Gun Horror Story--no, really


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cnorman18
September 4, 2007, 02:52 PM
Not what you're expecting.

It's worse.

Many years ago, a friend of mine--the owner of our local gun shop in central Texas--was standing at the counter of his shop when a friend, a police officer, came in carrying a brown paper bag. "I want to show you something," he said, "but I want to warn you--it might make you cry." then he pulled an object from the bag. It was a sawed-off shotgun.

My friend was puzzled. Then he looked closely. And sure enough, tears came to his eyes.

It was a custom-made, fully engraved sidelock double from James Purdey & Sons of London. Or used to be.

(For those who don't know, Purdey & Sons have been handcrafting arms for over 200 years. Every gun they make is handmade from scratch. You might say they have a waiting list: if you bring in your newborn son and pay a substantial deposit--their plain-Jane guns start at around $50,000--they will guarantee delivery by his 40th birthday. The only customer who gets faster service is the Queen.)

This gun cost a minimum of $125K and probably took five years to build, by the greatest gunmakers in the world--and some punk stole it, and took a hacksaw to those perfect rust-blued barrels that looked like midnight-blue glass, and to that hand-rubbed curly maple stock that looked like it grew around the gun, and cut it down to rob 7-Elevens for chump change.

(sob)

I told you...

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supraneurotoxin
September 4, 2007, 02:59 PM
I sure would like to know what came of afore-mentioned punk, I hope he got his comeuppence.
my heart did a little twist when I read this story. no kidding.

larry_minn
September 4, 2007, 03:09 PM
Dang. Once I saw where it was going I wished I had not clicked on this thread. :(

My hope is POS punk stuck it in his bagy pants and it went off and removed his ability to procreate.

torpid
September 4, 2007, 03:14 PM
Not to be too big a jerk, but I have to ask how the heck did it end up being stolen by someone who robs 7-11s?!!!

For a minimum 5-year wait and a $125k lighter wallet, you'd need to be a classy British cat burglar from a 1930's movie to expertly lift it from my Bond-villain laser-shark patrolled security system!

El Tejon
September 4, 2007, 03:26 PM
Maybe he could only afford agitated sea bass after dropping 125K on the shotgun?:confused: The sharks take permits and red tape, Dr. E.

Cougfan2
September 4, 2007, 03:36 PM
Not as bad as this one, but my boneheaded cousin traded a nice old Winchester pump action .22 of my Uncle's for a case of beer at a party. :cuss:

CWL
September 4, 2007, 03:41 PM
cnorman18,
do you know what ever happened to this shotgun? Something so valuable would definitely have been reported to police and insurance claimed against the loss.

This SG could have been returned to Purdy for replacement of stock & barrels -not that I'd have any clue what that would have cost.

Ghost Tracker
September 4, 2007, 03:42 PM
Purdey & Sons shotguns almost bring a tear to my eye when they're in pristine condition! I don't know that my old heart could stand seeing one mutulated like that. It's like using a Aston Martin as a Manure Spreader.

Technosavant
September 4, 2007, 03:43 PM
Oh.

My.

Word.

I bet that punk had no idea what he had done. It's like stealing a Bentley for use in a demolition derby or wiping your rear with the Mona Lisa. Sure, it will work, but you'd be better off just selling the thing.

FourTeeFive
September 4, 2007, 03:46 PM
This sounds like a twist on a documented case from the UK. Some thieves broke into a very high-end auction house and stole a number of things, including a shotgun similar to the one mentioned in this story. They sold the gun to some other thieves who ended up cutting it down to use for an armed robbery.

In that context the story makes much more sense, since weapons are relatively hard to find in the UK to be able to steal.

ROMAK IV
September 4, 2007, 03:46 PM
Well, not quite as bad, but I saw someone turn in a Humpback Browning automatic shotgun into a church gun turn in for $50. Hopefully, it was purloined from the church bfore being cut up.

MrTuffPaws
September 4, 2007, 03:52 PM
I once saw pictures of an original 1897 trench gun that someone put ghost ring sights and a pistol grip on. I think they also did something like put a nickel finish or something equally ghastly as well. I wished I saved the photos.

Il Duca
September 4, 2007, 03:54 PM
(Sniffle) Why? (Sniffle)

:cuss:

Bazooka Joe71
September 4, 2007, 04:40 PM
Am I a sissy for sheding a tear?:(

cnorman18
September 4, 2007, 05:26 PM
I wish I could answer your questions, guys, but that's all I know about it. I can tell you it's not an "urban legend", though, because I got it from the gun shop owner himself a few days after it happened. He was still P.O.ed about it, too.

Urban legends usually have an "appropriate" ending, anyway--like if the punk had test-fired the gun and a picture of Teddy Roosevelt fell off the wall and killed him. Would that it were so...

xsquidgator
September 4, 2007, 05:30 PM
The sad sequel to Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels!

alucard0822
September 4, 2007, 05:33 PM
not too different from the line of old widows at the gun buybacks with their late husbands WWII treasures and memorabilia, Garands, lugers, the occasional broomhandle mauser, and some idiot handing out sneakers, or gift cards, gleefully melting down tangible history, "for the childeren". That is a real situation that keeps happening, I think it is more of a tragedy that rapidly deplenishing historical arms are destroyed, by threatening their owners on a fixed income to turn in firearms unknown to them to be worth thousands. I don't think the guy who allegedly lost the purdley would be out much more than a higher estate insurance premium. He knew what he had, and let it get away from him. Basically the owner of the purdley was wronged by a single criminal, the old ladies at the gun buybacks are repeatedly wronged by a system full of them.

10 Ring Tao
September 4, 2007, 05:35 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v151/sabrooks/sadpanda.jpg

This makes me a sad panda.

glockman19
September 4, 2007, 05:38 PM
Sad very sad.

The stupid criminal could have just sold the classic to someone and probably made more than his entire take with it.

Nolo
September 4, 2007, 07:16 PM
Oh, man...
As much as I like sawed-off shotguns...
That's just...
Wrong.
Wrong on so many levels. Like using the Mona Lisa for scratch paper or blowing you nose on the original Declaration of Independence or turning an original 16th-century cabinet into a doghouse...
*tear*
*tear**tear*tear*
*sobs*
*wailing*
*flooding from the enormous amounts of tears shed*
*dialing emergency services for all the flooding*
*drowning noises*
*silence*

Fred Fuller
September 4, 2007, 07:43 PM
In Angola in the 1970's, Greek mercenary Costas Georgiou (aka "Colonel Callan") was reported to have hacksawed the barrels down on a Purdey (IIRC) and used it to execute at least one of his own 'soldiers.' Crimes compounded by crimes, is all I can say... but it does happen.

lpl/nc

Husker1911
September 4, 2007, 07:51 PM
Reminds me of the old story of a crook performing armed robberies with a stolen Singer 1911A1, worth tens of thousands of dollars. Don't know if it's true, but makes for a great "dumb crook" story.

Hoppy590
September 4, 2007, 08:15 PM
reminds me of "Lock Stock and two smoking barrels"

Tokugawa
September 4, 2007, 08:42 PM
I heard a similar story about a guy bringing in a Holland double and asking the gunsmith school to cut it down for a defense weapon. Obviously, they refused.

Gunnerpalace
September 4, 2007, 08:49 PM
I was just talking with my father over this along the lines of "I am sure some drug dealer bought a Holland & Holland and sawed it down" well just more evidence that for a criminal nothing is valuable including expensive items and life, Sad.

Anteater1717
September 4, 2007, 10:17 PM
:(

I'm sad now

NDGeek
September 4, 2007, 10:23 PM
xsquidgator

Damn, ya beat me too it.

Noxx
September 4, 2007, 11:47 PM
GAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

That is all.

Geronimo45
September 4, 2007, 11:55 PM
Think Lawdog mentioned a story like that. Some high-end safari rifle that was stolen and later sawed down.
Awful shame. :(

KiltedClaymore
September 5, 2007, 12:15 AM
this made me cry on the inside.

Stickjockey
September 5, 2007, 12:16 AM
That one may be urban legend, but this one isn't, although somewhat tamer (sheds a tear for lost Purdey)

My Grandfather hated cats. No, I mean he hated cats. After he died, we found a couple of cut-down .22 smoothbores he had for going after them, as well as something that if you didn't know what you were looking at, would seem to be a single-shot .410-bore shotgun made into a pistol. Of course, if you did know what you were looking at, it was a genuine 1875 Trapdoor Springfield, cut down to about ten inches on the barrel and the stock cut off, the tang bent down and a pistol-grip fitted. Evidently, he'd put a turn or two of electrical tape around the base of a .410 shell, and use that for ammo. Yes, we found the NFA paperwork later going through his papers, but only after we'd turned the guns into the local cop-shop.

hexidismal
September 5, 2007, 12:37 AM
If the officer had the shotgun, it's most likely that the criminal in question had been caught with the weapon. In addition to serving whatever sentence the offender may have, I think one of the worst punishments you could give him would be to tell him what he had done.. and that he probably could have gotten at least $75,000 from a blackmarket collector (not that I endorse crime, but he WAS a criminal anyway) instead or robbing 7-11s.

Gunnerpalace
September 5, 2007, 12:57 AM
If I was that cop if the owner was to get rid of it I would pick it up register it and keep it, I'm sure it still has value and it would make for a great conversation piece.

ABTOMAT
September 5, 2007, 12:59 AM
This reminds me of an actual news story. A guy robbed a casino or some place with an 1800s S&W revolver. Ended up with just pocket change and was caught after non-fatally shooting a policeman. Turns out the gun was legally owned and he could have sold it for thousands.

SMMAssociates
September 5, 2007, 01:05 AM
Right after the end of WWII, a now-deceased uncle of mine ended up with the keys to a warehouse in Italy that was full of captured weapons. The usual Lugers and Mausers and a bunch of high-priced hunting rifles.

He was so anti-gun at that point, that when his turn to come home arrived, he gave the keys to his successor and got on the boat.

Moose had six kids. I reminded him that if he'd shipped home some Lugers he might have been able to put his kids through college with them. Or at least made a dent. And if he'd brought home a couple of those drillings he could have put me through college, too....

The cut down shotgun, real or not, is yet another example of the criminal mind....

Regards,

mesomorphcujo
September 5, 2007, 01:55 AM
That criminal needs to be kicked in the groin every remaining day of his worthless life. :fire:

1911 guy
September 5, 2007, 08:06 AM
Ugh. Aside from it being a fine firearm, traditional english doubles are works of art, quite literally. The crook just destroyed years of painstaking labor by several skilled craftsmen. I repeat, ugh.

AndyC
September 5, 2007, 11:05 AM
I have to echo the poster who said that he wishes he hadn't read this thread. Just...damn... :eek:

Seancass
September 5, 2007, 12:50 PM
i really hope some day i find a shot gun just like this for $100 in a pawn shop. and we'll just say its the same one so this fate doesnt happen to two perfect guns.

Davo
September 5, 2007, 02:40 PM
Yup Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels

ANDROTAZ
September 12, 2008, 08:16 PM
Oh, man...
As much as I like sawed-off shotguns...
That's just...
Wrong.
Wrong on so many levels. Like using the Mona Lisa for scratch paper or blowing you nose on the original Declaration of Independence or turning an original 16th-century cabinet into a doghouse...
*tear*
*tear**tear*tear*
*sobs*
*wailing*
*flooding from the enormous amounts of tears shed*
*dialing emergency services for all the flooding*
*drowning noises*
*silence*

Oh, man...I LOL'ed HARD at that post.

As far as the OP...that is disgusting. I hate the state of the world we live in...that's just injustice. I hope the piece of trash got what he deserved.

EDIT: Damnit. Got linked here from another thread, and didn't even notice the date of the last post. SORRY, FELLAS.

Speedo66
September 12, 2008, 08:54 PM
It wasn't a Purdey, but I had a deft. who did the same thing with a nicely engraved Winchester 21 he had burglarized from a home.

At a turn in I was at recently, I saw a Colt SAA with US markings, several Garands and Carbines, and various other Mausers and SXS and U/O shotguns handed in for $200.

These are not urban legends, I was present at all the above.

42
September 13, 2008, 09:36 AM
pineapple a rope and a beanbag shell firing aa12

BruceRDucer
September 13, 2008, 09:43 AM
What we need, is a law against it!

:what::what::what::uhoh::uhoh::uhoh:

Lewis130
September 13, 2008, 09:55 AM
My God, the irony....

crushbup
September 13, 2008, 10:37 AM
I propose tossing this man into an active volcano.

Crow1108
September 13, 2008, 01:36 PM
:(

Hope the crook is getting some retribution in prison.

Reminds me of the story a few years back about the kid who took his dad's Enzo Ferrari and promply totalled it. This was back in '05 or '06 if I remember correctly.

effengee
September 13, 2008, 02:02 PM
I think it may have been on a recent episode of cops, where some guys threaten some people with a sawed-off that when inspected by the officers on camera looked remarkably similar to a well-made double with exposed hammers and fine engraving...

I saw another police reality show where the bad guy was running around with a museum-quality broomhandle Mauser...

Several years ago, a good friend of mine had a few guns, including an heirloom 1911, stolen from him by an Ex-girlfriend and her little buddies...
Fortunately for him the guns were easily recognized at the next town over where unbeknownst to the idiot thieves, they tried to sell them to the very gunshop where 3 of the firearms were purchased. He got them returned promptly and she and her buddies got to meet our local A.T.F. agent...

AAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!! I hate criminals!!!!:banghead:

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
September 13, 2008, 03:10 PM
For a minimum 5-year wait and a $125k lighter wallet, you'd need to be a classy British cat burglar from a 1930's movie to expertly lift it from my Bond-villain laser-shark patrolled security system!

Maybe he could only afford agitated sea bass after dropping 125K on the shotgun?

Now that's funny right there!! :D :D

Many I hope that original story is more urban legend than truth, because it also makes me a saaaaaad panda. :(

engineer151515
October 7, 2008, 08:46 PM
Apocalypse Now voice...

The horror.....


The horror....

Meowhead
October 8, 2008, 11:59 AM
You know what, I've always wanted to do that....sort of.

I wouldn't chop one down with a rusty hacksaw. But maybe, just maybe a professional conversion (probably new barrels and wood, so I could swap the old parts back) or a custom gun from the factory? For some reason I've always wanted a really high grade, richly engraved, exposed hammer, short side by side.

rondog
October 8, 2008, 01:17 PM
Man, there's a shop here in Denver that sells guns of that quality. It's absolutely stunning to go in there and look at 'em, I'm scared to even touch them. Only place I know of that has .700 Nitro Express ammo in stock, and the double rifles to shoot them with. http://www.mwreynolds.com/

foghornl
October 8, 2008, 02:10 PM
Not on the same level as this tragedy, but I USED to have a shooting budd that called me up one day and said "Hey, I'm thinking about making 'Gramps' old shotgun into an HD gun. Can you help?"

ME: "Sure, I'll be over in about 30 minutes. Wait for me."

By the time I got there, he had already chopped the barrels on 'Gramps' fine old Savage 311, and dented the remaining portion of the barrels in the vise by clamping it so hard. Badly cut, too...one barrel was about 1/2" shorter that the other.

Well, I picked up the chopped parts, chased him out of the garage and 4 blocks down the street. Haven't spoken to him since.

NG VI
October 8, 2008, 02:39 PM
I heard a similar story about a guy bringing in a Holland double and asking the gunsmith school to cut it down for a defense weapon. Obviously, they refused.


I would have offered my far more suitable AR-15 in trade. Might even throw in my Mossberg 500 Persuader, just for good measure. Can't have a citizen going without a good home defense weapon.

NG VI
October 8, 2008, 02:45 PM
That criminal needs to be kicked in the groin every remaining minute of his worthless life.


Fixed it for you.

benEzra
October 8, 2008, 03:06 PM
I hope the officer told the punk that he had $125,000 in his hands, and destroyed it.

ZeSpectre
October 8, 2008, 03:13 PM
Oh noes, ZOMBIE THREAD!
Died - September 5th, 2007
Returned to plague the living - September 12th, 2008
One year gone and not forgotten, time for the zombie thread killer <grin>.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/zespectre/zombie_1.jpg

Cosmoline
October 8, 2008, 03:32 PM
Death is too good for that bubba. He should be sawn in half himself.

jordan1948
October 8, 2008, 03:46 PM
This is not just a crime it is a SIN, and he should burn for all eternity for his SINFULL ways. Honestly to molest a beautiful peace of art like that............I have nothing more to say.

rondog
October 8, 2008, 04:26 PM
Gotta wonder how many guns like that have been turned in during "buybacks" and outright confiscations, like in England and other places, and ended up in a shredder.

cmdio
October 8, 2008, 04:42 PM
Is there any legal issues in starting your own buyback program, only you keep the guns? something like 50 bucks a gun would probably be worth it if you were running it, youre gonna get some lorcin junk, but also probably alot of nice old guns too. I might look into this

rojocorsa
October 9, 2008, 11:07 PM
:eek: :cuss: :confused:

bakerj
October 9, 2008, 11:52 PM
There is a similar situation in Cormac McCarthys book Blood Meridian. Cowboy with an english shotgun asks a guy to cut the barrels down and the guy refuses because the gun is so nice and he figures it was stolen.

Sixtigers
October 10, 2008, 06:53 AM
A couple of things don't sound right. Sure, tragic story and all, but why wasn't that very expensive evidence in lockup? You can't tell me that people who buy such weapons don't take precautions against their theft, and then fail to insure them as well...And wouldn't the insurance company have something to say about this thing being paraded about town? I'm not familiar with LE procedures, but this story 'feels' wrong. 'Feels' a bit like a fable.

Think about it: Thief cases mansion. Plans assault on mansion. Makes it past security system. Drills gunsafe. Removes prize shotgun, then makes his getaway...once clear, he cuts the barrels off? Nah. This sounds like something somebody made up.

The real tragedy here? Somebody spent $125K-$200K on a shotgun. That's...criminally silly. I submit that anybody that can afford to drop that much money for a scattergun just won't be that affected by its loss.

I know, I know...not a popular opinion here. I'm just sayin'!

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