M&P J-frames: A question


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JMag
September 2, 2007, 10:24 PM
The S&W website just states that the finish is blued. Do the M&P j-frame revolvers have a special/durable blue-type finish or are they simply blued?

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DAdams
September 2, 2007, 11:12 PM
340/360 Coating

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I posted this a few months back on the M&P 340 Club Forum.

Here is what my research has revealed.

IonBond

ADLC
Amorphous Diamond Like Carbon. An amorphous carbon material with mostly sp3 bonding that exhibits many of the desirable properties of diamond and graphite.

Advantages of the process:

Extreme toughness of coatings
High loading capacity of certain tools (but long cycle times)
Items to be coated do not require rotation within the retort
Possible to coat complex geometries, including certain inner diameters
Excellent coating uniformity, independent of part geometry

My guess is that it is the same material on this Kershaw Knife.

http://www.ionbond.com/pix/files/knife.pdf

Hardness (HV) 4000.

http://www.ionbond.com/

Rohrbaugh's new "stealth version", is coated with "Diamond Black DLC".
Recall the S&W M&P spec sheet calls the coating: "Ion Bond BLACK Diamond Finish".

I have the similiar coating on the stainless slide of my Kahr PM9.
Here is their description, look familiar?

"Tungsten Diamond Like Carbide (DLC)
The KP9094 matte stainless slide is blackened using an ultra hard and super thin coating called Tungsten DLC. This coating has been used successfully in the knife industry to protect blades from corrosion and scratches."

On my Kahr I have used Outers Tri-Care that came with a cleaning kit, I have used it to clean the barrel and wipe down the exterior finish and including cleaning the interior of the slide with the Tri-Care to get rid of powder residue with no ill effects.

ewayte from the S&W Forum contributes:

"The S&W Product Guide lists it as IonBond DiamondBLACK. The manual states, "Ammoniated solvents or other strong alkaline solvents, should not be used on any Smith & Wesson firearm."

More good information on the 340.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=282173

JMag
September 2, 2007, 11:16 PM
Thanks for the quick reply. That's what I was hoping for given the asking price.

Jim K
September 2, 2007, 11:28 PM
Assuming by M&P you mean the Model 10 revolver, it is not a J frame; it is a K frame or what S&W now calls a medium frame.

Jim

otomik
September 2, 2007, 11:39 PM
Assuming by M&P you mean the Model 10 revolver, it is not a J frame; it is a K frame or what S&W now calls a medium frame.negative, http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=53915&langId=-1&isFirearm=Y
the M&P line now seems to include S&W branded CMT manufactured AR pattern rifles, M&P Polymer Autos, an N-Frame 8-shot 327, J-Frame 340 and 360.

curiously on their website the model 10 is not referred to as an M&P at all.

JMag
September 3, 2007, 12:22 AM
Assuming by M&P you mean the Model 10 revolver, it is not a J frame; it is a K frame or what S&W now calls a medium frame.

Jim

I meant what I typed; J frame M&P.

Gary A
September 3, 2007, 01:06 AM
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=53911&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15704&isFirearm=Y

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=53915&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15704&isFirearm=Y

Ron James
September 3, 2007, 03:15 AM
I'm sorry, I've been around the world twice, been to a county fair and saw a buzzard fly upside down, but I've never seen a Smith and Wesson J Frame Miltary and Police ( Model 10).:confused:

ugaarguy
September 3, 2007, 03:35 AM
I'm sorry, I've been around the world twice, been to a county fair and saw a buzzard fly upside down, but I've never seen a Smith and Wesson J Frame Miltary and Police ( Model 10)
Like they said above, S&W has now stuck the M&P name on a bunch of guns other than the original M&P K Frame hand ejectors.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson/upload/images/firearms/163072_large.jpg

http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson/upload/images/firearms/170292_large.jpg

Both images from www.smith-wesson.com

ArchAngelCD
September 3, 2007, 03:40 AM
Different M&P weapons from S&W have been available for years. I guess you people haven't seen a S&W catalog or been on the S&W site for years.

Highland Ranger
September 3, 2007, 09:22 AM
One of those j-frames comes with the crimson trace hadngrips . . . . and it is a j-frame.

Old Fuff
September 3, 2007, 09:49 AM
For over a century handgun fans knew that an “M&P” was a Smith & Wesson revolver, and that M&P stood for “Military & Police. This arm became a classic, and potential buys didn’t have to inquire as to what kind of blue or other finish they had.

Unfortunately, the company’s present sales/advertising department hasn’t got the intellect to come up with new names for new products, and so has decided to stamp (or engrave) M&P on anything that comes along.

In keeping with this trend the Old Fuff has decided that hereafter, the designation “M&P should stand for “Mostly Plastic.”

DAdams
September 3, 2007, 10:15 AM
M&P
In keeping with this trend the Old Fuff has decided that hereafter, the designation “M&P should stand for “Mostly Plastic.”



340 with optional CT 405 with S&W Logo.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/dmadams/P5210023.jpg
Not much plastic is this one. A little in the grips.

"What it is, what it was, and what it shall be". Only the marketing folks know for certain.

Old Fuff
September 3, 2007, 11:28 AM
I guess you don’t recognize a rant when you read one... :D

Anyway my objection is their mudding the waters by using a well-known name on different products. I think that S&W made a basic mistake back in 1957 when they started using model numbers in place of names. While computes prefer numbers people relate better to names. Neither Colt nor Ruger made this mistake and on their part there is much less confusion. If I should submit a post on a Ruger Blackhawk or Colt Detective Special very few readers will not know what I writing about. :scrutiny:

Any competent sales or advertising department knows, or should know, that any renaming of products that causes customer confusion is probably a bad move.

It is my belief that the days of the venerable Military & Police (model 10) revolver may be limited, but they could have waited until the body was buried before they recycled its name.

Jim Watson
September 3, 2007, 12:41 PM
I didn't know about the revolver aliases, and consider the dilution of the trademark deplorable.
I always call the automatic the "Plastic M&P" to avoid confusion.

vanilla_gorilla
September 3, 2007, 01:53 PM
Anyway my objection is their mudding the waters by using a well-known name on different products.

You mean like calling some new abomination with an internal lock and crappy checkering the "Registered Magnum"? :rolleyes:

Old Fuff, I don't care particularly about the model numbers, but I think S&W is desperately trying to capitalize on any known name they can to bring in another buck. Sad.

Different M&P weapons from S&W have been available for years. I guess you people haven't seen a S&W catalog or been on the S&W site for years.

Nope. Don't really care what S&W has done with their guns in the past decade, other than a shameful side thought about the lock (and now this thing with the M&P designation). The only S&W guns I care about were made before I was born in 1980.

Ron James
September 3, 2007, 05:08 PM
Well, I stand corrected. I have been around the world twice, been to a county fair, watched a buzzard fly upside down, and now I've seen a J frame Smith and Wesson stamped " Military and Police". I dam* sure won't let my daughter carry one of those mislabeled and corrupted things. Oh the shame of it, all those post on TEOTW were correct, the world is coming to an end.:rolleyes:

pcmike
September 4, 2007, 02:46 AM
DAdams,

Very nice revolver. How do you like it? Do you carry it daily? And if you don't mind me asking, around how much did you pay and from where (locally or online)? Also, are there any other forums you'd recommend for reading up on the 340/360 series?

Thanks for your time.

DAdams
September 4, 2007, 12:10 PM
Regarding the "now I have seen everything" J Frame with M&P on it. :D
AKA M&P 340. :eek:

This thread has gone from a frame finish to now far afield so keeping in the spirit, what the heck. ;) I'll press on regardless.

I have not found much information on the the M&P with the exception of a few posts here and there on the S&W site. Even those weren't meaty.

I started a "Club" Thread a few months ago and have tried to accumulate information when I run across it.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=282173

There have been some gun magazine reviews but I haven't seen them.

I purchased it NIB with CT 405s. $779 included shipping. Plus $25 for FFL.
Same dealer had it w/o the CTs for $599 including shipping.
At the time Bud's was at $603 plus shipping.

I saw an advertisement for it on GunsAmerica.
http://www.randyshuntingcenter.com/
Through this dealer in MI. Good service, no issues. Would purchase from them again.

I rotate carry it with a 642 w/CT405s. The reason? Right now I have Hogue Monogrips on it. This form factor won't work in shallow pockets, so I grab the 642 in the Mika.

I am also getting used to my first IWB carry holster with the Hogues. Eventually I will put the CTs back on.

I'm going to paste this in the 340 thread. I will be posting some holster updates and range reports so check back.

I can't say enough about the XX 340. Rhymes with M&P. :uhoh:

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