[MarineTech]

Alright, was at my local gunshop this morning, my normal Saturday morning hang-out, when the owner pulled me aside to show me something that came in with a bunch of ammo and reloading equipment from an estate sale.

.38SPL cartridge that looked like a hollow copper tube. Seriously, we pulled the bullet on one and it had a hole clear through it. Looked like somebody had turned down some heavy wall copper pipe and stuffed it into the casing with a gas check. The casings were PMC and seemed like they had been around a while.

My question is, was this an actual production ammo, or is this something that was Bubba'd up on this guy's reloading bench? No plans to make any myself or purchase any, but I was curious to the thinking behind the design.

[critter]

I remember some of those (or similar?) being advertised several years ago. The idea was a super high velocity round which was supposed to penetrate well due to the cookie cutter type bullet even if it was not a heavy bullet. (Didn't it have some sort of 'plug' or 'underbullet wad' to stop up the hole until it was fired?)

It must not have been too successful since it appears not to have lasted very long. I do not remember the brand, etc.

I do not think you have a 'bubba job' though. I don't know, but a carterige collector might be interested in it.

[ACP230]

PMC made the load back in the 1980s. The tube bullet was supposed to make holes in perps that were quite difficult to repair in the ER.

I saw ads for the ammo, but never saw a round of it.

ATF forced PMC to stop making it due to concerns about it penetrating body armor, I think. The stuff might be collectable now because of that.

[QuickDraw]

For what its worth...
I remember reading about these in one of Richard Marcinko's books.
He called them "cookie cutters".
I guess it put the BIG hurt on the bad guys!

QuickDraw

[M2HMGHB]

If I remember right he said that a type of explosive was also used in it. I also believe it was one of his fictional books.

[EchoSixMike]

That was PMC Ultramag. ATF canced it because it was all copper and they had some concerns it would punch soft armour. It'll cut a full caliber hole, but it doesn't have any advantage over a good hollow point, and it will have less penetration than an ogival flatpoint or good Keith SWC due to extremely low mass. S/F...Ken M

[Gordon]

Just found this thread. I shot a 100lb dog with one of these; first in behind the shoulder perfect shot placement, and then one in neck /head juncture. The poor animal just howled until I ran the 50 feet to put 2 between eyes. This animal was attacking live stock at the time and all I had was a K-38 that was dead on and I was fooling with this stuff in 90 or so. Another super destructo mega atomizer that worked far worse than a cast lead low velocity slug would have. BTW I didn't see any big bleed outs either!:fire:

[Phil in Seattle]

There is a version that is OK to sell by BATF(E) standards

Banned-PMC ULTRAMAG .38 Special caliber, constructed entirely of a brass type material, and plastic pusher disc located at the base of the projectile. NOTE: PMC ULTRAMAG 38J late production made of copper with lead alloy projectile is not armor piercing.

If I ever see either for a cheap price at a show I'll buy it for the collection.
$40 a box is NOT a cheap price!:what:

[Sunray]

"...Richard Marcinko's books..." Unreliable source at best. I remember those things too. Those bullets didn't work either.