What states don't allow concealed carry?


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Fatelvis
September 5, 2007, 07:54 AM
I live in Illinois, a state that doesnt allow concealed carry, (yet). It is my understanding that there only a few states not allowing CC, what others are they?

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MaterDei
September 5, 2007, 08:07 AM
Check out www.handgunlaw.us

They will have all the info you need.

Illinois and Wisconsin are the only two states that totally deny the right. However, for all intents and purposes, most of the states listed as 'may issue' also deny the right.

romma
September 5, 2007, 08:38 AM
There is still a lot of states that will not issue a permit for Concealed Carry unless you are politically connected in some way.

Hawaii, New Jersey as far as entire States go come to mind.

Other states the issuing athorities are more local and issue under their sheriffs, or police chiefs discretion... Some judges and mayors of towns and cities get to decide depending on where you are.

It isannoying to me to think that in this Country depending on where you live, your rights are not equal across the board with your fellow Americans.

Gunnerpalace
September 5, 2007, 09:05 AM
It is my understanding that in Hawaii in the past 10 years only 1 CCW permit has been issued and that was to a politician, and it is either Maryland or New Jersey that is famous or infamous for not granting CCW's to people who have received death threats.

chipperi
September 5, 2007, 09:26 AM
Before I moved to the great state of Tennessee I lived in the communist state of Maryland. In Md you have to do all the usual stuff the fingerprinting, background check etc. But heres the kicker in order to get one you must work for an armed security service and get an affidavit from them to get your permit, or you must show receipts that you carry more than 5,000 on a regular basis, or have a judge ok it if your life has been threatened...(a little late isn't it). So in short Maryland is more interested in protecting your money than your life.

pax
September 5, 2007, 09:37 AM
From http://www.gun-nuttery.com/rtc.php

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=63501&stc=1&d=1188999090

That map shows not just which states allow concealed carry, but also how the laws have changed over the past 20 years or so.

pax

bulgron
September 5, 2007, 10:59 AM
I hate that map.

Is there a map that isn't animated? What I want is to know what the state of things is today, not 10 years ago. If I could figure out how to pause the animation, I'd be happy.

RobXD9
September 5, 2007, 11:13 AM
bulgron,

When the animation reaches the year you want to save, click your STOP button on your browser. That should stop the animation sequence.

You can then right click, save-as.

I know this works in IE. Your browser may vary.

-Rob

RobXD9
September 5, 2007, 11:18 AM
Here's a .gif of the still image...

bulgron
September 5, 2007, 12:38 PM
RobXD9, thanks for the still image.

On a Mac using Camino, the STOP button is disabled once the page is completely loaded, so it won't work to stop an animated GIF. I never knew other browser's could use the STOP button to do that. I'll have to try other Mac-based browsers to see if I can find something that behaves better relative to animated GIFs.

Thanks for the tip!

skinewmexico
September 5, 2007, 06:56 PM
Wow. And I thought the almighty Mac did everything.

scubie02
September 5, 2007, 07:13 PM
those maps can be somewhat misleading. In NN, for instance, if you live downstate (NYC) you are largely screwed unless you're a celebrity or something, but upstate, depending on the county, it can be semi tough (most often around other small cities like Albany) or relatively easy to get a permit in some of the more rural counties. I'm guessing the county I live in, who's county see has a population less than 20k, would likely have then times the permits alone as NYC has altogether with a population more like 20 million.

Novus Collectus
September 5, 2007, 08:05 PM
It is my understanding that in Hawaii in the past 10 years only 1 CCW permit has been issued and that was to a politician, and it is either Maryland or New Jersey that is famous or infamous for not granting CCW's to people who have received death threats. Just like Chippiri posted, what they consider a "good and substantial reason" is almost always protecting money drugs or for professionals in law enforcement or law practice and almost never for personal protection for citizens.
According to the major Maryland carry organization Maryland Shall Issue out of 62,000 permits on file in MD, only 661 are issued for personal protection:
28.9 percent of all Permits are issued to police officers. However, in July of 2004, federal legislation (HR 218) was signed into law allowing both active and retired police officers to carry a concealed firearm for protection while off duty in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. The Permits issued to most of these officers are no longer really needed.

37.6 percent of all Permits are issued to corrections officers, security guards, private detectives, judges, bail bondsmen and others working in areas of government, security or the judicial system.

31.8 percent of all Permits are issued to business people who deal with a lot of cash.

Just 1.7 percent of all Permits are issued to people for Personal Protection. Only 661 Permits in a State with a population of 5.6 million. That’s just one Permit issued for every 8,473 people.

Delaware also has a Discretionary Permit system, but they issue one Permit for every 767 people. You are ten times more likely to get a Permit in Delaware than in Maryland.
http://www.marylandshallissue.org/ccwdata.html

I have heard of cases where people's lives were threatened and even though it was documented by the police, they were still denied a permit.

joe4702
September 5, 2007, 10:09 PM
Some counties in CA are defacto shall-issue or nearly so, but for the majority of citizens the state is essentially no-issue, unless you are a celeb, well-connected or good buddies with the CLEO in your county of residence.

cbsbyte
September 5, 2007, 10:38 PM
In Massachusetts it depends where you live since licensing is at the discretion of the issuing officer. In large cities, and some large towns it is near impossible to get a unrestricted Class A LTC which allows one to CCW. Otherwise most CLEO's seems to issue unrestricted licenses as standard practice once one passes the background checks. The LEOs of my town only give out unrestricted licenses unless one asks for another license, all firearm licenses are $100 for six years. The city near me does not issue LTC Class A.

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