Best pro-gun states


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TGeorge
September 4, 2007, 12:26 AM
Is there some list somewhere that ranks the states on the basis of pro-gun versus anti-gun?

I live in the People's Republic of New Jersey and am planning to emigrate to Real America. I want to know where I can go and not be harassed by idiotic anti-firearm laws as exist in New Jersey, New York, most of New England and Maryand.

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2RCO
September 4, 2007, 12:27 AM
Kentucky and Oklahoma Both Rock for Gun owners. Look for states that specifically prohibit local gun ordinances.

sig226
September 4, 2007, 12:52 AM
Florida is RTC, no permits for purchase, lots of gun shows, all the private sales you want, and we're class III. South Florida has loads of transplants (me.) The northern part of the state is more 'southern,' if that makes any sense. Also the deer down here are on the small side, although we have hogs and duck. If you like fishing, you'll be very happy.

Pennsylvania had to take down the sign, but they're also RTC and class III.

748
September 4, 2007, 12:53 AM
Maine, The brady bunch gives ME a "D-" for gun control.
ME shall issue CWL and they will sign AFT form 1's and 4's for any thing for a 22LR suppressor to a M203 40mm launcher. :neener:
Note: Your consealed weapon doesn't have to be a "hand gun", it was left very open :what: .

skinewmexico
September 4, 2007, 12:57 AM
Texas. Or New Mexico, where you have millions of acres to hunt.

nwilliams
September 4, 2007, 12:59 AM
Where I am in Arizona is pretty pro-gun, lots of gun stores like J&G and lots of places to shoot and take classes such as Gunsite.

LAK Supply
September 4, 2007, 01:11 AM
Wyoming has to be one of the best. We got a big fat "F" from the Brady nazis..... :D

Scott7891
September 4, 2007, 01:12 AM
Vermont, extremely gun-friendly.

Guitargod1985
September 4, 2007, 01:13 AM
Is there some list somewhere that ranks the states on the basis of pro-gun versus anti-gun?

Yeah, all you have to do is go to the Brady site and reverse the grade order. :D

They give Florida an "F," so I give Florida an "A." They give California an "A," so I give California an "F."

See how easy it is?

As a Florida resident, the primary thing I would like to see changed would be the illegality of open carry. It would be so very nice to be able to openly carry my Sig 220 instead of having to worry about concealment and carrying a snubbie or subcompact pistol.

LAK Supply
September 4, 2007, 01:20 AM
Yeah, all you have to do is go to the Brady site and reverse the grade order.

They give Florida an "F," so I give Florida an "A." They give California an "A," so I give California an "F."

See how easy it is?

BINGO! :D

work2shoot
September 4, 2007, 01:51 AM
Montana pure & simple, and I oughta know as I high tailed it out of comi Calif. after 41 years. Open range & lots of hunting here. Organized shooting events anywhere and everywhere. Any firearm you want to leaglly own is your's. I had it with Calif. telling me what gun I can or cannot have, where I can go to shoot or what kind of rifle shotgun pistol or magazine capacity I can own, over priced and over rated gun stores that act like they are doing you a favor buying from them while charging full retail for anything. Freedom is a most beautiful thing, and I found it here in Montana. Seek it and leave your gun hating state whatever state it may be, you will find out very soon you will be very happy and glad you did the right thing for yourself and the peace of mind knowing your old state was a hopeless cause. I see my hard working tax dollars doing some good here where I pretty much felt it being wasted on ???? in Calif. I am honest and will tell you straight this is what I did so you know this is fact. I hope eveyone who read this will at least think and not write me off as a blowhard. I just love guns and shooting as a great recreation and hobby and a good stress diversion, as my family before me, so I just followed what I love to do to another firearm friendly state. My regards to all on THR.

rich642z
September 4, 2007, 10:50 AM
I live in Omaha,Nebraska,and we have a mandatory handgun registration. The ONLY ONE in this state[foolish]. The rest of Nebraska,No type of the registration crap at all. But for ccw carry,you have to pay anywhere from $100.00 to $175just for the class and then after you pass the class it cost you an extra $100.00 to get the damn permit to carry. If I were you,Move to Vermont...... RichZ.,Omaha,Ne.:what::what::what:

mcooper
September 4, 2007, 11:08 AM
Missisippi may be last in most everything else, but in gun Rights we are A+ material!

Class 3, Suppressors, SBR's, Shall issue CCW, stand your ground/castle doctrine laws, carry in car/home/land without CCW permit.

eric.cartman
September 4, 2007, 11:21 AM
http://www.stategunlaws.org/

Florida is VERY gun friendly.
The only think is, the lack of open carry.
Otherwise, no permits, no licensing, no registration. Only CWP for $117 plus around $85 for a class.

El Tejon
September 4, 2007, 11:28 AM
Indiana will save you a bunch of money, $25 for 4 years, with no classes, to carry or spend a little more and get your lifetime carry license, and you don't have to eat dinner at 4:00 pm while wearing sandals and black socks like in Flordia.:neener:

Things are getting better here as well--state park ban repeal, codification of no duty to retreat (Supreme Court decision in 1865, but finally in state law in 2006), preemption, emmagees, suppressors, oh, my. Now if we can just get more ranges around Indianapolis.

People from New Jersey may mock us but we Hoosiers just smile and clean our guns.:D

I'd go South (NC is frustrating, VA is sloppy with antis around DC, TX is getting better), or Midwest (avoid Illinois, MI and OH are getting better) or West until you hit California.

Andre Ben Talib
September 4, 2007, 11:46 AM
Kentucky is a firearm friendly state. Open carry is legal and socially acceptable, shall-issue state for ccdw permits, no localities can ban firearms, there's castle doctrine and stand your ground laws, people are used to guns, and so on. It's pretty alcohol and tobacco friendly as well.

Gunnerpalace
September 4, 2007, 11:53 AM
Yeah in MI here we just got the OK for Mg's ,suppressors are coming close, no word on SBS or SBRs...yet :D. Your best bet is Vermont one of only two states (other is AK) that allow CCW without permit.

Novus Collectus
September 4, 2007, 11:57 AM
I want to know where I can go and not be harassed by idiotic anti-firearm laws as exist in New Jersey, New York, most of New England and Maryand. Hey now, MD may not be all that gun friendly, but to compare us to NJ and parts of New England!!!....come on now!

Except for a few semi auto handguns like Tec 9s, whatever you have in NJ you can bring with you to MD, but here you don't need an FID card, to register jack (except full auto), don't need to tell the state and you don't need state "permission" like you would in NJ or Mass.
In MD all "class III" except for exploding ordnance is legal.
We can have so called "assault weapons" and possesion of larger than 20 round mags is legal (no transfers allowed of over 20 rnd mags though).
We can walk into a store and buy an antique or cap & ball revolver handgun and walk out like we bought a pack of cigaretts.
With my C&R license I can order and have shipped to my house C&R handguns without getting the state's "permission" first.
MD is a de facto castle doctrine state (stand your ground only applies to in the home though).
In MD I can make my own handgun (for personal use) without telling the state.


Of course MD is not all flowers and candy.
We do have the seven day wait when purchasing handguns and so called "assault rifles" within the state (my C&R handgun purchase from out of state is not subjected to the seven day wait).
The state gets to decide which handguns made after 1984 can be sold in the state (possession is not restricted, just the sale of them is restricted).
Stuf like MAC 10/11s are illegal unless they are federally registered AOW, SBR or full auto.
Carry permits are virtually non-existent for anyone not a retired officer or a business person.
And we have similar transport laws regarding handguns (to the range, informal target practice, the gun shop, etc.), but pleeaase don't put us in the same category as NJ.

joffe
September 4, 2007, 12:28 PM
New Hampshire is relatively close geographically to New Jersey compared to some of these.

Open carry near-unregulated - you need a permit to carry loaded in your car.

CCW permits ('pistol/revolver permit') are shall-issue - no fingerprints and such.

No state 'assault weapons ban'. You only have to deal with federal regulations.

Only place off limits for carry are state courts. (Not courthouses, courts, they secure your gun inside the courthouse if you wish) And then there's the federal buildings, federal school zones and national parks but that's going to be around in any state..

And then there's Vermont just west of NH, with completely unregulated open and concealed carry. Only minus is the socialist climate which may be a threat to that liberty, and the state sound suppressor ban.

NH has many pro-liberty groups working within and outside the system to stop the Massachusetts influence and work further to reinstate the 2nd amendment - along with the other ones.

http://www.pgnh.org/
http://gonh.org/
http://freestateproject.org/
http://nhliberty.org/

trimixdiver
September 4, 2007, 12:42 PM
I will add my 2 cents worth on Kentucky as well. Shall issue CCDW (non-specific as to type and/or quantity). Open carry. Local municipalities are not allowed to regulate firearms. Class III friendly (Knob Creek is here). There are even public shooting areas in some of the state run wildlife areas.

Modern firearm hunting season for deer is any centerfire cartridge. No restrictions for muzzleloaders during the muzzleloader season for deer either.:neener:

Mr. Designer
September 4, 2007, 12:48 PM
I think Pennsylvania allows open carry and the CCW permit cost under $10 with no classes required.

Crunker1337
September 4, 2007, 01:17 PM
Also PA prohibits cities/counties from passing anti 2A ordnances. If it matters, PA also allows ownership of all NFA devices except explosive DDs.

Rumble
September 4, 2007, 01:22 PM
I'm a PA guy myself, and everything here is pretty good, except:

- Handgun private sales aren't all that private - they must be conducted through an FFL, and

- You have to fill out a second form when buying a handgun, that goes to the State Police, and

- Apparently, as we've just seen, our guv'nor isn't particularly worried about shutting down the instant check system here.

On the other hand, I've bought many a gun here, with no trouble.

AntiqueCollector
September 4, 2007, 01:45 PM
VT and AK are the two best states, NH, MT and some others come very close though...

Scott7891
September 4, 2007, 02:39 PM
I too am from Maryland like Novus Collectus here but even to me Maryland is too strict. You have to register your machine gun to the state as well and renew it every year and fill out a new application for $10. So pretty much you have to pay the state to own a weapon guaranteed by the 2nd amendment. Also when you buy a pistol you also have to register it with the state police as well if the federal level wasn't intrusive and hard enough to get one. Also the ban on so-called "assault pistols." Where I come from in Maryland (Montgomery County), they are extremely anti-gun. They have tried to push legislation through in their own county to stop firearm ownership or the ability to. They have gotten away with no gun shows at the county fair so now I have to drive out of the county for every show, which isn't bad, but a nuisance. I also have heard they have banned any importation of ammo via online, I am not 100% sure but I have heard it some places. Even that is a nuisance because if my local gun store doesn't have the ammo I want I have to drive out of county to do so. Even though I am pretty sure Maryland has made it illegal for local counties and other municipalities to enact measures against gun ownership, Montgomery County has never been afraid to defy and do what they want at their own will because they have all the elitists of Potomac, Bethesda, Glen Echo, Takoma Park, etc... running things. I can not wait to move from this state. But hey, at least you can apply for a CCW when your 18 in this state, that is if you already have been a victim of a crime (such as my self, my brother, etc.). Did I also mention Maryland leads the nation in robberies and theft 12 years running??

http://www.mcsm.org/mdlaw.html <---Yes I know it is hard to believe but there are pro-gun people in Montgomery County too such as myself.

But for pro-gun states what about West Virginia?? No restrictions on gun-shows, magazine capacities, no registration to the state, class 3 weaponry, pretty much only federal regulations apply. Getting a CCW permit is $90 but there is plenty of shooting and ranges to be found there. I got friends there. Not only that its a hunting state so there are a lot of hunters. In fact it is a state that prides itself on it. I am either moving here or somewhere down south. Screw Maryland.

Cosmoline
September 4, 2007, 02:51 PM
I may be biased, but Alaska really is the best. Vermont carry without Vermont politics or Mass next door. The best hunting on the continent. Minimal government. Broad and deep gun culture that cuts across party lines. Open carry not only accepted but generally expected anywhere outside the few urban areas.

If AK is out, I'd suggest Montana, Idaho, Wyoming or a similar mountain state. They may or may not have ideal laws, but they have a strong gun culture and what might be called a tradition of liberty that's getting scarce elsewhere. After that I'd go with the southern states, but they tend to have a somewhat more restrictive law and culture than their rep would suggest. No open carry in Texas, for example. After that I'd go with the inland empire. State laws aside, it really is a different place on that side of the Cascades. Though how much longer that will last, I don't know. I'd be leery about moving to VT or NH simply because they're surrounded deep in enemy held territory. If you want to be an activist those would be good choices, as would VA.

rockinrussky
September 4, 2007, 06:07 PM
Overall, Virginia is really a decent state for RKBA.
-CCW are shall issue,
-there are no bans on assault rifles or magazine capacity
-no mandatory registration of firearms
-no waiting period
-its perfectly legal to open carry without any sort of a permit (just about the only state in the south where you can do that)

The only really bad law that VA has is being able to buy only one handgun a month :scrutiny:

Novus Collectus
September 4, 2007, 06:51 PM
SCott7891: Also when you buy a pistol you also have to register it with the state police as well if the federal level wasn't intrusive and hard enough to get one.In MD machine guns are registered; handgun sales are recorded. There is no compulsory registration of handguns. I have eight (non-"antique") handguns and there is no record with the state of MD that I have them because they were not bought within state lines. If there was actual registration that would not be the case.
I also have heard they have banned any importation of ammo via online, I am not 100% sure but I have heard it some places.Some distributors are confused about an early Montgomery county 1980's law that only registered ammunition dealers could sell there which was held to be invalid by the courts in 1985. The law is still on the books, but it is not in effect and this understandably confuses some companies. Some, or most, online companies will sell and deliver ammo to you.
I totally agree about Mont Co, they suck and if the county did not exist then MD might actually be considered gun friendly.

joffe
September 4, 2007, 06:59 PM
New Hampshire is relatively close geographically to New Jersey compared to some of these.

Open carry near-unregulated - you need a permit to carry loaded in your car.

CCW permits ('pistol/revolver permit') are shall-issue - no fingerprints and such.

No state 'assault weapons ban'. You only have to deal with federal regulations.

Only place off limits for carry are state courts. (Not courthouses, courts, they secure your gun inside the courthouse if you wish) And then there's the federal buildings, federal school zones and national parks but that's going to be around in any state..

My above post. After reading some posts here, I forgot a few things. Permits cost $10 and $20 for res and nonres respectively. There is no requirement for a state-approved course. There is no waiting period when buying a gun. Private sales are legislated, so the buyer has to either hold a permit or be 'personally known' to the seller and known not to be ineligible to own a handgun (i.e. a felon). It is still entirely private, no notification, registration or going via FFLs.

Scott7891
September 5, 2007, 01:41 AM
Thanks for the information. I'll see if I can get some good ammo deals on GunBroker then.

hotsauce
September 5, 2007, 07:29 PM
South Carolina is'nt too bad either.

novaDAK
September 5, 2007, 07:55 PM
Virginia

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Overall, Virginia is really a decent state for RKBA.
-CCW are shall issue,
-there are no bans on assault rifles or magazine capacity
-no mandatory registration of firearms
-no waiting period
-its perfectly legal to open carry without any sort of a permit (just about the only state in the south where you can do that)

The only really bad law that VA has is being able to buy only one handgun a month
The only other bad thing about VA is that they require 3 forms of ID to purchase "assault weapons" like the unneutered AKs (the ones with all the goodies :) )
But as soon as I prove to them I was born :D I walk out of the greatest gunshow in the world with an AK (in northern VA we have the Nation's gun show, over 1000 tables :) )

defjon
September 5, 2007, 08:08 PM
I'll be in a similar situation after I get my student loans paid off. I hate giving so much money to the state I'm in! Anyway...I want to move to a state that has inacted some kind of law after NOLA...if things get hairy, I don't want anyone knocking on my door and snatching up my 1911 and lever action, carting me off to some super dome so's I can be "safe" :barf:.

Which states have passed laws that forbid the confiscations of private weapons in disasters?

defjon
September 5, 2007, 08:09 PM
someone told me Arizona passed a law, and maybe florida.

KenpoProfessor
September 5, 2007, 08:14 PM
AAAAAAIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRR UUUUUUUHHHHHH ZZZZZOOOOOONNNNNN UUUUUUHHHHH.

Sorry, hooked on phonices worked for me LOL.

Have a great gun carryin' (open or concealed) day

Clyde

B. Adams
September 5, 2007, 09:32 PM
I live in South Dakota. As long as a gun is legal at the federal level it's legal here with no additional restrictions, open carry is legal, any resident who can legally buy a gun can easily get a "Permit to Carry a Concealed Pistol" (for $10 every 4 years with absolutely no training), the permit gets you out of the waiting period for handguns (but not the NICS check), and there's statewide preemption. You can carry everywhere except K-12 schools, bars, courthouses, federal buildings and national parks (of course :scrutiny:), and you can't carry while "intoxicated." You can carry on a motorcycle or ATV, but not on a snowmobile. :confused:

But you can carry pretty much everywhere, including sporting events, churches, gunshows, other people's houses without getting permission, and all the other ridiculous places that carry is restricted in some other states. The only restriction that affects me occasionally is the one against carry in bars, but I do understand the reasoning. I still wish they would change it though. I don't really understand the restriction against carrying on a snowmobile, and I think that should probably change, but since I don't have a snowmobile I'm not sure it's really an issue I should get involved in.

My girlfriend got her Iowa driver's license changed to South Dakota, and got her carry permit the same day. How many states will let you do that? :cool:

There's not much to do in South Dakota, but I think the gun laws are really good. :)

revjen45
September 6, 2007, 08:33 PM
"Texas. Or New Mexico, where you have millions of acres to hunt."
Actually, most of the hunting land in TX is privately owned and you pay thru the nose to hunt.

cbsbyte
September 7, 2007, 02:04 AM
Best two states are Vermont and Alaska.

ptmmatssc
September 7, 2007, 08:10 AM
Maine, The brady bunch gives ME a "D-" for gun control.
ME shall issue CWL and they will sign AFT form 1's and 4's for any thing for a 22LR suppressor to a M203 40mm launcher.
Note: Your consealed weapon doesn't have to be a "hand gun", it was left very open

Yup , pretty decent state for gunnies . As said above , shall issue , can have all the stamp related toys, can open carry, and no AWB or other restrictions . It is true the concealed permit does NOT limit you to just a hand gun , but in order to carry a concealed long arm you would have to unload it every time you got in your vehicle , as well as have it in plain sight or locked in a gun case. Real PITA .

Pushrod
September 7, 2007, 10:01 AM
I second SCott7891 on West Virginia being gun friendly and getting out of Maryland. Maryland seems to be going the opposite of most states and every year tries to push for more anti-gun legislation. To purchase a handgun in this state it has to come with a fired round and intrical lock which most companies either don't have or charge a bunch more money for.

West Virginia grants it's citizens unfettered freedom like it was meant to be enjoyed. With in five years I plan on being a WV citizen an no longer part of the Socialist state of Maryland.

Voerelover
September 7, 2007, 01:42 PM
HI:
I am here in Atlanta Georgia! We have always been gun friendly! This is of course the home of many class III dealers and manufactors. Well we are home of the old' mack full autos m-10 m11 ect!
I just recently got my carry permit renewed, it has always been very easy! But not anymore! Man if you got an out standing parking ticket from 1926, it must be cleared up before you can get a renewal. Price for license has doubled in cost! I mean in Georgia for renewal you better be able to account for everything you ever did no matter how small it was! I passed but know many people who were turned down who had previousley had license for as long as 15 to 20 years! kinda late and stupid to turn them down now I think! But the closer to atlanta you live the worse gun control seems to be. For a carry license they treat you like you were a nut job, jusk for asking for a renewal!
I hope in the future politicans from somewhere help to save our gun rights! I can see things changing in Georgia from year to year!
I am sure other states are the same, we have always been free in the old south. But they are trying to chip away at our gun rights and I am worried! I never see many pro people on tv anymore! Like now the line is blured were guns that were once semi auto firearms, are now being called semi auto Machine guns! WOW! Any one in the old south who is more enlightened than me please explain it! Before we get like the peoples republic of California! I am just waiting for a four round bolt action deer rifle with a scope. To be called a sniper rifle by our wonderful TV press, as most News people are so good at explaining to gun owners, their concern to just help us stay safe! HA! HA! :(

scurtis_34471
September 7, 2007, 02:50 PM
I may have to move from Florida to Colorado in a year or two and I've been reading up on their laws. Its not quite as good as Florida, but Colorado is generally not too bad. Brady gives them a solid D.

Mannix
September 7, 2007, 03:26 PM
Minnesota ain't great, but it's better than Iowa or Wisconsin.

For the NFA items, C&R MG's only, no suppressors.

Permits to carry a pistol are shall issue, though you do have to take a class, the minimum age is 21(:(), and here in the twin cities the authorities really drag their feet. On the plus side it allows you to OC and CC, which is nice. Having the permit also exempts you from 624.7181, allowing you to carry long arms in public places(Of course, being legal and accepted as normal are two different things).

We do unfortunately have a 7 day waiting period for handguns and "semiautomatic military-style assault weapons", but it does not apply to people who hold a carry or purchase permit. The person buying from a private seller also needs a permit or the seller needs to report the sale to the police and they run a background check, this whole process takes 7 days.

Also auto knives are illegal accept when kept in the home as a collector's piece.

We also have state preemption.

I'm looking into moving to SD after I'm done with school(out of state tuition SUCKS).

ilcylic
September 7, 2007, 09:36 PM
Alaska certainly has the best laws, but New Mexico isn't nearly as cold. (Which is either a feature or a bug, depending on which way your temperature tolerance skews.)

All NFA items are legal here. We have open and concealed carry. We're an RTC state. We just recently passed a law separating CCW in places that sell alcohol vs: places that serve alcohol. (The former is legal to carry in, the latter, not.) The city of Albuquerque maintains a shooting range that is open to the public, which doesn't mean much itself, but does give some indication as to the general attitude towards firearms around here.

And most of our politicians are pretty good about firearms. Heck, we even have pro-gun Democrats in the state Senate. :D

Fletchette
September 9, 2007, 12:16 AM
Not only did Wyoming get an "F" from the Brady nazis, the states attorney general, with the governors open support, is sueing the BATF for violating the "commerce clause". The BATF is trying to use the commerce clause to say that Wyoming does not have the authority to expunge misdemeanor convictions so citizens can own guns again. Wyoming disagrees. State laws are state laws.

I am so proud of my state! :D

telomerase
September 9, 2007, 12:28 AM
Vermont is good, but their laws are leftover from when Vermonters themselves were good. NH has actually improved its gun laws in the last couple years, and is getting better.

If you move to IL you'll need this site (http://flintknapping.com/).

Nomoney
September 9, 2007, 06:26 PM
I cast my vote for MT, which is where I live. No laws against guns in cars, state law that mandates no local government infringments, and a very gun friendly culture. It's not considered concealed if it's in a purse or backpack (hence no ccw required), and we are shall-issue state anyway.
About the only bad law I can think of is the restriction on carrying into a place serving alcohol for consumption on the premises.

Rossshady120
September 9, 2007, 08:17 PM
FL. has the stand your right act im pretty sure its the only state with that kind of act, the do not retreat act

amper
September 13, 2007, 02:51 AM
May I invite you to stay in New Jersey? We need more pro-liberty citizens here to help us throw off the tyrannical yoke of the currently enacted firearms regulations. Maybe with this spate of corruption, we stand a chance of getting rid of the nannys in the statehouse.

I must admit, I'm thinking about leaving NJ, too. Tops on my list are PA (outside of Philadelphia), coastal NH, coastal VT, or coastal Maine. I lived in Philadelphia for seven years prior to moving (back) to NJ, but I never had a gun there because of my girlfriend didn't like guns. What an opportunity I missed! I never really had cause to examine the firearms laws in NJ before I moved here. If I had, I would have declined the idea.

When I was a child in NJ, my mom got the FID and bought BB Guns for my brother and me. I always had a gun, so I never thought much about the legal ramifications.

The-Fly
September 13, 2007, 03:38 AM
Alaska or the mountain west is the place to go for good gun laws. Different states will have minor pro's or con's, but hard to go wrong in any of em really.

AntiqueCollector
September 13, 2007, 10:02 AM
coastal VT

Just a little correction: there's no "coastal VT" if by coastal you mean ocean. There is Lake Champlain and several smaller lakes though if that's what you meant...

amper
September 13, 2007, 12:57 PM
Well, now that Lake Champlain is officially a Great Lake...but, yes, that's what I meant--the Burlington area seems very nice, plus there's the skiing and the cheese (I'm addicted to Grafton Village Cheddar).

Champlain is big enough for a decent yacht, and you can still sail down the canal system out to open water.

cbsbyte
September 13, 2007, 01:34 PM
ell, now that Lake Champlain is officially a Great Lake...but, yes, that's what I meant--the Burlington area seems very nice, plus there's the skiing and the cheese (I'm addicted to Grafton Village Cheddar).

No Lake Champlain is not consider part of the Great Lakes such as lake Erie etc. It is a very big in land lake though. I would not live in the Burlington since there are way to many leftist in that area. Its best to stay out of the urban centers of Vermont because that is where many of the NYC progressives have taken up residency.

amper
September 21, 2007, 02:42 PM
As a "NYC Progressive" myself, I take a bit of offense at that remark, but I understand where you're coming from. Unfortunately, many progressives conflate gun control with progress. Better, in my view, to associate with them on a constructive basis to help them understand that progress must be associated with personal empowerment and that the true goal of progressive politics is Liberty.

secamp32
September 21, 2007, 03:00 PM
I'd love to move out of the PRNY and for me I've eliminated any place the doesn't allow ccw in restaurants that serve alcohol (AZ, TN, SC, NM, NC come to mind). GA has more places you can't carry then you can carry. Also places that no gun signs are legally binding like SC and OH. On the east coast that seems to leaves FL, NH, VT, and PA.

Novus Collectus
September 21, 2007, 03:09 PM
Secamp32, what about VA? You can't conceal carry in places that serve alcohol, but you can take it out and open carry in them.

eric.cartman
September 21, 2007, 03:23 PM
As a "NYC Progressive" myself, I take a bit of offense at that remark,

Is there anything the libo-gresives are not offended by?
:banghead:

RoadkingLarry
September 21, 2007, 03:33 PM
Oklahoma gets over looked a lot. I was a bit dissapointed to learn that Brady only gives us a D-. Lots of public land places to hunt, no State background check- NICS only, CCW, Castle doctrine, stand your ground, State constitution recognizes right to posses fireamrs for sefl defense, can't confiscate arms during emergency and my favorite from the Brady website demerit column -

First state in nation to pass a law to force businesses to allow guns in the workplace via cars in company parking lots.

broadsideofabarn
September 21, 2007, 04:11 PM
Is there anything the libo-gresives are not offended by?


I'm offended by your offense! :D

I'd say gay pride parades, but they offend tree huggers by the garbage they create.

amper
September 21, 2007, 06:26 PM
Is there anything the libo-gresives are not offended by?

Sure, but you'd probably be offended by some of them...;)

See, that's exactly what I meant when I said you should associate with progressives on a constructive basis, rather than prolonging stereotypes that are less than useful. You might learn something.

righteousbarbarian
September 21, 2007, 07:22 PM
in my experience Pennsylvania isn't too bad. the primary negatives are the limits PA puts on what you can hunt with. semi-autos are illegal to hunt with, for instance. there are some weird caliber restrictions during certain seasons to try to prevent poaching too.

BlackBearME
September 22, 2007, 01:26 AM
I'm throwing my chips in for Maine, too, for all the above reasons (which are worth re-iterating):
-No waiting period
-All NFA items
-Open and Concealed Carry (and the CCW is rather easy to get)

Also, and this is a biggie: No one really cares. (Laws or no laws, public sentiment matters just as much)

Also, you can carry in a place licensed to serve alcohol, as long as they don't have a sign specifically prohibiting such.

We don't have stand-your-ground or castle doctrine.....but I'm sure we could get there.

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