[John Ross]

As expected, Holden vetoed RTC on Thursday. A veto override in September is quite possible but not certain.

Much has been made of the 1999 referendum here which passed in almost every county but was narrowly defeated overall because in a couple of precincts there was over 90%(!) opposition. Go to

http://www.john-ross.net/race&rtc.htm

to see the explanation for this.

JR

[El Tejon]

That explains a lot. Heard this same explanation when Glock-o-matic and I were at the Chapman Academy couple of years ago.

Never understood why carry reform was such trouble for a solidly pro-gun state such as Missouri. Now I know.:banghead:

One would think that KC and Saint Louie would be the MOST supportive of carry reform since the laws were used against African-Americans to begin with. Sad/sickening to think that people believe oppression will protect them.

[Jim March]

Oh...god, that does explain a lot.

SIGH.

[Monkeyleg]

John, that's the most depressing thing I've read today. But I'm afraid it just might be true.

[Standing Wolf]

Sad/sickening to think that people believe oppression will protect them.

Leftists mastered that technique a long, long time ago.

[Bruce H]

Without a doubt very true. Criminals protecting their turf by proxy.

[Preacherman]

I have to agree with JR on this one. Working in a max-security penitentiary, I'm surrounded by young men (and not so young men) from the inner-city districts up and down the East Coast. It's frightening how many of them know each other, or tell me of their brothers (plural) or nephews (plural) or cousins (plural) who are in this, or that, or the other jail. I hear them make speaker-phone calls from my office to their families in times of crisis, and often I hear the family telling them about this, or that, or the other member, who's now in jail, or has violated parole and is back in jail, and so on. The really sad thing is to talk to the women who have had one or two children with some scumbag and are now "waiting for him to come out" so that they can be married. In the meantime, they're raising the kids as a single parent, carrying all the expenses themselves, and getting pressured by their boyfriend to send him money in prison!

:fire: :( :confused:

[Frenchy]

Great read John, and so very true. I spent my formative years of the early and mid 60's in Northwest County, and saw this very thing.

[BowStreetRunner]

well who's depressed now?
me!
im outta MO in August and Ill be in GA where normal folk can carry a gun for self defense.....but I hope the legistlature comes through for everyone back in MO
override.....ppplllllllleeeeeaaaassseeeeee
BSR

[Hand_Rifle_Guy]

You'd think them 90% bracketer's from those "co-mutinies" would up and move to Korny Kaliforny. We have welfare down to a science here, and liberal politicians who like to buy votes with free-ride utopian promises.

And we have VAST inner-city environments for them to be comfortable in. Some of the biggest in the country! Los Angeles, f'rinstance. Lots of crime, high unemployment, the works!

I 'member when I got arrested on a warrant fer an unpaid fine once. (Fireworks, of all things.) I was AMAZED at all the conversations going on betwixt the various inmates present for whatever in court the day I was there. These guys were from different jails all over the place, and were gossiping and catching up on news about fellow prisoners, probation and parole officers, who was up on what charges, etc. It was like they all lived in the same small town or domething. Erie, I thought, and wanted no part of such a world.

Aw, heck. I gotta lighten up. My cynicism is showing again.

"Whadjeh get, kid?"

"I didn' GET nuthin". I had ta PAY fifty dollers n' pick up de garbage."

One of 'em asked "Wadjoo get 'rested fer?"

I said "Litterin' ", and they ALLL moved away from me on the bench...

--Woodie Guthrie.

;)

[Monkeyleg]

Preacherman: "The really sad thing is to talk to the women who have had one or two children with some scumbag and are now "waiting for him to come out" so that they can be married."

I'll tell you a story that's probably all too familiar to you, but may unsettle some THR members.

Back when my wife graduated from high school, everyone was asking each other what they were going to do. One young woman answered that she was going to have a couple of kids and go on welfare.

True to her plan, she got herself knocked up, shacked up with a few guys who soon left town, and got on the "dole."

Every couple of years she'd call my wife to talk about how things were going. The last time she called, her story was miserable: her dirtball husband was in jail for molesting her daughter when the girl was just twelve years old. Now, said daughter (age 16) is waiting for the dirtball to get out of prison--so they can get married!

I kid you not. Sometimes you don't know whether to laugh or cry.

[Frohickey]

90%... sure sounds like voter fraud to me.

[bogie]

In St. Louis, the standard thing is for the city to wait until all the other precincts in the state have reported, and then make up the numbers so that the election goes the "right" way.

Holden is history.

[Henry Bowman]

At least you got one step closer than we did in Ohio. Not only would our senate not override a Gov. Taft veto, they won't even embarass him with having to veto it. :banghead:

[CasualShooter]

It ain't over in Missouri. :fire:

Under Missouri's Constitution, there will be a special session in September, to last not more than 10 days, to consider a veto override. :D

Missourians should begin working their state representatives and senators now, and continue doing so until this is settled, urging them to override the govorners veto and pass HB 349 License to Carry into law. :fire:

[CasualShooter]

More on Missouri.

I've heard from several sources that Govorner Bob Holden, AKA One Term Bob, has P.O.'d so many people in his own party that he might not get the nomination for a second term. If he does get it, he will surely lose if Missouri's gun owners do their part. It appears likely that he will be challenged in the primary by, I believe, Carolyn McCarthy who is said to be very popular. She is just as bad and maybe worse; and, she may pose a tougher candidate in the general election.

Veto override = sooner for LTC = better :D

However, If the veto override is unsuccessful, this will surely be a major issue for a republican gubernatorial candidate next year. Thus it would appear that LTC could be Law in Missouri within 2 years even if the override fails.

Here's hopin' that Missouri can get it done in September! :fire: