Sheaths for Folders...Why?


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Skunkabilly
July 5, 2003, 02:54 PM
I seen 'em done a few times, but why?? :confused:

I understand a neck sheath, but why a belt sheath?

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Sir Galahad
July 5, 2003, 03:36 PM
Why? Well, for one thing, you can carry the sheath upside down on your belt. Hand goes down and unsnaps sheath in one motion and as hand keeps going down, knife falls nicely into hand. Or with a tight sheath, hand pulls knife down and out. Then hand flicks open the knife with the remaining downward travel to fully extend arm. For another, in a self-defense situation, the opponent may be watching the sheath and not see the REAL knife you're carrying as you extract that. In some cases, a work knife may be carried in a sheath to provide ready access. Saves pocket room for the self-defense knives.

444
July 5, 2003, 03:52 PM
My impression was that most folders that you would carry on your belt are too long to be legal in certain areas when concealed. So, you "open carry".

This may be total hogwash, I don't even know where I heard it or when, but it was a long time ago.

Lone Star
July 5, 2003, 04:32 PM
I use pouch sheaths in black ballistic nylon (?) by Blackie Collins to carry larger lockblade folders because they're too heavy for the pocket, and the pouch lets me reach the knife faster, too.

Clipping a tactical folder in a pocket calls public and police attention to it. In a subdued color pouch on a neatly dressed, well groomed white man, almost no one notices my knife. They probably figure it's a slide rule or cell phone...

Lone Star

Gilmore
July 5, 2003, 05:12 PM
Help keep dirt out of the lock and moving parts?

hso
July 5, 2003, 06:21 PM
Gee Skunk, you oughta be able to get that one without asking.

Don't have to dig in pocket for knife.
Don't have to tear up pants with clip.
Don't have to keep cleaning change/lint/crackerjack out of knife.
Don'y have to stab yourself with tip up carry pocket clip knives.
Don't have to scratch up pretty bolster/scales.
Don't have people keep asking you, "Is that a knife in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?".:scrutiny:

CWL
July 5, 2003, 06:35 PM
Uh, availability of sheaths in tactical black?

Sir Galahad
July 5, 2003, 07:51 PM
If the folder is legal to carry, police seeing it shouldn't be an issue. A couple cops who need to discern REAL criminals from citizens might want to make an issue of it, but the law won't be on their side. Most cops know the difference between a folder sheath and a cell phone, by the way. As far as people seeing it, so? Let them see it. Some who see it might be less apt to make a play for you, if you know what I mean. The main issues are: Where is the knife easily accessed? Where is the knife not overly obstructed? If this is a belt sheath, use that. If it is a pocket, use that. The main issue of importance is not who sees it or not, but from where you can get it into hand and into play as soon as possible. In the end, what other people might "think" shouldn't be more important than defending your life.

Jim March
July 5, 2003, 09:51 PM
Megafolders may not fit in a pocket well, and if the grips are G10, they'll eat bocket material up in a flash.

The first six Sifus made didn't have pocket clips or even provisions for them.

http://www.ninehundred.com/~equalccw/sifuhides.jpg

http://www.ninehundred.com/~equalccw/sifucloseup.jpg

IWB conceals better than any other carry, if you need "total stealth" to avoid sheeplefreakouts and running afoul of cops ignorant of the knife carry laws.

winstonsmith
July 5, 2003, 09:56 PM
Hey Jim, I like how the undies say TFL. :D :neener:

Jim March
July 6, 2003, 02:16 AM
They actually say "FTL". I photoshopped 'em back when we were all on TFL.

:D

Sir Galahad
July 6, 2003, 04:18 AM
I thought FTL was a nationwide florist with a fast delivery service.

brownie0486
July 6, 2003, 07:57 PM
Thats FTD sir.

You know, that guy with the winged shoes.:cool:

Brownie

VaughnT
July 6, 2003, 10:31 PM
You mean I wear the same drawers as the great Jim March?!!



Oh, ah, that, ah, didn't come out the way I meant. :o

winstonsmith
July 6, 2003, 10:45 PM
I used to wear FTLs. Then I graduated to boxers when I was 12. :neener: :evil:

But I think that sheaths for folders and a good idea, especially if you don't want to tear up your pants, dont want to scratch up your steel, and want to be tactical.

Jim March
July 7, 2003, 12:27 AM
Gawd. I've had more comments on my UNDIES in those pics than I've had on the friggin' sheaths.

Jeez, guys!

:D

Sir Galahad
July 7, 2003, 01:31 AM
We saw London, we saw France, we saw Jim March's underpants!!:neener:

gunsmith
July 7, 2003, 01:31 AM
VaughnT You mean I wear the same drawers as the great Jim March?!! ...
You know,I have 3 great JM IWB holsters,JM has slept in the guest room &
fixed up my computer,the GF & I took him out to breakfast;and he never once even made an offer to let me wear his drawers!

THANKS A LOT JIM! :evil:

winstonsmith
July 7, 2003, 02:10 AM
Edited for stupidity.

By my Grandma.

Jim March
July 7, 2003, 05:00 AM
All: I'm 6'4", 280lbs, with a 50" waist. My choices in undies selection are...limited :).

And they sure as hell wouldn't fit Gunsmith! :D Not as underwear, that's for sure. Stretched into a funky umbrella mebbe.

:evil:

brownie0486
July 7, 2003, 12:47 PM
Jim,

Next time be more careful. You are getting too many people excited on this forum.

I know why they were hiked up over the waist band of the pants ;)

Brownie

hso
July 7, 2003, 01:24 PM
Ok, I gotta -

Brownie,
Either Jim's trying to "hang" with the younger set (note the TFL undies are tactical black ) or he's taking up slack.

Oh yeah, is there anything freudian about his knife sticking out of a pair of "dickies" above his underwear?:scrutiny:

:evil:

Jim,

In all truth the IWB knife sheath is a great option for carry. It can be set to properly position a fixed or folding knife for carry at 1:00, 3:00, 5:00, 7:00, 9:00, or 11:00. It allows you to set just how much you want to stick up for ease of access. It allows you to remove the clip or use a teflon/nylon tape strip to quicken access. It keeps all the detritus of the pockets out of your knife and sorts the knives for defense from the knives for work. It puts it in the same place every time so that muscle memory instead of the limited RAM in your noggin can put your hand on it every time, it allows discrete carry (even in the dressiest or nearly-nude-casual settings).

What's your price on molding one up?

Mike

brownie0486
July 7, 2003, 01:31 PM
If he is like myself, the top of that folder is digging into his side, and pulling the undies up that high creates a softer "dig" mark and a lot less uncomfortability in carrying thus.

Thats a guess on my part, but I'm sure I'm pretty close to the truth here.

Jim, care to expound on that theory?

Brownie

JShirley
July 7, 2003, 03:06 PM
Jim,

You actually look a good bit like Byron Quick.

Jim March
July 7, 2003, 03:42 PM
Actually, around back over my kidneys, there's very little "jabbing into my gut" effect going on. None that I notice. The undies are pulled up to cut the glare from my pasty white hide :D.

Boy, this thread managed to go gloriously south without tipping over into OT :).

Anyways.

At present, I'm only doing on-site sales where I can personally fit the carry rig to the piece and person. The basic design is in flux, I may have something even better than the existing type in the works, including a type of belt hook absolutely unique in the biz...very stealth, fits any belt and pants type.

hso
July 7, 2003, 04:12 PM
Jim,

While the awful Pager Pal was an interesting idea the thought of using a pager as camoflage for IWB carry does make sense. If you can get the cheap hulls you could connect the kydex to the clip and use that ($4/ea).

Mike

Jim March
July 7, 2003, 07:54 PM
Well speaking as somebody who has...errr...wide hips, the idea of adding MORE width right where the gun is is...crazy.

I'd rather just build a GOOD IWB rig with basically nothing at all showing to the world. Which is now possible, wait'll y'all get a look at the new clip design :).

VaughnT
July 7, 2003, 09:08 PM
I guess it would be wrong of me to tell the world that JM isn't packin' more than six inche of "steel". :p

Is that considered a below-the-belt comment?:D

Gunsmith, trust me when I say you don't want to know what happened between the time he got them off and I got them on.




Oh my god!! There are just sooooooo many possibilities with this one! Somebody stop me, please. :evil:

Jim March
July 7, 2003, 09:47 PM
Pull up! Pull up! The thread's sink rate is increasing!

:D

Skunkabilly
July 8, 2003, 12:16 AM
http://www.mnsi.net/~nbtnoel/3neckrigs1.jpg

OK. This is cool. Where's the 'rockin' smilie?

hso
July 8, 2003, 08:27 AM
Skunk,

Hate to burst your bubble Bubba, but that ain't C-fiber (patterned Concealex to look like).

mtnbkr
July 8, 2003, 09:23 AM
Another good reason to use a sheath is that you now have an excuse to buy a fantastic Gary Graley sheath.

Here's his site: http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Cabin/7306/blades.html

Mine is the one that says: "Horizontal sheath for a Buck 110
Custom with nice Jigged bone handle and BG42 blade" next to it.

I tried to put a link to the pic, but Geocities was being balky about loading it from here.

Chris

Skunkabilly
July 8, 2003, 10:48 AM
Hate to burst your bubble Bubba, but that ain't C-fiber (patterned Concealex to look like).

I know, but it's still pretty cool lookin :p

Kentucky Rifle
July 10, 2003, 10:55 AM
I use sheaths for all my carbon fiber scale knives. ESPECIALLY the mirror polished Klotsli carbon fiber scales.

KR

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