomerang.

Cogster1
August 29, 2007, 12:36 PM
Lar-15,

Michigan still requires a permit. I don't have info on any other state.

Henry Bowman
August 29, 2007, 12:57 PM
Way to go, Mo!

fletcher
August 29, 2007, 01:00 PM
Congratulations Missouri shooters - hopefully other states will follow your lead.

HuntAndFish
August 29, 2007, 09:31 PM
We are now officially angling for the coveted F grade from the Brady organization. :)

45Badger
August 29, 2007, 10:27 PM
Great work in MO! Misery, or whatever.....:D

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