New firearms policy at Wal-Mart lets district managers decide


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W.E.G.
September 3, 2007, 02:59 PM
See http://www.geocities.com/rkba2da/vcdl20070903.pdf

3. New firearms policy at Wal-Mart lets district managers decide
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Member A.L. Soots relays his experience at the Fairlawn Wal-Mart:
Mr. Van Cleave,
About a month ago, a relative of mine was in the Wal-Mart in
Fairlawn. He was doing some shopping while open carrying his weapon.
After being in the store for a little while, he was confronted by the
assistant store manager, Jim Hancock, who told him that he was
breaking the law by carrying his firearm, and asked him to remove it
in the store and let him take it. When my relative said no, the
manager told him that he could either go with him to the office and
"straighten this out" or be prosecuted.
He said, "OK," not knowing what he was going to be prosecuted for.
When they got to the back of the store, the assistant manager then
called the Pulaski Sheriff's Department and put the deputy on speaker
phone and asked what my relative could be charged with. When the
deputy told him that there was no law being broken, he then hung up
and started telling my relative that "things were going to change
when the next president was elected...and people like my relative
were going to lose their rights to carry weapons."
When my relative wanted to leave, he was told that he had to write a
report. After the report was written and signed, he then told him to
leave the property. There were witnesses to this. After I talked with
Dave Knight about this, he called and talked with the store manager
who told him that her store employees would "be educated" and that
they weren't to bother anyone carrying a weapon in the store.
Well, last night (August 28, 2007) I was in the same store to
purchase some ammo for a CCW class that I was teaching. I was in the
store with a friend of mine. We walked straight from the front door
to the sporting goods department (open carrying). After standing at
the counter with no help for a few minutes we were confronted by the
SAME assistant manager and another employee.
Mr. Hancock told us that we were not welcome in the store while
carrying a weapon and he wanted us OFF THE PROPERTY NOW. I asked him
if this was store policy or his policy. He said it didn't matter, and
that if we did not leave, we would be charged with trespassing.
We turned to walk out of the store and Mr. Hancock followed us on our
heels all the way out. I stopped at one point to ask him why he was
following us. After we left I made a call to the district supervisor,
Terry Sartain, and left a message at his office because it was after
hours. I spoke with Mr. Sartain this morning and he told me that the
local managers and he were working on a new firearms policy.
He said that they had cleared it with the home office and the legal
department and that they were OK to change the policy in his store to
NO FIREARMS...NO CONCEALED OR OPEN CARRY!! He said that the signs
were being printed and would be posted in a couple of days.
The stores affected by this change are Fairlawn, Christiansburg, and
Salem, with Roanoke stores to follow. So, it looks like Wal-Mart is
falling. What do we do about this, or is there anything that we can
do?
(Update: I just spoke with someone at corporate and was told by them
that the new Wal-Mart corporate policy on firearms is to let district
managers decide on the firearms policy for their stores. It is in
their hands and out of corporate.)
--
I will let everyone know when the signs get posted (if they get
posted). There are many different ways we may choose to respond, I
will let you know what we suggest in a future update.

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Geno
September 3, 2007, 03:45 PM
What can people expect from a business that obtains over 50% of the product it sells from COMMUNIST China. Now people are seeing why I refuse to do business with WalMart. I will pay more elsewhere to be certain, but I won't be supporting a company that will not permit me to carry even with my permit.

Bilt4Comfort
September 3, 2007, 04:05 PM
I wouldn't have signed anything for that (blankity blank) manager.
I doubt seriously that I would have walked anywhere with him for any phone call to the sheriff either.

I simply would have left not to spend my money there again and sent off a letter/email to their corporate offices telling them they could wave bye bye to my money.

Old Fuff
September 3, 2007, 06:08 PM
Shortly after Arizona got a shall-issue concealed weapons law passed, our local Wal-Mart posted "no guns allowed" signs. :fire:

There are a LOT of CCL holders in southeast Arizona... :uhoh:

The signs were soon changed to allow licensed gun carriers to carry inside the store. Later open carry was accepted too.

Money counts. If gun owners refuse to buy at posted stores the management will notice sooner or later. In this case a lot of sales were involved - not just guns and ammunition, but everything.

They noticed sooner rather then later... :evil:

The Lone Haranguer
September 3, 2007, 06:30 PM
Old Fuff: The message must have gotten to them good, because I've never noticed any Wal-Marts in Phoenix metro being "posted" since I came over in '05.

Someone must have gotten to the Cabela's in Glendale. When it first opened in Oct. 2006 the sign said "No loaded firearms allowed." It was not meant -- so they said when they changed it -- to apply to a CCW holder's sidearm, just firearms being brought in for sale or trade.

There is still Costco to persuade, but unfortunately this attitude radiates down from the very top, so it is unlikely to happen. I do my part by not going in there. ;)

SouthpawShootr
September 3, 2007, 07:17 PM
If they want my business, my gun must be considered part of me. I don't open carry so if somebody notices I'm armed, I'm not doing my part. I never go to Wal-mart unless I'm armed. The one I usually frequent is in a good section of town, but it seems the vermin bus in or something. There have been several attacks in the parking lot. Purses & wallets stolen inside the store. All this with an off-duty, uniformed city police officer in the store as security. I think he's for show, I never seem him walking the store. Always up at the front.

OCJ
September 3, 2007, 07:34 PM
Jim Hancock, who told him that he was
breaking the law by carrying his firearm, and asked him to remove it
in the store and let him take it.

Wouldn't this be theft? And doesn't theft of a handgun carry a pretty hefty penalty?

748
September 3, 2007, 08:26 PM
I have a friend in roanoke that would all ways open carry in the wall mart in Roanoke and Pulaski. They never gave him any problems.
That store manager must be some new jerk off. :fire:
"I wouldn't have signed anything for that (blankity blank) manager".
I would have told the manager to kiss my grass.
:evil:

helpless
September 3, 2007, 08:30 PM
Attention Walmart shoppers, this is America.

cassandrasdaddy
September 3, 2007, 10:18 PM
contact em let em know

Spot77
September 3, 2007, 10:23 PM
Time to contact VCDL. After a week or so I suspect this crap will stop in Virginia.

rkba_net
September 3, 2007, 11:15 PM
"New firearms policy at Wal-Mart lets district managers decide"

This is just hearsay until someone posts something in WRITING from the WalMart corporate office on this...

748
September 4, 2007, 12:03 AM
"Time to contact VCDL"
+1
I am so joining VCDL when I get home. Junk like this allways gets started around where I live, not out in the western part of VA.
But all most no one open carrys very much out my way.

W.E.G.
September 4, 2007, 09:29 PM
-----Original Message-----
From: VCDL President
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 9:10 PM
Subject: VA-ALERT: Wal-Mart


A note on Wal-Mart: I am hoping to have a definitive answer shortly
on their actual policy on guns. It is our belief that the local
managers are completely wrong in thinking that they have the
authority to ban guns at the stores they manage.

I am planning on getting the real story and will let everyone know as
soon as I have the information so we can put this issue to bed.

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(VCDL). VCDL is an all-volunteer, non-partisan grassroots organization
dedicated to defending the human rights of all Virginians. The Right to
Keep and Bear Arms is a fundamental human right.

VCDL web page: http://www.vcdl.org
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fast200
September 4, 2007, 10:30 PM
You guys are late to the game. Haven't you noticed shotguns are disappearing from suburban Wal-Mart stores? In northern VA, I have to go south Fredericksburg just to buy a shotgun!!!

Wake up people. Wal-mart is turning anti.

748
September 4, 2007, 10:44 PM
Last year wall-mart started pulling firearms form 1/3 or 2/3 of their stores.
Because they claimed that selling guns in those stores didn't make enough money to warrent the shelf space. Thats ok, I under stand $$$ and no one is forcing them to sell guns plus I heard that if you get a bad gun form wall-mart your screwed.
They filled the gun cases in alot of stores with BB and pelet guns, paint ball guns, AirSoft guns and they still sell ammo.
The wall-mart in Hampton, VA pulled their firearms late last year. I call the wall mart there Getto-wall-mart. Any one who walks around the parking lot there at night on the weekend with out a gun is asking for it. There is a night club right next door, that dosen't make it any better.
Wall mart turning anit gun is going to far :cuss: .

alsaqr
September 5, 2007, 07:09 AM
Stop buying cheap made in China stuff from Wal-Mart. We are subsidizing the Chinese army and paying for our own destruction.

yhtomit
September 5, 2007, 08:18 AM
"When my relative wanted to leave, he was told that he had to write a
report. After the report was written and signed, he then told him to
leave the property. "

Huh?!

"Write a report" ... saying what? On what basis? For what purpose? Sounds like he should be writing something, alright, but it's nothing that this emptyheaded manager should *want* him write.

A Walmart manager, with very few exceptions, is not a block committee leader.

timothy

davinci
September 5, 2007, 08:37 AM
Your walmart's district manager's name and contact information can be obtained at customer service. They even have his/her picture and name on the wall.

wheelgunslinger
September 5, 2007, 09:26 AM
Not to derail the thread from Wally World, but Target is doing the same nonsense.
I had dinner with a young executive who threw a man out of the Mooresville NC store for open carry.
Her excuse was that "He was scaring other guests with his gun."
I replied "He wasn't breaking the law."
"But I have guests to protect."
"Wasn't he a guest?"
"Well, he was just really dirty and bad looking."
"So, you threw him out because he was dirty?"
"... because he was making other guests uncomfortable..."
she started getting pretty worked up and loud, and we were sitting in a nice restaurant, so I let it go.

Target doesn't allow any employee to carry any kind of weapon on the property, including pepper spray. And, they seem to back these kinds of plays by their management.

Don't shop at Target either.

alsaqr
September 5, 2007, 10:24 AM
"Don't shop at Target either."

Thanks for the info on Target. They will not get any of my hard earned money.

Schutzen
September 5, 2007, 10:35 AM
When one of the local Wal-Marts stopped selling firearms, they also stopped selling ammunition, hunting supplies, fishing supplies, hunting clothes, boating supplies, anything related to outdoor sports. At least to me they did! And I told the manager about it. If you do not want to sell outdoor sporting goods, I'll help you out of the business. Probably didn't do any good, but it made me feel like I'm doing a little to get their attention.

Hokkmike
September 5, 2007, 10:41 AM
I think Wal-Marts attitude stinks but why the heck would anyone carry a weapon where everyone could see it? My concealed weapon is just that, and you'd never know - unless the time was right for its appropriate use. Still, the actions of this "manager" were unwarranted. I agree; shop somewhere else, and when possible - "Buy American"!

Correia
September 5, 2007, 10:57 AM
Did any of you actually read the rules for this forum?

Activism needs action. The last thing the gun rights movement needs is one more thread complaining about Walmart.

If any of you have an actual PLAN to do something, then you can post it here. Otherwise no.

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