Best Value Gun Safe?


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jbauch357
September 1, 2007, 01:33 AM
Apologize if this has already been discussed, search function isn't working - I am just beginning my investigations on this...

I am looking for the best value in a gun safe, meaning I want a good safe but not something that is top of the line and will cost a fortune nor do I want a piece of crap.

Looking to store up to 10 long guns and up to 5 pistols, plus a large cache of ammo.

Thanks in advance for any recommendations!

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Eyesac
September 1, 2007, 01:39 AM
I bought a American Security safe for about $600. Wasn't the top of the line or anything (in fact, it's their import line) but it's all I could ever need and more. Check them out.

CB900F
September 1, 2007, 05:30 AM
Jbauch357;

A good value in an RSC seems to be the Winchester line, made by Granite in Texas, usually found in Sam's Club/Wal-Mart stores.

Search the term RSC, you should get plenty of hits.

900F

Rembrandt
September 1, 2007, 07:55 AM
...I am looking for the best value in a gun safe, meaning I want a good safe but not something that is top of the line and will cost a fortune nor do I want a piece of crap.

Term "value" implies getting the most for the dollars spent. Better to ask the question, "will it meet your needs?"

- Size
- how much fire protection do you want?
- storage for guns and documents?
- will your long guns fit the interior layout?
- handguns storage (how much is needed?)
- humidity control
- lighting
- type of lock
- can you get through doorways in your home
- how will you move it, how often?

Answering those questions will weed out most safes from the selection process.

Silver Bullet
September 1, 2007, 01:28 PM
I also like American Security.

glockman19
September 1, 2007, 01:47 PM
I also have an American Security. Not a large one but it will hold up to 20 rifles. paid $459.

http://www.amsecusa.com/gun-safes-LP-main.htm

strat81
September 1, 2007, 02:11 PM
Value is relative. Specify your price limit. There might be a $750 safe out there that is PERFECT in every way you need it to be, but if you only have $400...

Oh and I'll say it before everyone else does:
RSCs suck. If you can buy it at Sam's Club it sucks. You only want it to hold 10 guns now, but you should buy a safe big enough for at least 1,378 guns PLUS your wife's jewelry and the gold in Fort Knox, cash, ammo, your signed copy of The Bible, and the Seinfeld Season 4 DVD Box Set. If it weighs more than 600 pounds, it'll be near-impossible to steal. Safes weighing less than 1000 are easy to steal. Putting ammo into a safe will turn it into a bomb and you'll obliterate the entire county. Anyone can break into any safe, vault, or RSC at any time using only a paper clip, a bottle of whiskey, and a Dremel. And they can do it in 2 minutes with no noise.

dogtown tom
September 1, 2007, 02:47 PM
strat81: ... Putting ammo into a safe will turn it into a bomb ...

No it won't.

Pistol or rifle ammunition (unless chambered) simply bursts the cartridge case. It doesn't detonate,it ignites and burns.

Black powder a bomb? Yes, because BP is an explosive. That is why BP has specific storage instructions to NOT be stored in a typical gunsafe, but instead in a wooden or thin walled metal cabinet.

igpoobah
September 1, 2007, 03:09 PM
I do believe the last part of his post was firmly tongue-in- cheek. :D

jbauch357
September 1, 2007, 04:06 PM
Thanks everybody for the feedback!!!

OK, some more specifics on what exactly I am looking for...

- Storage for up to 10 rifles/shotguns/muzzleloaders
- Storage for up to 5 pistols
- Storage for 5k: 9mm and .22 lr, and 500: 30-06, .357, .38 special,
- Fire protectant, but I have minimal requirements here
- Dial or electronic lock doesn't matter to me yet (need to do more research)
- Must fit through standard door jam
- Weight, the heavier the better - I have friends, dollies and lift-gate trucks available
- Price up to $750

Mainly I am looking for something sturdy that will hold a moderate cache of weapons/ammo, that will keep somebody from breaking in and steeling all of my weapons, and is heavy enough to not be moved out by your average thug.

Sounds like the LP series American Security safes are going to be perfect. I think the LP 5924W will fit the bill...

cpttango30
September 1, 2007, 09:44 PM
If you have a Gander Mtn clost by go in and check out there safes. I got a Timber Ridge (Made By Liberty) for around $700 it is a 23 gun safe with 3 shelves and a top shelf. Mine has a S&G combo lock on it with a key to lock the dial.
I have 5 rifles and 1 shot gun in the picture. Space is kind of tight but you could it ten on one side it you do it right. I think Cannon or Browning has a system where you can put them in in alternating directions (One muzzle up one muzzle down). So you can fit more guns in the safe. If I were to do it over I would have gotten a wide body safe to allow more room to get rifles in and out. I just make sure to put the most shot rifles in the front of the safe. Many of them come in an array of colores and finishes with gold or chrome finishes and a few have the black chrome (Which when paired with the right color looks very sharp)

http://www.libertysafe.com/
http://www.cannonsafe.com/
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/safes/index.asp
http://www.ftknox.com/

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l134/cpttango30/SD530015.jpg

Geno
September 1, 2007, 10:00 PM
Point of rationality and firearms "safes" are incompatible. There are "cabinets", "safes" and true "vaults". There are professionals around here who know 10X what I do, but I can tell you there are basically three levels of security as aforementioned. Each level is progressively more secure, but none infallible. Cost rises with each level, and the final level is considerable. Begin where you can and escalate security.

Closing notes: there are companies that sell "security" items for safe rooms and for vault interiors which would render any damned fool regretful of breeching the device. Again, cost. A second parting word of wisdom: never disclose the make of your vaults. Lack of prior knowledge to be able plan is significant protection. Third and final parting words, there are scum who surf The High Road seeking information Re: firearms and location. I have seen it with my own eyes at certain criminal-oriented sites. Be careful what you disclose. here.

Ala Dan
September 2, 2007, 10:41 AM
I know that I will get flamed for this comment, but I have my flame
retardent suit on so here goes:

I needed a RSC that would keep the "smash and grab" crowd and my now
three year old grand-daughter out of its contents. So, I went with the 23
gun "LIBERTY COLONIAL SERIES" RSC. I have other options of security
installed as well; but thus far the "pretty painted" [woodland green/gold
trim/brass hardware] RSC has done its job. Besides, there is always a
gun savy person at home; as our work schedules vary from week to week.

FootNote: One thing any good thief needs is time~! If not given the time,
chances are good that any attempt would be dealt with by gun fire~!:uhoh:;)

eflatminor
September 2, 2007, 12:04 PM
I went to a safe dealer (Dean Security in CA) and found an older model Cannon Traditional Series, which they were keen to move to make room for the 2008 models coming in. Saved quite a bit of money doing it that way.

Zen21Tao
September 2, 2007, 12:33 PM
I went with the 23 gun "LIBERTY COLONIAL SERIES" RSC. I have other options of security installed as well; but thus far the "pretty painted" [woodland green/gold trim/brass hardware] RSC has done its job.

Same here, I have a 23 gun Liberty Colonial that serves me well. Of course, I have never had a break in to test it, but I am confident that it is enough to defeat the casual "smash and grab" thief.

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2717/2001881471239477112rsqn7.jpg

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/7783/2000413189831492930rsas6.jpg

Geno
September 2, 2007, 02:48 PM
Re: the criminal-oriented sites that I mentioned previously, I think (not positive) that it was Jeff White who cautioned me when I was new here to not give too much info due to such cites. I have since lost the bookmark.

Does anyone else still have the link to some of the sites where the members (other sites) have suggested visiting THR looking for theft targets? It was a heck of an eye-opening read!

Doc2005

Im283
September 2, 2007, 02:57 PM
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Quickdraw McGraw
September 2, 2007, 08:55 PM
Not to hijack this thread. I was in the same boat as jbauch357 until about a week ago. I wanted a safe for a few years now but didn't want to buy a cheap one or small one but didn't have enough $ for a good one. So I didn't buy one. Kept all my guns in our gun (smash and grab) cabinet.

By sister in law worked with a lady who's sister had a Champion Tropy Safe she wanted to sell as she needed cash. She wanted $800 and my wife and I offered her $500 cash and that was that. Her and her husband even delivered it and helped bring it in the house. I never have anything good like this happen to me, until now. New these safe's might be more than what jbauch357 wants to pay by it is one nice heavy duty safe! Anyhow, Good Luck jbauch357 keep us posted and throw in a few pics when you get it!

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee267/Metzy84/Safe4.jpg

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee267/Metzy84/Safe3.jpg

jbauch357
September 3, 2007, 03:13 AM
so as I do more research on this, I have a couple questions. sorry if these are dumb questions, I've obviosuly just recently started researching the matter...

1. RSC (residential security container - I just learned that tonight) - how do I differentiate between this and a full security safe?

2. Is it realistic to think I will be able to find a true safe that will fit my requirements for under $750?

Ala Dan
September 3, 2007, 10:22 AM
A true "safe" for under $750, NO; a RSC for under $750, YES a Liberty
Centurion for $599~! :scrutiny:;):D Most of the safe experts on board here
will tell you a real "safe" would start at 'bout $3500 and go well
beyond $20,000.

CB900F
September 3, 2007, 11:22 AM
Jbauch357;

The telling difference between a real safe and an RSC is this: In order for U.L. to rate a container as a safe, all 6 sides must be, as a minimum, 1/4" plate steel. If it isn't plate steel, it isn't a safe, it's an RSC.

Note. Total wall or door thickness does not count. Many companies use a sheet metal wrap over insulation, usually gypsum wall board, to give the appearance of massive protection. However, compromising sheet metal is almost literally child's play. Then going through the wallboard underneath isn't much work either. Finally, the final protective barrier - shag carpet.

It's a sad fact that Ala Dan is correct. True safe prices are high & climbing due to the rapid rise in both metals prices & fuel. I see this as a direct consequence of moving the world's manufacturing capacity to the PRC. If someone who reads this wants a true safe, get it now. Delay three or four gun purchases & get the safe. From what I've seen in the last three years, you'll save a significant amount of money if you do.

Just my .02, but it's an informed .02.

900F

LoadedDrum
September 3, 2007, 12:11 PM
The telling difference between a real safe and an RSC is this: In order for U.L. to rate a container as a safe, all 6 sides must be, as a minimum, 1/4" plate steel. If it isn't plate steel, it isn't a safe, it's an RSC.


This is probably an oxymoron, but what is the least expensive U.L. rated safe?

CB900F
September 3, 2007, 03:26 PM
Loaded;

I don't have an answer for you. I don't even pretend to know all the manufacturer's in this country, let alone worldwide.

In the U.S.A. finding a used Diebold or Mosler is possible. Sometimes they can be had for just moving it out. However, neither to my knowledge ever made a dedicated gun safe. As far as gun safes go, the three I deal with most are AMSEC, Brown, and Graffunder. I'm a Graffunder dealer and can almost always beat the price of the other two. But, that being said, they ain't cheap! Then, to add insult to injury, the steel & fuel prices are driving up the costs of safes in a rapid fashion. Every time I get a new order in, I have to charge more.

If you are interested, PM me.

900F

Geno
September 4, 2007, 03:41 PM
Here is the link for Brown Safe Manufacturing's Gallery:

http://www.brownsafe.com/categories/80AA8945-93FF-B7FB-5222AD3CB62AEFFF/gallery.htm

:what: Me want!!!!!

Doc2005

Im283
September 4, 2007, 03:55 PM
^^^^^^^
I am with you Doc, but then my safe would about triple the cost of my guns.
No very cost effective. Gotta live in the real world.

an RSC ( there I used that term) is better then nothing and certainly better than a metal gun locker. At least there is some minimal fire protection.
And anyway if my home torches to the point that the safe melts down my problems are a lot bigger than a few handguns and rifles. But the RSC will keep a smash and grab out and more importantly the little ones in my life who are more of a concern than burglars.

Im283
September 4, 2007, 03:56 PM
Doc, any luck on those websites

Mainsail
September 4, 2007, 05:24 PM
Every other week, when this topic comes up, I post this:

I listed my priorities thusly:

Price All the justifications for spending four figures have little meaning if I donít have that kind of money to spend. Yes, I would love to own a huge gun safe that can withstand a near strike with a thermonuclear warhead, but I need something now, not in 20 years when I have enough money for one.

Some fire resistance. OK, there hasnít been a house that burned to the ground here in as long as I can remember. The fire department, unlike the police, has a really fast response time here in the city. All I need is 15 or 20 minutes, tops; then my house getís flooded by a bunch of bored firemen.

Lock. I wanted an electronic lock for speed of opening, but I wanted a mechanical lock in case a fire melts the keypad or the electronics get jumbled. (The electronic locks have a plastic membrane keypad)

Room enough. I have three long guns and five handguns. I donít need a vault with a wet bar.

Theft resistance. I donít need something that will stop a motivated professional team of burglars, I just need something that will stop the normal smash-&-grabber or a teenager. In reality, with a high school only five blocks away, teenagers are my biggest threat. If I lived way out in the country, I might need something that takes a long time and torches to open, but here, no.

I looked at one of the $180 large steel cabinets, the ones with a key lock. That would satisfy my lock requirement since itís quick and safe from electronic bugs. I didnít like the lack of fire resistance and there was also a pretty wide gap around the doors. They might keep my kid out, but I had little confidence it would keep out a determined teen or regular burglar.

After a lot of looking I bought this one (http://www.directsafes.com/gun-safe.cfm?ProductID=529)for $465 delivered to my house. Itís fire resistant, has an electronic lock with an emergency key backup (to use the key you have to pretty much destroy the electronic lock), thick walls and hard-plate, and at 300 pounds empty, nobodyís going to be toting it away while Iím at work.

CB900F
September 5, 2007, 12:22 AM
Fella's;

I have no argument with Mainsail's stand. I've always said that if you can't get a safe, find the least expensive RSC with the features you need & buy it.

I will add, as is also done every other week or so, bolt it down. Mainsail; 300 lbs is literally no problem. Even loaded with ammo & all the other stuff, you can't get it heavy enough to present a large problem to somebody who wants it, if it isn't firmly attached to the structure. I do know what I'm talking about here. As a point, we just took a large Liberty, weighed about 1500 lbs or so, out of a basement & moved it to the customer's new house. That took specialized equipment, true. But you'd be surprised at what I can make off with, with minimal equipment.

900F

CB900F
September 5, 2007, 12:29 AM
Fella's;

If you're gonna check the Brown Safe site, please also check www.graffundersafes.com. I can answer any questions you might have concerning the product.

900F

Charles Foxtrot
September 5, 2007, 12:36 AM
+1 on Winchester / Sam's Club. Not as thick of metal as I'd like, though. Next safe will be stouter.

Heard good things about the Browning safes. Lowes has "Executive" safes for a good price.

Mainsail
September 5, 2007, 12:37 AM
Trust me, I wish I could bolt it down! I’m renting this house (duplex) and there are hardwood floors. To bolt it down I’d have to drill into the floor, which I couldn’t hide come move-out day. How do I find the floor joist? With my luck I’d just end up with a hole that goes into the crawl space under the house.

You did pretty much sum up my entire post with a short easy line:
…find the least expensive RSC with the features you need & buy it.

jbauch357
September 6, 2007, 09:40 PM
OK, so I found this safe locally for $399 and no tax. I think it's a pretty good deal, and will hold all of my guns/ammo with a little room to grow. I think I just need to go for it - thoughts?

http://www.sentrysafe.com/products/productDetail.aspx?s=149

RM
September 6, 2007, 11:20 PM
I think you would be better served by the Winchester safe from Sam's Club.

Atticus
September 6, 2007, 11:35 PM
I've got a Champion Trophy that I'm very happy with. I got mine at a scratch and dent sale. Buffed out the minor scratches and it looks like new. I think they are a good value in the RSC category regardless. If you place it properly and get creative with side and top protection it's damn adequate.

dstorm1911
September 6, 2007, 11:39 PM
yep I use a Winchester as a decoy in the main house a thief needs at least 30 minutes of undisturbed time to get into it and a metal cutting hole saw 30 minutes is enough to keep him from lookin around for the real stuff..... until one of us blows him straight to hell...

1/4" thick walls

560lbs so he isn't just going to carry it out the door

rated for 36 guns but maxes out at 20 if they have scopes pistol grips etc...

Fire resistant etc...

$500 at Wally world



The sentry your talkin about can be popped open in 30 seconds with a small pry bar....... I know that for a fact as a friend lost his key I used one side of my gerber multitools plier jaws and popped it in one try....

Its also the type of cabinet the lil boys stole the guns from they used to shoot up Columbine HS............. and they weren't profesional crooks if your gonna use a sheet metal cabinet ya'd be better off just buying a heavy sheet metal door and a few deadbolts to turn a closet into a "safe" that will actually offer more protection than the sheet metal cabinets do....

M2Pilot
September 7, 2007, 12:07 AM
I've been thinking about getting a bigger safe. I looked at Stack-Ons at Dicks Sporting Goods a few days ago. They have a big (approx. 45" wide) safe on sale this week for $999 or so. At first glance it looked like a good value,but-I went to see it at one DSG & the staff there couldn't open it. I went to the other DSG in town to see it & the electric combination pad wasn't on the safe. The clerk said kids had been messing with it & screwed it up so they sent the combo pad back for repair. I think I'll keep looking.

jbauch357
September 7, 2007, 12:38 AM
Well, I picked it up - figured it's better than nothing at all. If down the line I decide the build quality isn't up to snuff I can sell it for what I paid (or a small loss) and step up to something better.

Thanks for all the feedback, it's been much appreciated!

a1abdj
September 7, 2007, 12:48 AM
yep I use a Winchester as a decoy in the main house a thief needs at least 30 minutes of undisturbed time to get into it and a metal cutting hole saw 30 minutes is enough to keep him from lookin around for the real stuff..... until one of us blows him straight to hell...

1/4" thick walls

Just to keep it real.....

UL burglar rated safes rated at 15 minutes against brute force typically have 1" solid steel walls. A quarter of the steel could easily equal a quarter of the time (if they are motivated). Of course that 15 minute rating isn't even for the body, it's for the door, which is 1.5".

I've seen cheapie cabinets keep druggies out for hours. I've also seen jewelers safes cut up like swiss cheese in a matter of an hour or so. It really depends on the thief, but it's best to prepare for the worst. If you need 30 minutes of protection, you should buy a safe rated at 30 minutes. No gun safe is going to do that.

Kilgor
September 7, 2007, 12:52 AM
1/4" thick walls

560lbs so he isn't just going to carry it out the door

rated for 36 guns but maxes out at 20 if they have scopes pistol grips etc...

Fire resistant etc...

$500 at Wally world

Too keep it more real...

Your figures are wrong for the Sam's club / Wal-Mart safe.


1/10" steel walls, not 1/4".

Rated for 24 guns, not 36.

$600, not $500.


Big differences.

trainwreck100
September 7, 2007, 01:03 AM
Just got a Cannon American Eagle 24 gun a few weeks back, may not be the best in the world, but reasonable price, 700 pounds, about $500, and nobody can beat the warranty, lifetime curb-side warranty for fire, flood, break-in, or attempted break-in. 30 minute fire, and reasonably pry-resistant design.

jeepmor
September 18, 2007, 10:47 AM
Okay, my turn.

$1000 budget for an RSC. No, I cannot afford a real safe. But with a ankle biter due in 2 months and it being a boy, I will need to making a purchase within a year or so. I only want to buy this thing once if I can help it.

If I get a huge promotion or something of that nature, I'll upgrade. But for now, I want the very best product my $1000 will get me and the most capacity I can get and still maintain decent security.

I own my home, bolting it to the floor is not an issue for me.

klcmschlesinger
September 18, 2007, 11:19 AM
Does anyone know anything about Sturdy Gun Safe's. I got a quote from them last night for a 36gun safe that was really pretty good. Includes shipping, 8 guage steel. I realize it is still not a real safe, but from all accounts would seem to be better than most brand name safes you can buy in stores.

HKUSP45C
September 18, 2007, 11:37 AM
$1000 budget for an RSC. No, I cannot afford a real safe. But with a ankle biter due in 2 months and it being a boy, I will need to making a purchase within a year or so. I only want to buy this thing once if I can help it.

Not to get all up in your finances but, if you were to sock away $25 bucks a week for the next year, you could afford a very nice TL-15 or used TL-30 SAFE (not RSC). You'd have $2,200 to play with that way. Just a crazy thought since your needs are so far away from the present and you already have the 1K seed money.

My admittedly uninformed opinion.

Sturdy Gun Safe, Mfg.
October 1, 2007, 08:51 PM
Check out these threads of people who talk about our safes for more info:
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144253&page=3
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=48304&highlight=sturdy+gun+safe

Sturdy Gun Safe, Mfg.
October 1, 2007, 08:52 PM
If you like, I can get you more threads.

KC&97TA
October 2, 2007, 12:58 AM
Black powder a bomb? Yes, because BP is an explosive. That is why BP has specific storage instructions to NOT be stored in a typical gunsafe, but instead in a wooden or thin walled metal cabinet.

I have a can of FFF black powder, packed tight in the can, strapped to the inside of RSC, try to torch it ;) no that's not boobie trapped, that is called 'not proper storage' and I have insurance. There's a sticker out the outside warning "black powder stored inside, do not heat with flame".

I won't point you to which brand RSC or Safe... just a few points to ponder:

- If you own 4 long guns and 4 hand guns... buy a safe big enough for 12 long guns and 12 hand guns. Why? Because; magazines, binoculars, gps, ammo, speed loaders, surefire flashlights, batteries of all sorts, knifes, gloves, slings, extra scopes, extra sights, manufactures cases, conversion kits, holsters, cleaning gear, ear muffs, glasses, gerbers, tools, paper work, all end up in the safe... trust me and then come a few more guns.

- consider what you have for guns... if you need to store, 4 AR15's and 3 AK47's, you will need a safe that holds 14 rifles, those "ergonomic, big magazined semi-automatic rifles, with pistol grips, boom sticks and flash lights" take up 3 times more space than a rugger 10/22 with no scope, or a remmy 870 20 gauge youth model... it's discrimination against Black Guns.

- consider how you want the RSC or Safe set up, I have more pistols than long guns, and like haveing 1/2 shelfs and 1/2 for long guns, I have 4 shelves on the one side, not very big spaces, but enough to place a couple pistols in and have thier magazines with them seperated from other pistols with different magazines. Some have a huge lower space for alot of long guns and a couple of shelves accross the top.

- Get a couple buddies and a refridgerator dolly to move the RSC/SAFE, it'll save your back and the flooring, moveing a 600lb box isn't fun. Home Depot rents these dollys for $12 a day, they're worth it.

- Decide were you're going to place it, measure, measure, measure where it's going and how you're getting it there. Remember "out of sight out of mind", who needs to break into a safe, when you can just wait for the owner to come home and open it at gun point.

Gunnerpalace
October 2, 2007, 01:36 AM
Don't let the "save up" crowd get you down get what you can as soon as you can keep in mind you could be broken into while you are saving up for the uber-imortal safe, and then what can you say, in my opinion if it is rated **********-DOJ you should in theory be safe from lawsuits, as for fire better something than nothing.

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