I need an expert on Winchester Ranger.


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Legendsedge
August 31, 2007, 05:32 AM
I've read a ton about the different types of Winchester Ranger ammo in 40 S&W, and I'm still not sure I understand. Let me know if this is correct:
1) Black Talons were the original design distinguished by a black bullet with six "pedals"
2) Ranger SXT's were next with a copper bullet with eight "pedals" (RA40SXT)
(I've also heard that early versions still used the original black six pedal bullet)
3) Ranger T-series or "Talons" (R40T) are the current production with a six "pedal" design like the original, but are a significant improvement over both the original "Black Talon" and the Ranger SXT's.
4) There are at least two other extremely inferior rounds that are also sold under the Ranger label: (RA30180HP) which is just a standard HP (hollowpoint) round instead of the SXT or T-series, and the (RA40180HP) which is also just a standard hollowpoint round, but is also subsonic.
5) The civilian version is now the Supreme T-series (S40) which also has eight "pedals" similar to the SXT, but has been "defanged" and doesn't have the sharp expanding tips (significantly inferior to both the Ranger SXT's and the Ranger T-series.

Can someone who is an expert in these matters please help me out, and let me know if any of this is correct?

Thanks in advance. :)

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Jack2427
September 1, 2007, 02:08 AM
You are close, but in actuality the Ranger SXT or T ammo is excellent. The other Ranger ammo is not necessarily "greatly inferior" just another type of expansion. Many of the opinions expressed by "gun writers" are heresay, and not based on real experience. I have not shot real people with all the Ranger stuff, but I have actually fired just about every Ranger style available in 9 and 40. I like the SXT and T the best, but any of the Ranger line will do its part if you do yours. I don't do fancy gell stuff, I use water filled milk jugs and water soaked phone books, and the odd carton stuffed with dry phone book pages.
If you place your rounds accurately(center of BG mass), just about any Ranger round in either caliber will do nicely. I don't test 45s because I feel just about any well placed available 45 round will do nicely, even the despised FMJ service round. I have been carrying weapons professionally for 47 years and have seen people survive just about anything short of a 50 BMG hit, and succumb to a 22 short. Projectile effect is based on placement which is a lot like real estate, location, location, location.

Soybomb
September 1, 2007, 03:06 AM
just to help you out a little petal like flower, not pedal like bike. ;)

Snowdog
September 1, 2007, 07:25 AM
These 147gr Winchester Ranger 9mms fired from my K9 into Play-Do have 6 bicycle pedals. Seriously though, that sounded spot on to me, from my understanding at least.

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