P99 unpopular?


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Ragnar Danneskjold
August 28, 2007, 06:20 PM
I am looking to buy a Walther P99. I live in Michigan, and I called 5 guns stores within 1.5 hours drive of me, 3 Gander Mountains, a Bass Pro/Outdoor World and the only Cabela's in Michigan. None of them have a single one of any kind in stock. One store clerk even told me that he head Walther had discontinued making the P99.

All of the reviews I have read of the P99 are positive, and from the ones I have held, they feel absolutely great. Are they that unpopular? I ended up having to get one off the Buds guns website.

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cudaman440
August 28, 2007, 06:53 PM
P99 are not at all unpopular just very bad marketing. I have three and would not trade them for anything.

HorseSoldier
August 28, 2007, 07:09 PM
I don't think they're unpopular, but I do think there was some sort of hiccup with their importation through S&W that coincided mysteriously with the launch of the M&P.

Ala Dan
August 28, 2007, 07:14 PM
Very unpopular firearms, here in the southeast U.S.> :scrutiny:;):D

TL1234
August 28, 2007, 07:20 PM
They just don't have the marketing machine that other brands have. It doesn't help any that they were also released as the "SW99," which had a lot of people thinking Sigma. Doesn't help any that the American distributor is S&W, who is also a competitor, as previous have pointed out.

I consider my P99 to be my "first" gun, since I sold the Glock 23 I had before it. Getting rid of that Glock 23 and getting the P99 was one of the best choices I have ever made. Nearly everyone I've known that has tried the P99 (this includes posts on the internet) agrees that it is the best option for 9mm in its class (size, price, etc.)

Phelptwan
August 28, 2007, 08:53 PM
There is only one store in my area that can still order them...everybody else says we have no idea of when we will get more in. I was bummed that I couldn't order through my usual gun shop.

PPGMD
August 28, 2007, 09:00 PM
There are a few Walther P99 fans around, but I would say that they simply aren't common, only one shop in my semi-local area carries the Walther, and they also carry just about every gun company.

Other then that, often if you ask they can be ordered. That's how I got mine.

Anyways I would guess in my local area there are about 4-5 people including me that have P99's, compare that to one of the other German gun company Hk which there are probably about 8-9 of us (including myself again). Glocks of course are everywhere, we have a lot of Sig fans, but is because of our steel shooters, where our top shooters shoot Sig.

Edit: Bud's Gun Shop and Gun Broker are your friends:
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/55
Just order it and have it transfered locally.

billykaldrich
August 28, 2007, 09:03 PM
Have mine for eight years now,18 round mag from Europe(15s availible stateside) makes it a great combat weapon.Performance is outstanding .Good enough for Mr.Bond now that he "had" his PPK retired by the (agency) he works for.S&W bought the U.S. rights to squash it and market their M&P as said before. I believe that idea.

Shipwreck
August 28, 2007, 09:21 PM
Yes - Bud's is a sponsor at my Fn Forum - and if U contact Turbozag on my site, he might be able to hook ya up.

Walther USA (aka S&W) does a crappy job at marketing. But the gun is truely awesome. My all time fav gun. I gave up spending tons of cash on 1911s after finding my P99 A/S - I shoot the gun just as well or better than a 1911.

Shipwreck
August 28, 2007, 09:22 PM
MY 3 hard chromed 99s - a P99 A/S, a P99 compact and a SW99....

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/mistershipwreck/chromewalther1.jpg

bannockburn
August 28, 2007, 09:25 PM
That's really kind of strange, because I remember that just a few years ago P99's were everywhere, and in different variations as well. I remember some with OD frames and others with tan frames; a couple of different action types, plus the smaller compact models. It does seem a little bit more than coincidental that they're all gone now when they had been in abundance a short while ago.

gudel
August 28, 2007, 09:27 PM
I've never seen one in the shops around here.

Navy87Guy
August 28, 2007, 10:26 PM
I think their price has something to do with the scarcity -- they are pretty expensive compared to Glocks, CZ's, Berettas and other S&W's (like the M&P).

Jim

Storm
August 28, 2007, 10:31 PM
Back around the end of last year there was a bunch of them around here (Atlanta), lots of new and used. Then they just dried up. Getting my P99 and SW99 was easy. By the time I got to my P99C late spring Walthers were few and far in between. Now I'm starting to see them again.

There's lots of M&Ps around, I can tell you that.

AZGlock13
August 28, 2007, 11:15 PM
Yep, Glad I got my P99 AS 9mm and SW99c 9mm in the last year or so. They are great guns. I hope the Walther P99s don't disappear here in the U.S. in the next few years, which would be a shame.

mballai
August 28, 2007, 11:31 PM
It's a good gun, just nowhere near the support as some other makes and models probably because it has had near zero marketing. If you like it enough, buy one, but I think you can do much better with some other gun simply because they do have a broader market and backing.

It's a shame, but that's just the way it is.

gudel
August 28, 2007, 11:38 PM
they probably thought by having bond using it in the film was a great marketing idea.

PPGMD
August 28, 2007, 11:45 PM
they probably thought by having bond using it in the film was a great marketing idea.

It is, but they have to do some marketing to exploit it.

FieroCDSP
August 28, 2007, 11:46 PM
The P99AS is still on my purchase list, despite the Stoeger Cougar I just picked up. My first interest in this hangun came from the Anime "Noir", which not only had a decent story and action set-up, but the producers put incredible detail into the firearms in the show, down to the Walther emblem on the handgrip of one lead character's P99. If I can find a decent screen shot of the gun, I'll post it.

After feeling the real thing, I knew it was a must-have, and could see why they (and Brosnan) chose it.

I found a few, but need to update my capture tech to get them, and get my friend to host them.

Hoppy590
August 29, 2007, 12:02 AM
Smith and Wesson no longer lists the p99 on thier website. they only list the SW99 ( six of one, 1/2 dozen of the other) but it seems the P99 has been assimulated. il ask next time im there

* its listed but its a dead link

PPGMD
August 29, 2007, 12:30 AM
The P99 was never offered from Smith they kept Walther and Smith seperate to the public.

The SW99 is a Walther lower frame, barrel and such with a Smith slide.

http://www.waltheramerica.com

Autolycus
August 29, 2007, 12:36 AM
I want a Walther P99 A/S myself and a compact one to match it. I remember when they had a Titanuim one, an OD one, a tan one, and numerous different models. I was not a fan so much as I am now.

Are there any differences in the SMith and Wesson versions and the Walther ones? Specifically in 9mm?

Coronach
August 29, 2007, 12:47 AM
I think they suffering from a marketing mistake. Whatever oddball relationship exists between Wather and S&W vis a vis the S&W99/P99 is bad enough (they're both offering the same gun), and now S&W seems to have dropped much of their support for the S&W99, since they now have three polymer duty guns in their lineup (Sigma, M&P, S&W99).

Personally, I don't think they need to go that route, since they have all the bases covered this way (S&W99 as a DA/SA, M&P as a striker/DAO gun, Sigma as a bargain basement entry level gun), but they seem to be leaving the S&W99 hanging. Personally, I'd drop the Sigma like nuclear waste if I had to cut one, but that's me.

I'm not a P99/S&W99 fan, but it is a good gun.

Mike

Mr Kablammo
August 29, 2007, 06:38 PM
Don't give up on the P99. It is an excellent design and and great gun. Very accurate with a good trigger in the AS model. Try gunsamerica if the other online sources can't produce. I think P99 is the best of the tupperware, including H&K.

19-3Ben
August 29, 2007, 06:45 PM
Personally, I'd drop the Sigma like nuclear waste if I had to cut one, but that's me.

Coronach- I've heard it is one of their #1 sellers right now, if not THE #1. I doubt it'll be dropped any time soon. It is their bread n' butter.

Ghost Walker
August 29, 2007, 06:46 PM
One of my wife's co:workers carries a P99. (Don't know if it's a QA or AS?) Anyway, she absolutely loves it and shoots a lot with it! I've heard it said - but have no personal experience to back it up - that you should go with the Walther and stay away from Smith's version.

I do like the way the P99 feels in the hand, though - Very nice design! :)

Coronach
August 29, 2007, 08:44 PM
Coronach- I've heard it is one of their #1 sellers right now, if not THE #1. I doubt it'll be dropped any time soon. It is their bread n' butter.Really? Are you sure you don't mean the M&P? M&Ps are selling like hotcakes, but I didn't think the Sigmas were, too.

Mike

PS Well, they did land a big contract with Afghanistan. I guess if you count that, it might be listed as a good seller. I dunno.

Soybomb
August 30, 2007, 12:45 AM
Are there any differences in the SMith and Wesson versions and the Walther ones? Specifically in 9mm?
First remember that all the new walther p99's have s&w marked on the slide, that doesn't mean they are s&w guns, just they are the importer.

The SW99 has a s&w made blackened stainless slide, the p99 has a walther made carbon steel slide.

Shipwreck
August 30, 2007, 10:02 AM
The SW99 was discontinued at the end of 2005. It was the eqivalent of the P99 A/S. The SW990L was made at least thru the end of 2006. They might still be made, but they are dropped from the 2007 S&W print catelog. The SW990L is similar to the P99 QA trigger.

I have both the SW99 and two P99s. The SW99 has melonite, which is the americanized version of Tennifer (what's on the Walther).

I had my SW99 first, as in the end of 2005, I had trouble finding a fullsize P99.It is a good gun. I like it a lot.

However, the barrel is a lot looser when the slide is open compared to the Walther. And, I find the Walther to be a tiny bit more accurate.

mgregg85
August 30, 2007, 07:19 PM
I'm fairly sure Joe Gun in Midland, MI has at least one. I might swing by there tomorrow, if you want I can check on the price for you. If they don't have one then I know Marshall's Shooting Center has one and I'm going there tomorrow after work so I can find out if you want.

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