Glock 22 or M&P .45


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EdLaver
August 30, 2007, 11:56 PM
My Brother-In-Law has shot both my new M&P .45 and Glock 22. He is torn between the two and doesn't know which to go buy. This will be his 1st gun and the primary use will be for home defense. He loves the feel and natural point angle of both guns, is accurate with both not having much of a problem with the caliber difference. He just doesnt know which to choose.:uhoh: :confused: :( I have told him that either way he goes he will be happy and not regret one from the other. In your opinions if you had to chose...which one would you pick and why?

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ognnosnim
August 31, 2007, 12:01 AM
Both are fine guns.

I go with Glock since they have never failed me. Extra mags are cheap... and all parts are readily available almost anywhere.

Glock's customer service is also top notch.

glockman19
August 31, 2007, 12:02 AM
Both are fine guns.
I go with Glock since they have never failed me.

I agree. Tell him to get the Glock

rbernie
August 31, 2007, 12:05 AM
M&P, if only for the adjustable ergos.

Monkeybear
August 31, 2007, 12:07 AM
Go with whatever is cheapest. I have limited experience with Glocks but I have still seen them jam a couple of times but they still have a longer track record than the M&P.

pablo45
August 31, 2007, 02:53 AM
Can't go wrong with the Glock and I can't go anywhere without mine.

DirksterG30
August 31, 2007, 05:41 AM
I'd go with the M&P - far superior ergonomics to the Glock.

BsChoy
August 31, 2007, 07:30 AM
I carry a G22 on the job and love the way all glocks point and handle but, I like the mag disconnect feature of the M&P series. Nobody realizes that the feature has saved more than a few lives of law enforcement officer over the passed decades.

bluecollar
August 31, 2007, 10:01 AM
Glock pistols are a lot like this A.P.B.T. lying at my feet right now. His only (original) purpose in life is to do battle (well, and to keep me company). That's what he does. That's what he is. Think of Glocks the same way. An instrument of battle, period.

W.E.G.
August 31, 2007, 10:05 AM
You BETTER like the mag-disconnect feature of the M&P.

Otherwise, S&W lets their lawyers write grafitti all over the side of your new gun.

Ghost Tracker
August 31, 2007, 10:11 AM
I'm a GLOCK fan & own several models, but handling the new S&W M&P .45 with the thumb safety (which I like) may prompt me to buy one. Reports say they're pretty accurate as well. Bowie Tactical is supposed to be able to tune-up the M&P trigger very nicely. There's a strong probability it'll be my next handgun purchase. At least part of the US Army Markmanship Team are shooting M&P pistols. That says a LOT in my mind.

tydephan
August 31, 2007, 10:17 AM
That's a tough choice.

I own a Glock 22 (2nd generation) and 2 full size M&Ps (9mm and .40cal).

Comparing the G22 and the M&P40:

These are two of my favorite guns. The Glock 22 was the first pistol I owned and it was given to me by my father. It was a used piece, so the trigger on it is spectacular for a polymer pistol. The only issue I ever had with it was the muzzle rise made it difficult for me to get accurate follow-up shots. I never had a problem with the grip of the pistol. The grip angle was ok for me. I was fairly accurate with the gun.

Enter the M&P40. Milder recoil. Much, much better ergonomics. Trigger is rough at first, but smooths out nicely after a few hundred rounds. As far as shooting and accuracy goes, it is a far superior pistol to me. I am more accurate with it than any Glock I own.

However, Glock has a helluva reliability record that the M&P has not yet built.

In addition, concerning the M&P45, every one I have seen has looked rough out of the box, as if the extractors were off previously used guns. The slightly larger grip on the M&P45 didn't feel as good as the 9 and 40 versions. With that being said, I still fully intend to purchase one at some point.

Then there's also magazine capacity to take into account. The G22 holds 15+1. The M&P45 currently holds 10+1. However recent email correspondence with Smith revealed that a 14-round magazine for the M&P45 would be released in 2-months or so.

Given these two choices, I would go with the G22, unless the M&P40 becomes an option.

Regardless, he is going to get a great pistol. Even if the M&P45 experiences issues, Smith's customer service is top notch and will pay all expenses to have it repaired. Glock's CS is very similar.

Tell him to not worry about which one...just worry about which one to buy, first. :D:D

Good luck to him.

CountGlockula
August 31, 2007, 01:15 PM
Glock.

DevilDog0402
August 31, 2007, 02:25 PM
BsChoy
Nobody realizes that the feature has saved more than a few lives of law enforcement officer over the passed decades.


I don't argue that, but I'm guessing its probably gotten a few killed as well...



My vote goes to the Glock.

Rokman
August 31, 2007, 02:54 PM
I vote Glock due to proven reliability and cheap, available mags. The M&P is probably a great gun, but I am going to give it more time on the market before I purchase one. Unless I get a screaming deal on one.

Coronach
August 31, 2007, 03:31 PM
You BETTER like the mag-disconnect feature of the M&P.

Otherwise, S&W lets their lawyers write grafitti all over the side of your new gun.It's not THAT bad. ;)I don't argue that, but I'm guessing its probably gotten a few killed as well...I dunno. I've never heard of a mag disconnect resulting in a gun not firing in the line of duty, except in instances where the officer deliberately dumped the magazine while wrestling for the gun. Not to say it couldn't happen- I've just never heard of it. I know of at least one officer who credits his status as a current air-breather to his mag-disconnect.

For a CCWer, I think it's a non-issue, one way or the other. Plus, the design of the disconnect on the M&P has basically no influence on trigger quality, unlike some other designs.

Mike

Coronach
August 31, 2007, 03:35 PM
I vote Glock due to proven reliability and cheap, available mags. The M&P is probably a great gun, but I am going to give it more time on the market before I purchase one. Unless I get a screaming deal on one.That's probably a reasonable position. I think that both are good guns, and basically do the same thing/fill the same niche. If you like the Glock's ergos and trigger, you can hardly go wrong. I don't, so I prefer the M&P. Right now the M&P's biggest drawbacks are teething issues. Some guns seem to have the finish applied poorly and are rust-prone. Some guns have magazine release issues (mostly compacts). I have every confidence that these will be ironed out, but it is something to consider.

My M&P fullsize is running like a top (no malfunctions, IIRC, for the last 1500+ rounds?), but I am watching it closely.

Mike

EdLaver
August 31, 2007, 03:44 PM
I can honestly say and I told my brother-in-law this too, that the M&P .45 I have has ran flawlessly with 200 rounds I have put through it so far. The Glock has well over 2,000 and I can count on one hand how many jams I have had (maybe 4 and thats because of low pressure reloads from a buddy). He is leaning more to the Glock right now as he and I both have been monitoring the poll and posts. He still hasnt made up his mind yet but he likes the fact that glock mags are cheaper and that he will have more capacity. But I have informed him that the M&P .45 will have higher cap mags soon too. Just being unbiased:evil:

Autolycus
August 31, 2007, 04:28 PM
Check out HK. The P2000 or USPc will be even better than the Glock.

EdLaver
August 31, 2007, 04:32 PM
HK's are out of his price range, they are a bit too expensive.

tydephan
August 31, 2007, 09:43 PM
Not that it is an issue, but I was just wondering why the choice of these two pistols, given the differing calibers. It would seem natural that he would want to choose between a G22 vs. M&P40, or G21 vs. M&P45.

I understand that these are the two guns that you had and he was able to sample. Was just curious if he had a preference of caliber and if that is a consideration for him in the decision making process?

Thanks,
John

boomstik45
August 31, 2007, 09:47 PM
You're good to go with either one.

If you want higher capacity, go with the glock. If this doesn't concern you, then I'd go with the M&P. I feel that this series is every bit as good as glock in most ways, and better in others. Again, both are fine guns.

I tire of hearing about track records, because they aren't comparable unless the weapons you are talking about have been out either an equal amount of time, or have both been out for long enough to establish a lengthy record. Glock has been out over 20 years. The M&P has barely been there a couple/few years. Comparing track record isn't fair. It's as ridiculous as comparing glock's record to the 1911, which has been around a freakin' century.

The difference for me in the two companies is Smith's willingness and follow-through to try different things until something works. And then, be willing to venture out into another direction, because innovation is an on-going thing. It doesn't stop with the successful output of one product.

Glock, on the other hand, proclaims that it has achieved perfection and sees no reason to change or branch out. It will take time, but the fact is this: lack of continued innovation and willingness to bring out a new product (or product type) will eventually take you out of first place and put you somewhere in the middle of the pack. Glock's product is good, but it's no longer dynamic, it has become static. So much so, that since S&W's ill-fated stupid Sigma idea, no company has tried to to make a glock-a-like product. They've all entered the polymer-framed pistol market, though.

Conversely, many companies have tried their hands at making 1911s. Even more recently, with companies like Taurus. Interesting, is it not? Don't care what anybody says, NOBODY is trying to make their own glock.

Mtn_USPc
August 31, 2007, 11:30 PM
I vote for the Glock, instead of a copy of a Glock.

Hoppy590
September 1, 2007, 12:08 AM
everytime you buy a glock, god kills a kitten. please, think of the kittens.

10-Ring
September 1, 2007, 01:42 AM
I'm not a fan of the 40 S&W and I'm not a fan of S&W semi auto pistols :confused: So, coming up w/ an answer has been tough. But, if I had too, I'd go w/ the M&P 45 ;0

Autolycus
September 1, 2007, 02:05 AM
I voted for the Glock simply because it has a long record of reliability. Personally if I was going to carry a .40 S&W it would be in an HK. If I wanted to carry a 9mm it would be a Glock. And a .45 would have to be in a 1911 for me.

Either way the Glock is a good choice.

EdLaver
September 2, 2007, 05:23 PM
Wow this really is a great poll, I never would have thought that it would be this close between the two. I guess it shows how great both guns really are and how hard it would be to decide despite the difference in caliber of the two.

Ala Dan
September 2, 2007, 06:25 PM
I like the look and feel of the S&W M&P .45; but we know that the Glock
.45's are one heck'eva workhorse, that ride in many LEO's leather~! ;):D

Only problem, the large frame G-21 doesn't fit me very well; and I haven't
had the chance to try a G-21SF~!

.357 magnum
September 2, 2007, 06:49 PM
I have never liked a Glock from the moment I picked them up. I do not like the ergonomics. Smith is coming out with the 14 round Mag in the .45 this month. My MP feels great, shoots great and is 100% reliable. The interchangeable grip is awesome!:) You just cannot go wrong with the MP. :cool:

The Best to You and Yours!

Frank

Anna's Dad
September 2, 2007, 07:47 PM
Don't have experience with the .45, but the M&P 9 is just fantastic. I voted for the M&P based solely on my experience with the 9 and assuming the .45 will be just as nice.

Great ergonomics, very accurate, 100% reliable so far. Love it!

MachIVshooter
September 2, 2007, 08:37 PM
everytime you buy a glock, god kills a kitten. please, think of the kittens.

LOL.

To the original post, he will honestly have to go with what feels best. The G-22 is a proven firearm, but the M&P is a first rate duty pistol. IMO, the difference between holding a glock and holding an M&P is like riding in the bed of a pickup vs. sitting in the driver seat of a Cadillac.

Anna's Dad
September 2, 2007, 08:52 PM
I vote for the Glock, instead of a copy of a Glock.

I believe you're thinking of the Sigma--not a very good copy either! The M&P is an excellent gun. Oh, and that whole kitten thing, too! :rolleyes:

KansasCityMo
September 2, 2007, 09:16 PM
I voted for M&P.

Easy for me. The ergonomics and grip angle are horrible on the Glock, I always am aiming slightly high and when I adjust it is very uncomfortable.

Which brings me to my next point. The poll probably shouldn't matter, he should get whatever feels best. If it feels good he will shoot it more often and be a more reliable shooter in a home defense situation.

quickcanary
September 3, 2007, 07:48 PM
Glock, on the other hand, proclaims that it has achieved perfection and sees no reason to change or branch out. It will take time, but the fact is this: lack of continued innovation and willingness to bring out a new product (or product type) will eventually take you out of first place and put you somewhere in the middle of the pack. Glock's product is good, but it's no longer dynamic, it has become static.

That is a good point, but I'm not sure how I feel about it right now.

On one hand, Glock has a proven design that just works. People buy Glocks because they like what the Glock is -- a simple, durable, no-frills design that combines light weight and high capacity. There is a Glock out there for you no matter what caliber and size of pistol that you prefer. It might be interesting to see what Glock could come up with for a new model, but it would be silly IMO to tack on unnecessary bells and whistles as that's taking away from what the Glock was designed to be.

They have made some strides with the SF models, but those obviously aren't a huge departure from the regular Glocks. If they did anything, I'd like to see them experiment with a more ergonomic grip and/or a "better" trigger pull and see where that takes them, since those are the two main things that I see people complain about. Some people like the way a Glock feels in hand, others like everything else about the Glock but think it feels like a brick. Who knows how many more Glocks would be sold if they felt like an XD or M&P in the hand? It wouldn't change the reliability of the gun and would make it more comfortable to shoot for many, many people. I have no real complaints with the grip of my third gen 19 but I will say it doesn't fit my hand like a glove the way a CZ or M&P seems to.

As far as the trigger, many people would probably love to see Glocks come with a DA/SA trigger but once again, that's not what the Glock was designed to be. It's DAO with a short reset for a reason. But I like options, and I'll admit it might increase sales if Glock offered different trigger configurations like Sig and HK saw fit to do. It certainly shouldn't hurt sales, as people who like the Glock trigger the way it is now would be able to keep buying them and people who wanted a different trigger could have that option, too. But thorough research and testing would certainly be required, as if a new trigger design was poorly implemented it might lead to even more complaints.

All that being said, I would lean toward the Glock considering he loves the feel of both guns and the M&Ps ergos aren't really a factor. But I have to concur with tydephan: why is the choice between a Glock in .40 and the M&P in .45? Surely he has a caliber preference... If not, why not consider a Glock in .45 or the M&P in .40?

boomstik45
September 4, 2007, 01:44 AM
Quickcanary,

That's precisely what I mean. Glock doesn't have to come up with a whole new weapon per se. They could just create some options grip and trigger-wise as you stated. But they refuse. Even with the 21SF, they didn't take as much of that wasted backstrap space out as they could have. But hey, like you said, the design works. It IS a tool first and foremost. I really have an appreciation for their weapon. I just think it could be better than the perfection they claim it to be.

And while this was certainly a business decision, I notice world-dominating shooter Julie Goloski has left Glock and gone to Smith & Wesson.

I take that back: glock DOES need to come up with a few new weapons. Carbines, first and foremost. If they were really smart, they'd take the road kel-tec started down and make carbines for their pistol calibers. They'd probably even beat Kel-Tec at their own game. Once they got the hang of it, they could make carbines in rifle caliber. Smith & Wesson has it right, you have to admit: they have both the M&P pistol and the M&P ARs. Talk about a double whammy. See? The Austrians are gonna get hiney sores from resting on their laurels...:neener::neener:

EdLaver
September 4, 2007, 11:34 AM
The reason the caliber choice isnt an issue for him is because he didnt have an issue controlling either one so bullet size doesnt matter. Also, those were the choices I had present at the time for him to try. The real issue is basically which is the best ergo fit and accuracy which he likes with both.

But as I said in a previous post he is leaning more toward the Glock becaus of lower overall and magazine prices. Eventually I am sure he will get both but for now it seems Friday he will pick up the Glock. I will post pics of the winner as he may even change his mind by Friday Sept 7.

1 LT MPC
September 4, 2007, 11:55 AM
I vote Glock--who needs anything else?:confused:

Obiwan
September 6, 2007, 11:56 AM
Long time Glock owner/shooter and recent M&P convert

Good point on Mag prices...they are almost double

But for me.....the M&P's are simply more natural shooters

And I have zero use for .40 cal:neener:

EdLaver
September 8, 2007, 01:56 AM
Here's the winner, even though he put an M&P .45 on layaway also!:D

tydephan
September 8, 2007, 09:54 AM
Here's the winner, even though he put an M&P .45 on layaway also!

Excellent. I love my G22. It will serve him well.

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