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Drizzt
July 7, 2003, 02:03 AM
The Gazette (Montreal, Quebec)

July 5, 2003 Saturday Final Edition

SECTION: Editorial / Op-ed; Pg. A31

LENGTH: 546 words

HEADLINE: Law now favours robbers and oppressors: Right of self-defence. Shop owners are morally right to defend their property and themselves

SOURCE: Freelance

BYLINE: PIERRE LEMIEUX

BODY:
By welcoming the prosecution of Harjeet Singh Saini on charges of aggravated assault against a burglar inside his depanneur ("Vigilante Policing No Way to Fight Crime," July 2, 2003), The Gazette is insulting common sense, violating morality, ignoring economic and criminological research and negating a few centuries of Western tradition.

The moral argument was already in John Locke's Second Treatise of Civil Government, a seminal book in the history of Western liberty, published in 1690. Locke explained that it is "lawful for a man to kill a thief who has not in the least hurt him, nor declared any design upon his life, any farther than by the use of force, so to get him in his power as to take away his money, or what he pleases, from him; because using force, where he has no right to get me into his power ... I have no reason to suppose that he who would take away my liberty would not, when he had me in his power, take away everything else."

"The law," Locke continued, "where it cannot interpose to secure my life from present force, which if lost is capable of no reparation, permits me my own defence and ... a liberty to kill the aggressor because the aggressor allows not time to appeal to our common judge, nor the decision of the law, for remedy in a case where the mischief may be irreparable.

"If the innocent honest man must quietly quit all he has for peace sake, to him who will lay violent hands upon it, I desire it may be considered what kind of peace there will be in the world, which consists only in violence and rapine; and which is to be maintained only for the benefit of robbers and oppressors."

Indeed, economic arguments also support our traditional right of self-defence. When citizens yield to criminals, the latter's risk and costs decrease and more crimes are committed. There is much criminological and economic evidence to that effect.

As things are going, Canada will soon be like Britain, where honest citizens are forbidden to defend themselves, where only criminals have guns and where the population lives in fear, including fear of reporting criminals.

Not only has the Canadian population gradually been disarmed by three major pieces of firearm-control legislation over a quarter of a century - the last act being played now - but the right of individuals to defend themselves, even with baseball bats, is now openly under attack. Indeed, the two issues are closely related. One of the first weapons to be declared prohibited just after the 1978 firearm-control law was Mace, a self-defence tool.

In half a century, we have gone from a society where the cop was only a specialized servant of the citizen, with basically no more power than his master, to a situation where powerfully armed praetorians claim the monopoly of our protection, demand that we submit to criminals when they cannot intervene and arrest us when we exert the traditional rights of free men. All this, to the benefit of robbers and oppressors.

Protecting the aggressor and prosecuting the victim, favouring the criminal over the honest citizen, is not the mark of a civilized society but the imprint of a quiet tyranny.

Pierre Lemieux is co-director of the Economics and Liberty Research Group at the Universite du Quebec en Outaouais.
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Wow! Now, don't hold back Pierre....


:D

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TallPine
July 7, 2003, 08:55 AM
Look out, you all - I hear agricola coming ....

:D

Standing Wolf
July 7, 2003, 09:10 PM
Protecting the aggressor and prosecuting the victim, favouring the criminal over the honest citizen, is not the mark of a civilized society but the imprint of a quiet tyranny.

Quiet? Not always.

F4GIB
July 7, 2003, 10:28 PM
What else does a "subject" of the Queen expect?

Self defense is forbidden in England and Australia. Why should Canada be different?

It must be proximity to those free citizens to the South. The Canadian government will have to jam American TV and radio.

P95Carry
July 7, 2003, 10:37 PM
This continuing legislation ..... against self defence .... and thus ever more FOR the perps has me both puzzled (from a logic standpoint) and extraordinarily angered.

It makes NO sense .. it goes against all that is decent. I could go on but this rant is getting old .. and yet the reasons for it just seem to expand over time. It is sickening.

jimpeel
July 7, 2003, 11:31 PM
There are those who, when they set pen to paper, are so skilled at literary exprression that one ponders to oneself "Damn, I wish I had written that -- even half as skillfully!"

In half a century, we have gone from a society where the cop was only a specialized servant of the citizen, with basically no more power than his master, to a situation where powerfully armed praetorians claim the monopoly of our protection, demand that we submit to criminals when they cannot intervene and arrest us when we exert the traditional rights of free men. All this, to the benefit of robbers and oppressors.

WAGCEVP
July 7, 2003, 11:42 PM
I've have discussions with Pierre before. He's quit a guy, in my opinion


Great Job as always, Pierre!

blackdragon
July 8, 2003, 07:35 PM
Regarding "The Canadian government will have to jam American TV", legislation is in place in Canada that bans tv/radio from being recieved by Canadians unless it has been approved by the Canadian Govt (CRTC).

(Some details at http://www.petitiononline.com/15426894/petition.html )

From (poor) memory the law was passed some time ago gave the CRTC (Canadian Radio and Television Comittee) the right to regulate all radio/tv signals in Canada, but at the time they promised that it wouldn't be applied to foreign signals (but wouldn't word it that way).

Recently the Supreme court ruled that the law in fact does apply to all foreign signals...and now Canada joins China and Cuba in a list of countries where the Gov't has the right to tell you what you can listen to/watch...

Personally, I'm out of Canada, and will never go back...but my family/friends up there do not seem concerned at this, and telll me I'm paranoid, and have been in the 'states too long.


Canada: not a good place to be...

(Any Canadians present can feel free to correct any omissions I have made...)

Keith
(soon-to-be former Canadian)

P95Carry
July 8, 2003, 10:54 PM
Just wondering how satellite output is ''controlled'' ......... I guess only way is to ''get at'' the decoders permitted for ownership ..... :(

Geoge Orwell ...... 1984 is alive and well .... and flourishing .......

blackdragon
July 8, 2003, 11:42 PM
Satellite receivers in Canad that can get US broadcasts ( DirectTV mostly) were always 'grey-market'. Companies used to sell 'pirate' DirectTV systems in Canada openly; no loss to DirectTV since they cannot llegally 'sell' their signal to Canadians.

RCMP is now shutting down those dealers based on the 'no unapporved TV' rulings. Possession of a 'foreign' receiver is likely now a crime. I've heard that this is being challenged, but if the RCMP want to start busting the subjects up there, all they have to do is drive around looking for houses with a DirectTV dish mounted -- probably enough for them to get a warrant.

Check out http://legal-rights.org/

(Found out my dad is a criminal now -- he chose to not register his rifle and shotgun.)

Canada is well on the way to a police state, albeit one with same sex marriages, and decriminalized marijuana...

Keith

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