SHTF single-shot pistol .454 or .460?


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Sylvan-Forge
August 30, 2007, 10:12 AM
What do you folks think would be the most sensible chambering to
cover the most common rimmed .45 calibers out there?

I'm thinking if I go with the .460 chamber, all the other common stuff more likely to be found (45 colt) is going to suffer due to the larger jump to the rifling.

I'd like to keep it as accurate as possible for silhouette competition but keep it versatile (one barrel) for SHTF.

The other barrels I figure will be .357 mag and .44 mag.

Thoughts?

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MCgunner
August 30, 2007, 11:05 AM
Hmm, most here are going to recommend an AK with 10,000 round drum magazines, at least 10 of 'em loaded, and of course it has to have a picante rail on it just in case one of your attackers has a bag of doritos on him.

However, not being a tacticool kinda guy, I understand. Personally, I sorta like my .45 Colt/.410 barrel for my contender for survival scenarios, not that it's anything more than a fun barrel at the range, but I mean just thinking about it. It's certainly no IMHSA barrel, though! ROFL! It shoots about 7 MOA due to excessive freebore. I haven't tried using that metric caliber rifle brass yet in it to reduce the freebore, might work as I do reload.

When I was IHMSA shooting, I bought a barrel and dies in 7mmTCU. I got to where I could run 35 out of 40 with it, not too bad for a beginner with 10" barrel and irons shooting stock class. You'll need an IHMSA micrometer click sight on it which I think TC sells. I got mine used from the guy who got me into shooting the sport. He and his wife had graduated to these spacey lookin' custom things that looked like something out of Buck Rodgers and shot like lasers, too. His wife routinely shot 40 of 40 and would outshoot him ALL the time, ROFL! Anyway, you need to think FLAT shooting and I don't know that .460 is flat enough. 7TCU was invented for the sport, but of course you must reload. You can't even buy brass in the caliber to my knowledge, had to fire form mine from .223 brass. I found commercial was the way to go. Used military brass didn't neck size with very much ease and I crunched a lot of it trying. Commercial brass is a lot more malleable when neck sizing up to 7mm.

In commercial, if you're shooting a contender and don't plan to load your own, I'd suggest a .30-30 barrel or perhaps a 7x30 waters. But, the .30-30 leverlution loads would be quite flat shooting and 7x30 is hard to find even in flat nose anymore. It never went over too well as a commercial round. You won't lack power in the .30-30 either. My .30-30 barrel has collected 5 one shot kills as far out as 90 yards on deer. It's a good, flat shooting caliber. Of course, I handload Nosler ballistic tips in mine.

Eventually, you'll want more'n one barrel if you're getting a Contender. I have a .22LR barrel, a 7mm TCU, a .30-30, and the .45/.410. I think a .223 might be fun, if useless, and I've always fancied getting a .22 hornet barrel for some odd reason. Also, a .45-70 barrel will take anything a .460 would take far as game goes. I read an article once calling it the "150 yard sledge hammer", pretty appropriate. But, it also hammers the other end of the grip. My .30-30 is a peach. I have the 12" hunter barrel with built in compensator. It doesn't come with sights, though, scope mounted barrel. The super 14 would work or a 10" will be mandated for stock class.

Guys use rounds like .454 and .460 in IHMSA. I ain't saying you can't use one, just that if you're going to shoot a single shot pistol, I think a rifle caliber is better and will get you a higher score. JMHO

BTW, why is this posted in "revolvers"?

Stainz
August 30, 2007, 01:49 PM
Get a Bond derringer in .45/.410. Keep a 255gr LSWC in one barrel, a decently sized shot .410 in the other. That should be decent 'help' in a SHTF scenario... until you get to something bigger. I'll keep my S&W 625 MGs in .45 Colt.

Stainz

PO2Hammer
August 30, 2007, 02:49 PM
I wouldn't worry too much about the jump to the rifling. After all, there is more jump in a revolver firing a standard round than there is in a single shot firing a shorter than standard round.

I had a .357 Maximum Contender barrel that shot .357 Magnum and .38 special just fine.

Add the standard disclaimer about cleaning the chamber before going to a longer round.

Hmmm, maybe a Rossi 1892 lever action in .454 Casull as a companion piece?

The big bore Encore barrels are quite a bit lighter than the mid bores, so recoil really starts to escalate. You might want to look into the new Pachmayr grip for the Encore.

Sylvan-Forge
August 31, 2007, 09:26 AM
Thanks guys, much appreciated :)

I posted in revos to get info from those experienced with the rimmed .45s and to possibly avoid AK recommendations touting the 10,000 round drums :p
I'm all stocked up on thems :D

Pretty much going to keep it SHTF first and competition second.

A .410 derringer? Ouch. :D

Good point on the jump in revolvers, I guess a .460 chamber might be the ticket, what with the current popularity of it. Anyone have a crystal ball?

Tokugawa
August 31, 2007, 12:58 PM
For four hundred years of combat and protection use, the holy grail of firearms development was a reliable multi-shot weapon. And now you want to use a single shot for defense?

trueblue1776
August 31, 2007, 01:02 PM
SHTF single-shot pistol

Well he is from Florida, he'll need that shot to knock one of the wheels of the first one, thus jamming up the herd of pensioners trying to take his food. :D

Molasses
August 31, 2007, 08:28 PM
trueblue1776: ROTFLMAO! But...what caliber is best for taking out the tennis ball impaled on the front post of the walker?

What do you folks think would be the most sensible chambering to
cover the most common rimmed .45 calibers out there?

Dunno, just how common ARE any of the rimmed .45 calibers in your area? I recall paying off the layaway on a SAA clone about 15 years ago and finding no .45 LC in stock at that store. Was at the start of about a 200 mile drive to my folks for the weekend and had maybe 35 rds of CAS-type reloads already packed. Stopped at 3 gun shops, a couple of "bait-tackle-guns" places and a hardware store that had some guns on the way. Not one box, not one single round to be found, although I distinctly remember one bait and tackle clerk who dearly wanted to sell me their one box of .45 ACP and tried telling me that that was .45 Colt...

RichardB
August 31, 2007, 08:39 PM
For a real SHTF handgun you need a 9mm. Agree that 45 revolver ammo is too hard to find.

Sylvan-Forge
September 1, 2007, 12:22 PM
Pensioners! Heehee!
You guys saw that episode of King of the Hill and the AARP commandos didn't you?
Kill Kill Kill!

Serious bunch :eek:


Ok, everyone and their grandmother has a 9mm. SHTF and people make a run on said 9mm. You get the picture.

SHTF does not mean the only thing you are shooting at is large hordes of ravenous old bandits. You gotta eat.
No, not the old bandits, yuk.

I want a multi-role platform that is versatile, simple, accurate, powerful, robust and most impotantly, mobile.

Hence the single-shot in the calibers mentioned.
.357 mag
.44 mag
.4XX mag? I'm thinking .460 is it, especially since it is fairly popular (now anyways) and it is being stocked locally, albeit expensive.
The jump to the rifling, even from something like .45 auto rim, may still be pretty darn accurate... I guess..

zinj
September 1, 2007, 12:34 PM
Ok, everyone and their grandmother has a 9mm. SHTF and people make a run on said 9mm. You get the picture.

People are going to buy or steal everything. If you don't have an adequate supply of ammunition when disaster hits you're going to have an empty gun. You can only count on what you have on hand.

Sylvan-Forge
September 1, 2007, 03:00 PM
People are going to buy or steal everything. If you don't have an adequate supply of ammunition when disaster hits you're going to have an empty gun. You can only count on what you have on hand.

Indeed.
I figure I'll load up on various .45 rimmed components and be all set.
Other caliber components too.



Thanks for the input all :)

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