i ordered a new size die .452 and a spray can of frankford arsenol lube for molds.
Good stuff highly recomended.
Any how it was suppose to come via ups today. So i went to work early and got home early so i dont miss the ups guy. And all day long my package shows in transit. Well at 630pm i started to call. Where is my package. i get one of those people on the other end telling me it should be there tomorrow.
so i just checked ups tracking and now it shows
CA, US 08/30/2007 7:51 P.M. PKG DELAY-ADD'L SECURITY CHECK BY GOV'T OR OTHER AGENCY- BEYOND UPS CONTROL
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August 30, 2007, 11:55 PM
I don't know, but keep us updated.
August 31, 2007, 12:00 AM
Never encountered that before, and I order A LOT of shooting-related items on-line. Sounds like a "spot-check/audit" of some kind. I second the "keep us posted" request.
this is the die
i guess i better unhich the camel and be on my way
August 31, 2007, 12:24 AM
I've never seen that before either, and I buy a lot of stuff from there. Mine always arrives in three days, including the processing day.
It's probably ********** checking to make sure your dies aren't really 50cal and your lube doesn't contain anything at all.
August 31, 2007, 12:28 AM
thats what make me soooo mad. i bought these things on the 24th and the first time i checked the shipment it said expected day was the 28th. Then on the 28th no part. Later on in the day it shows the 30th. Now it shows this.
Crazy. if they are so concerned just open the frigen package. Then deliver it to me so i can size my bullets and go shooting. i was hoping to go this saturday. doesnt look like this is going to happen.
August 31, 2007, 01:36 AM
Escape while you still can. I did and never looked back, and we don't have any sales tax, either.......
August 31, 2007, 01:53 AM
Call Midway and see if they can help. . . . .
August 31, 2007, 03:25 AM
Call Midway and see if they can help.
I agree and I doubt this has anything to do with Midway. Once UPS has the package it's out of Midway's or any other dealer's hands.
August 31, 2007, 04:20 AM
I would agree with Fiero. ************ is probably spot checking orders from Midway, Brownells, cheaper than dirt, etc. Because you know you arent allowed to breathe let alone fire a gun there. Makes me wonder isn't that Package profiling? :)
Come on down to Tennessee, we can shoot, carry, reload, hell you can still buy private owned guns right out of the newspaper.
August 31, 2007, 06:04 AM
What would you expect from California? Went shooting with a guy last weekend from CA, and said they even have to register their ammo? :eek:
August 31, 2007, 06:57 AM
I wonder if some regulation has changed . . .I noticed on the package I had delivered from them yesterday that it has an ORM-D marking and thre was no hazmat stuff in the box. The closest thing to ammo was some .303 british bullets and some .45 acp bullets. (I also had 2 dies and bullet mold in the order)
I was always under the impression the ORM-D was the marking for when you bought powder, primers, live ammo . .
August 31, 2007, 08:24 AM
it's because you live in california. The STATE, not the Fed or the ATF checks packages for 'state contraband' when you get your package, it will have a nice new reseal tape on it indicating it was verified by the state.
This is why California is the only state that I refuse to visit.
August 31, 2007, 08:49 AM
Is California even allowed to do this? Isn't it an unreasonable search of papers and effects? I understand the feds have some right to check the mail with due cause and to check mail travelling into the country, but a state to check interstate mail without reasonable suspicion even??
I know the ACLU is not well liked here, but if there was ever a time they could be utilized, it might be one like this.
August 31, 2007, 09:03 AM
Any shipments into or out of a state fall into the state DOT's realm, if I'm not mistaken. Therefore, they have the authority to inspect any shipment, be it organized or random searches. It's probably just held up in a spot check of UPS, not necessarily of your box specificly.
August 31, 2007, 09:29 AM
I was always under the impression the ORM-D was the marking for when you bought powder, primers, live ammoORM-D is standard for loaded ammo. Powder and primer will ship with "Flammable Solid" stickers.
I suspect whoever packaged the items didn't pay close attention, and assumed the bullets were loaded ammo.
August 31, 2007, 10:21 AM
Its just California Customs, checking a shipment entering from the United States for Contraband. 30 round magazines, pistolgrips, collapsible stocks, armour piercing .50 caliber ammo, and oh yeah that shoulder thing that goes up...
Midway is in the USA and sells all of that prohibited stuff.
Vhen Der Commisar has inspected you shipment pesant and approves it you will get it.
August 31, 2007, 10:39 AM
Yeah check every little package, but let 100 Mexican trucking companies send thousands of trucks all the way to Canada starting on Labor Day with no inspections! Brother.:cuss:
August 31, 2007, 11:19 AM
I find it hard to believe that they have time and funding to check little Midway shipments.
I'd still contact Midway - they should at least be able to explain and if they can't then at least you've contributed to their state law knowledge base and maybe helped out the next guy who wants to order three silly things from Midway.
August 31, 2007, 02:56 PM
I'm expecting a package today from midway. The tracking says out for delivery. The last time, I had to wait till 6:30 pm, then I had to sign his gizmo before he'd give it to me. I asked ***, I never had to sign before! And why are you 3.5 hours late? His answer was, all packages have to be signed for. That explained why he was so late, if he's waiting for someone to come to the door to sign for ALL his deliveries, he's gonna be real slow. Other drivers have delivered before I leave for 3-11, they knock, by the time I get to the door, they're in their truck shifting into gear!
So I questioned midway about this, mainly because I work nights, I'm only home if I take a days vacation, like today. If I'm required to sign, I won't be ordering from them. Midway's response was, "we only require an adult signature for powder or primer shipments"!
Sounds like somebody in shipping screwed up by putting it in a ORM-D box, the commie-fornia gestapo seized it!
August 31, 2007, 03:46 PM
Well as of this morning here is what the ups site says.
TRACKING DETAIL Tracking Number: 1Z 677 247 03 6533 808 4Status: In TransitRescheduled Delivery: Aug 31, 2007Shipped to: MONROVIA, CA, USShipped/Billed on: Aug 24, 2007
So i have been home for 2 hours now. ON labor day weekend. If this package comes in i can spend some time sizing some bullets then reload later on tonight and still may be able to hit the range tomorrow.
August 31, 2007, 04:35 PM
If I were you, I'd take pictures of it before you open it then send them off to Midway and inform them of the situation.
maybe a vendor could set up a deal with the State of CA to mark the boxes as "safe for CALIFORNIA" before shipping there, then they wouldn't have to invade your privacy.
I shipped to an ebay buyer in California once who told me about this situation in email. I politely responded "well, I guess that's just the cost of 350 sunny days a year and mild winters. Personally, I'll take snow and rain in exchange for my constitutional rights." not to mention the total invasion of privacy that some residents have to indure. If you ask me, what's the difference between opening someone's package and searching someone's car? They both contain things that you own. Oh, one requires consent or a warrant....the other does not.
That falls under the "Search and Seizure" Amendment, if you ask me.... maybe the california government has taken the stance of "well, it's a long, old, document... there's no real reason to follow it. Heck, our governor couldn't even understand it until he learned english in his mid-20's."
August 31, 2007, 05:25 PM
Well I'll be dipped, it arrived at 2:45! And he didn't have me sign anything, same UPS driver. I'd bet he got an earful from his boss about late deliveries. He DID wait on the doorstep to hand it to me though.
I'm in the same boat as you Scrat, a new .458-405 HB mold to try out,(Lee). Think I can get some molded, cooled, lubed, and loaded by tomorrow? And I got a .458 sizer for my 450 lyman sizer, so no, you can't have it!:neener:
August 31, 2007, 06:08 PM
Well i still do not have mine
August 31, 2007, 08:16 PM
QUIT SPREADING MISINFORMATION ON THE INTERNET!
It probably has nothing to do with California. And it probably has nothing to do with the fact that it's from Midway.
UPS pulled this crap with a Barbie doll sent from Virginia to Texas. YES, TEXAS!!!:eek:
California law does not require ammo to be registered, not even .50 BMG. There is no such thing as California Customs unless you're talking about cruisers or hot rods.
Don't jump to conclusions and spread rumors. Ask UPS, not Midway about the delay. My guess is that there was a delay for some other reason, and someone at UPS used one of their default excuses from a pull down menu on their package tracking software to defuse another dissatisfied customer.
Maybe it's because I don't wear a tinfoil hat, but I just received two packages from Midway half an hour ago ONE business DAY EARLIER than UPS expected delivery date. Folks, let's not reinforce the paranoid gunowner stereotype.:rolleyes:
August 31, 2007, 08:48 PM
I think someone was looking for barrel shrouds under the direct order of Caroline McCarthy, myself . . .
August 31, 2007, 08:53 PM
Same thing happened to me. Weird.
August 31, 2007, 08:57 PM
I just sent in a Midway order today . . . we'll see . . .
August 31, 2007, 09:48 PM
Wouldn't it just be best to let Scrat receive his order and see what the explanation for the delay is, rather than all the speculation? After he finds out what happened, then it will be the time to deal with the actual facts of the case.
Just my thoughts.
August 31, 2007, 10:14 PM
I would not ut it pasted CA to do something stupid like that. I had to get out of there 11 years ago. I have been back to visit family but, I will never live there again.
I had to leave when the Illegals started to get more rights than a US Solider.
I went home on leave once and got pulled over in my home town every time I drove my moms truck threw town (I did the speed limit). In three weeks I got puled over 15 times and never once was given a ticket. I went to the police chief and told him what was going on and he said well sorry for the trouble. Did not look into it nothing.
I got shot once (In the leg with a pellet rifle) right in front of the police office. I directly went in side to file a complaint and was told to ID the guy well it turned out to be a Mexican (American). Not a damn thing ever happend to him. Even though they had pictures of the softball size swelling bruise on my calf.
August 31, 2007, 10:30 PM
Could it be the can was leaking and caused a scare?
August 31, 2007, 10:56 PM
08/31/2007 7:40 P.M. THE SERVICE AREA IS INACCESSIBLE BECAUSE OF A SPECIAL EVENT BEING HELD; A DELAY MAY RESULT / A POSTCARD HAS BEEN SENT TO THE RECIPIENT REQUESTING THAT THEY CONTACT UPS.
08/31/2007 3:48 P.M. THE PACKAGE IS DELAYED DUE TO EMERGENCY CONDITIONS BEYOND UPS' CONTROL
Seems to be screwing up everyone's deliveries. What "special event"?
September 1, 2007, 12:35 AM
I would not ut it pasted CA to do something stupid like that.
California has MORE than its share of stupid gun laws... MOUNTAINS of BS. But be realistic. The state has no budget to specifically enforce the majority of them. The state is not going to create a special law enforcement agency to inspect common carrier packages. C'MON PEOPLE! GET REAL!
Most of the stupid gun laws are enforced are by local city police officers and overjealous district attorneys. Local PD, county sheriffs, and the highway patrol enforce California's laws.
You people really think that the Baldwin Park Police Department is at the UPS distribution hub inspecting packages? GAWD!
September 1, 2007, 12:40 PM
Apparently this issue is a result of widespread "bomb threats" across the country. UPS is holding everyone's package for pickup. I called them and rescheduled my delivery for next Tuesday. UPS did not state that it was due to the bomb scare stuff,but I know we had one nearby,and that's all that qualifies as a "special event" in my area..:scrutiny:
September 1, 2007, 02:00 PM
I'm with Fred. I grew up in the Bay Area and escaped about 12 years ago. Best thing I ever did.
September 1, 2007, 03:57 PM
It was 12 years ago for me, too. February 17th, 1995, 1935 hrs., but then who pays attention to those things..........
September 1, 2007, 05:16 PM
Ok I know you guys are waiting for this. As of 5pm I still had not received the order yet. So I called ups and started to complain. I talked to some guy that was actually ok. He took my tracking number as well as my name and phone number and confirmed the address. He let me know that he would make sure dispatch was informed and he said they would call me. So at around 6:10pm I received a phone call from UPS dispatch letting me know my package will arrive in approximately 10 minutes. When the driver arrived I asked him what happened to the package yesterday. He informed me that he came by around 3pm and no one was home. I just smiled and said no one home. I asked so then what. He said he took the package back and had it set up for a today delivery.
I call B.S.
I did not want to argue with a driver on his last delivery. I did however contact ups and gave them the drivers name and asked for this to be looked into. I informed them of what there driver said and asked why my package was marked as being looked at by some kind of officials. No one could offer me an explanation. Only apologies. The package I received was all intact. Never been opened. When I opened it up it was full of the styro foam peanuts. My spray lube and size die was there. So I started sizing bullets. I donít think I will be able to go shooting tomorrow as I just sized about 200 bullets but I never was able to get around to loading any rounds as I was waiting for a stupid package all day.
If I knew it was going to be so much trouble I would have gone to my local gun shop and ordered it through them. I would have paid more money however I would have got my item by Tuesday or Wednesday this week instead of 615 on a Friday afternoon. What can I say? I really try to deal with midway however it always seems like I get doomed in the price of shipping or shipping in general. To tell you the truth I like the guys who use sups flat rate boxes. It seems like you always get them on time and the price is perfect for a lot of items. Too bad they are not all like the post office
September 1, 2007, 05:42 PM
Glad you finally got it, Scrat. My latest Midway order is slated for delivery next week . . . no apparent time delay from (numerous) earlier orders. I'll post if there's a problem.
September 1, 2007, 06:18 PM
So you mean it wasn't the California State Gun Police who illegally confiscated your package at the UPS hub??? NO!!!
September 1, 2007, 07:36 PM
I have to admit I did have the ole tinfoil on when I wrote my post, but these days you never know.:)
September 4, 2007, 09:42 AM
so, the package was never opened? Or was it resealed? If it was resealed it needs to have been done with a tape that indicates who looked at it.
Anyhow... In my state, my UPS guy has always just dropped off stuff. He doesn't even ring the doorbell... (fedex does ring the bell). It's pretty convenient, I park the truck and walk up to the door. Hard to miss a package that way.
Your UPS guy is a lot like a postal worker in that he has one route that he usually follows, so he's going to be the one you see most often. I'd work on developing a solid relationship with him if you order much stuff. He's got a LOT of control over what condition the package makes it to your door in.
September 4, 2007, 12:00 PM
Well, I'll tell you what has happened to me.
When a driver is pressed for time and does not want to stop, the package will not get delivered. Then, when I go to the carrier's tracking website, it will have an excuse, like "could not locate address." or "No one home to sign for package."
At any rate, carriers have a delivery window of, say, 5 days for normal shipping. If it gets there early and can be delayed without going outside the window, then sometimes it is delayed for the convenience of the driver.
Don't look for any satisfaction from the carrier.
September 19, 2007, 09:33 PM
"ORM-D" is also used for some chemicals, and the spray lube might have been it. (if so, the package should have said "Consumer Commodities" under the ORM-D sticker.) For ammo, it has an ORM-D sticker and says "Small Arms Ammunition".
Did you ever get a straight answer about what caused the delay?
September 19, 2007, 10:03 PM
O.K. looks like I'll have to be the one to say it to ya' SCRAT...:rolleyes:
(and by the way, I've enjoyed reading your posts on the re-loading board) .....but....
maybe if you get out of California you'll find that in many parts of the country, people chill out and don't start BB rant threads when UPS ships their package a few days late (as if that never happened before).:rolleyes:
Chill out my friend, life will go on, you'll get to have fun with your new die, and we'll all enjoy reading your posts to see how well it works out for you.
Organizations like UPS are made up of people, people screw up all the time (at least I know I do)...it's a lot nicer living in a world where you can make a mistake at work and not have to deal with "impatience rage".
Trust me....you'll save a fortune on blood pressure medication when you're my age if you invest in some chill pills today :p
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