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Politically Incorrect
July 7, 2003, 12:08 PM
www.goodbyeguns.org

Here's a group that wants to take away all private guns. They want to enact laws that:

1. Create a one year period for the United States of America to purchase at fair market value all guns and firearms, including hand guns, rifles, and even antique guns and rifles from domestic private ownership.

2. Prohibit and criminalize the domestic sale of guns and firearms, whether new or used.

3. Seize and destroy any gun or firearm found after the termination of the purchase period without compensation.

4. Prohibit and criminalize the domestic possession of a gun or firearm after the termination of the one year purchase period.

5. Provide exemptions for governmental law enforcement agencies, the armed services, and bona fide museums.

I must say that there are quite a few THR members whose collection could be considered a museum. "He's Bona Fide!"

But knowing that our government cannot pay for its debt now, how soon would the U.S. declare bankruptcy if it were to pay for all civilian owned guns at fair market value.

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Kharn
July 7, 2003, 12:11 PM
They'll never write the check if Henry Bowman gets there first. :evil:

Kharn

Moparmike
July 7, 2003, 12:26 PM
I dare that group to try it on their own. I will move if such a thing were to actually pass, preferably somewhere my gun rights are even more open. God knows where I will find it.

There is a reason that Melon Lave is our battle cry. We use it not only as a slogan, but as a recourse to oppresive government gun-grabbing, and as a way of life. The more I read on this forum, the more I realize that my gun-rights are in more danger than I knew, and I dont even own one yet.

mephisto
July 7, 2003, 12:29 PM
What a great site. Tons of great info. Very well researched with some nice 'toons. Bravo goodbyeguns.com you have changed my mind. I cant find any reason to try to debate Anti's. They have no sense at all.

Justin
July 7, 2003, 12:37 PM
The thing about the internet is that it gives practically anyone a world-wide soapbox to stand on and harangue the masses from.

Even lunatics like this Clark Garen fellow.

:neener:

TheOtherOne
July 7, 2003, 01:33 PM
I couldn't resist e-maling them... from my junk e-mail address anyways, so I don't get tagged as a anti-gun zealot! :)

Hello,

I ran across your website and just wanted to say that you are doing a good job. Our children need a gunless society to be able grow up safely without living in fear. However, one point I disagree with is number 5:

"5. Provide exemptions for governmental law enforcement agencies, the armed services, and bona fide museums."

To rid this country of evil guns and protect our children, we must not allow anyone to have them and since it will be illegal for people, criminals and potential criminals to have guns this means the police and armed services won't need them either. Making guns against the law for everyone is the only way to ensure that our children will truly be safe from all exposure to them.

pale horse
July 7, 2003, 01:39 PM
All of the nuts and fruits seem to come out of kalifornie.

A few thoughts.

If you would like to come and get my firearms you come and do it yourself. Dont rely on the gummit to come and get them from me.

Selective freedom is not freedom. While this nut job wants to spout off his freedom of speech what he does not want is for someone else to use the rest of their rights.

About the time the government takes away all gun rights is about the time another group will want to make a different country.

Knives can and do have better stats supporting that they are more deadly than firearms. I read that 80% of all knife wounds/stabs are fatal and only 35-45% of gun shot wounds are fatal.

If you would like my firearms so bad come and take them.


Just a side note I think we should let kalifornie become its own country and turn Eastern washington, northern Idaho, and western Montana into one state to make up for the kalifiornie loss. Let the bliss ninnies live in their idea of a utopia.

brookstexas
July 7, 2003, 01:40 PM
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
Sigmund Freud, "General Introduction to Psychoanlysis", 1952 printing

Henry Bowman
July 7, 2003, 01:55 PM
You rang?

There'll be no need for check writin' today.

TallPine
July 7, 2003, 02:14 PM
Moron Labe! "come and get them, you idiots!"


I don't want to end up in a nursing home anyway :neener:

mtnbkr
July 7, 2003, 02:15 PM
Melon Lave is our battle cry

Come get our melons? :scrutiny:

:neener:

Chris

MMcCall
July 7, 2003, 02:35 PM
Somebody's seen Demolition Man too many times.

The first half, anyway :)

Be well, citizen!

citizen
July 7, 2003, 02:40 PM
You talkin' to me????

You talkin' to me?????????:neener:

cordex
July 7, 2003, 02:48 PM
I read that 80% of all knife wounds/stabs are fatal and only 35-45% of gun shot wounds are fatal.
I have a hard time believing that figure on knife wounds. The mortality rate on gunshot victims seems about right, but 80% for knife wounds? Doesn't jive with me.

MicroBalrog
July 7, 2003, 02:55 PM
Here's mine

Hi!
On your site, it says that "The *NUMBER ONE* cause of children's deaths in the home is guns." Where did you get this information?
***** *****,
Bat-Yam, Israel

Politically Incorrect
July 7, 2003, 03:22 PM
I was just thinking about how much it would cost for the 200 million guns for the government if such a scenario occurred.

200 Million Firearms X $250 = $50 Trillion

I'm sure Uncle Sam could write some more I.O.U.'s...I mean non-marketable treasury bonds.

LightPlanePilot
July 7, 2003, 04:01 PM
I paid cash for my guns. I would accept nothing less than cash from the feds.

If they can't pay cash, then the guns get burried somewhere along with all my ammo.

However I have nothing to worry about unless they repeal the Bill of Rights.

DigitalWarrior
July 7, 2003, 04:15 PM
They want to pay "fair-market-value" for the weapons. As there are fewer weapons in the market the market will fairly increase their value. Unless the government fixed prices. That isn't fair-market, now is it?

cordex
July 7, 2003, 04:20 PM
They want to pay "fair-market-value" for the weapons. As there are fewer weapons in the market the market will fairly increase their value. Unless the government fixed prices. That isn't fair-market, now is it?
And what kind of "fair-market-value" can be established when the market no longer exists? Which is to say, since (presumably) at the time of the buyout, purchase and sales of the weapons by civilians will be outlawed, firearms will be essentially without market value (making them either worthless or priceless, depending on your outlook).

dj53
July 7, 2003, 05:01 PM
If you read this guys bio, he is trying to say he defends individual rights that our forefathers fought and died for........From his website ....


"It's no surprise that Clark finds these people interesting. In his legal practice, he relishes cases that emphasize the rights of the individual. "Even though the preservation of individual rights is out of fashion now," Clark explains, "I've always admired Supreme Court Chief Justice Earl Warren, who understood that the primary purpose of the Court was protecting every individual from being oppressed by the Government." As Clark notes, this philosophy sometimes puts him at odds with the trends of the day.

Clark believes a small group of con artists are fooling our citizens into throwing away the rights our founding fathers paid for with their lives. Think Radio advocates "awareness and thought" as tools to defeat these evil and sinister con artists. "


Doesn't sound like a gun grabber to me......Which part is real and which part is fantasy? Does anybody listen to this guy on the radio?

brookstexas
July 7, 2003, 06:23 PM
Priceless collections were taken and the owners given "fair market value".
I'm sure the gubmint will do us right also! ;)
BT

Combat-wombat
July 7, 2003, 06:29 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!:barf: :barf: :barf:

Combat-wombat
July 7, 2003, 06:36 PM
You can't debate with these antis. What, they have some stupid cartoons that are based on lies and I'm supposed to believe them? My god, ban ALL guns? What has this world come to???

2nd Amendment
July 7, 2003, 06:39 PM
I was wondering about that, too, dj. He is very clear on individual rights and the BoR and yet his site is built around the ultimate violation of one of those Rights...Somewhere the fellow has a huge joke going on but knowing nothing about him except his site I don't have a clue where the humor is.

mephisto
July 7, 2003, 07:03 PM
I never thought of the money part of it. $50 trillion! Now that makes sense. The Steyr that I bought for $300 well now its worth $610(MSRP). They can’t even come up with a realistic lie.

Standing Wolf
July 7, 2003, 09:45 PM
If they want my guns, they'll have to accept the ammunition first.

michiganfan
July 7, 2003, 10:46 PM
Moparmike Hey dude when are you going to get a gun? I know you are one of us. So come on board. Lock and load.

Moparmike
July 8, 2003, 02:20 AM
Probably when I get my student loans. I am currently looking at an old 8mm Mauser. I would like to save up and have my parents buy me a Llama Max-1 .45 acp (friend of mine swears by his). Only trouble with a 45 is the ammo price, even in bulk where I am looking. I will do some more looking tonight though.

S_O_Laban
July 8, 2003, 02:33 AM
Mtnbkr LOL ( I wasn't going to say anything but I see you did:D )

Ole R L Emery might have something to say about coming to get them melons:D

cordex
July 8, 2003, 02:34 AM
One word, Mike.

Reloading.

Moparmike
July 8, 2003, 04:45 AM
How expensive is it to get started in reloading? I mean from empty garage table to finished round.

Art Eatman
July 8, 2003, 10:03 AM
Mopar, by shopping around gunshows for good used stuff, you can find a "C" or "O" press, a set of dies and powder scales for maybeso $150, and possibly a bit less. The seller commonly with throw in the miscellaneous "stuff" you'll also find handy. A pound of rifle powder will cost some $20. 100 hunting bullets for around $15, +/-. You can often find brass at a range; clean and resize it. Or, gunstores often have once-fired brass for five to eight cents.

Back to the thread: I've always sorta figured some $400 per gun, average overall. Multiply that by 200 million and you have more than my mommy gives me for an allowance. Eighty billion? I don't really think that'll happen.

And if you force a court suit for each and every gun, under the requirements for Eminent Domain purchases, it could not only be a higher average price per gun, the feds would have to pay the court costs. Let the Congressfolks explain THAT tax increase to their constituents.

:), Art

mtnbkr
July 8, 2003, 10:40 AM
How expensive is it to get started in reloading? I mean from empty garage table to finished round

I think it cost my dad about $200 to buy the hardware to load two calibers. This didn't include consumables though. He bought a Lee turret press after using mine. The kit he bought included everything he needed for one caliber (Turret Press, dies, scale, trimming tools, powder measure, etc). All he had to buy in addition was the other set of dies, another powder measure, and a turret plate.

Just to veer offtopic for a sec, my dad wasn't even a shooter three years ago. Now he has three guns of his own and reloads for two of them. I'm such a bad influence :evil:

Chris

Moparmike
July 8, 2003, 02:27 PM
Cool. Too bad the milsurp ammo is bordan primed and not boxer primed. That is too much work.

Back to thread: I dont care if they are offering me $1000 for a $100 Mauser or a $30 Crapola (c) plinker bb-gun. As far as I am concerned they will be asked nicely to take their money and spend it on something useful, like a rifle, and leave my property. If they persist, they will be introduced to my gun. IF that doesnt pursuade them to leave, they might be introduced to the product of rapidly expanding gasses against lead. Then they see how well they dance.:D

"Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight...":cool:

Sorry, I sort of thought that last thing was appropriate for some reason:rolleyes: ...

Drjones
July 8, 2003, 03:59 PM
I wrote simply:


Hello sir.

In order to help you on your campaign, I wish to turn in my guns and I invite you to come and pick them up.

Bullets first.


Warmest regards,
My Real Name

Drjones
July 8, 2003, 04:01 PM
Not that such an extremist lunatic fringe movement would gain serious momentum, but this is something I would start shooting for.

Skunkabilly
July 8, 2003, 04:26 PM
5. Provide exemptions for governmental law enforcement agencies, the armed services, and bona fide museums.

What about the entertainment industry? They always get a pass.

Um...when only police have guns, that's what we call a police state. Duh.

:cuss: socialists.

Drjones
July 8, 2003, 04:55 PM
Um...when only police have guns, that's what we call a police state. Duh.

I just thought of something hilarious:

The same unwashed hippie moron communists who are anti-2A desperately want only the police to have guns, yet they constantly complain about the "increasing militarization" of the police and complain about "harrassment" during their riots...er..."demonstrations."

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

cslinger
July 8, 2003, 05:01 PM
Let's see.

Let's call the average firearm price about $500 that should take into conderation the real cheapies and the big buck mult thousand bad boys.

So 200,000,000 x $500 = 1,000,000,000,000 or in that neighborhood.

I wish them all the luck. :scrutiny:

Bostonterrier97
July 8, 2003, 08:00 PM
200 Million Firearms
Average Cost per firearm = $400

Total Cost of Buy back = 80 BILLION DOLLARS

Hmmmmm....seems like it would be about a third of what we spend on National Defense every year..

I don't think the Anti's would be willing to not only fork over the money
or pay for it in ....uhhhh...."higher currency"

Triad
July 8, 2003, 08:30 PM
The cost of collecting the guns should be taken into account as well. I suppose the government could manage the confiscation with existing organizations (I mean using ATF rather than create a Office of Civilian Disarmament or some such), but they'll have to have more people. How much is the recruiting, training and such going to cost them?

TallPine
July 8, 2003, 08:49 PM
How much is the recruiting, training and such going to cost them?

Not to mention the rate of "attrition" of the personnel :D

Smoke
July 8, 2003, 08:55 PM
Assinine! Idiotic! Moronic!

If they are going to buy my guns, they have to buy my accessories as well. Holsters, cases, safes, rangebags, my supply of ammo, reloading equipment, scopes, trap machine, cleaning kits, rags, chemicals, clothing, glasses, ear muffs, ear plugs, ......


Just cut me a check for $2.5 Million today and UI'll send it all to ya. :neener:

Triad
July 8, 2003, 08:56 PM
Something else, imagine all the paper work that would generate and how much that would cost. Since Art mentioned the fact that people could take it to court, imagine how much more paper work it would create if only 10% of gun owners chose to go to court.

Smoke
July 8, 2003, 09:05 PM
You know...a little editing is all their petition needed:

We, the people, are tired of having our schools invaded by
psychotic youngsters. We, the people, are tired of being
robbed of our political leaders by some psychotic with a gun
or a rifle. We, the people, are tired of passing through
metal detectors on our way to our courts and our
governmental buildings. We, the people, are tired of
being victimized by gun carrying criminals.

While there are many long term solutions that would
decrease the number of outlaw gun operators, there will
always be an unacceptable number of non-compliant gun
operators in a country with a population of 250 million
people. We, the people, are faced with only two choices.
One is to place guards, metal detectors, and other devices
designed to invade the personal liberties of the citizens at
every single place where the public gathers. The other
alternative is to arm every citizen of the
United States of America. Given that we must choose from
one of these two choices, we, the people, choose to arm all
the people from the United States of America.

We, the people, therefore call upon you, our elected
representatives, to enact legislation to provide enough guns and
firearms to all private citizens. We, the people, call upon
you, our elected representatives, to enact laws to:

1. Create a one year period for the United States of America
to purchase at fair market value all guns and firearms,
including hand guns, rifles, and even antique guns and
rifles to supply domestic private ownership.

2. Support and defend the domestic sale of guns and
firearms, whether new or used.

3. Return or resell any gun or firearm found after the
termination of the purchase period without hesitation.

4. Prohibit and criminalize the domestic non-possession of a
gun or firearm after the termination of the one year
purchase period.

5. Provide exemptions for governmental law enforcement
agencies, the armed services, and bona fide museums.

Drjones
July 9, 2003, 02:13 PM
Not to mention the rate of "attrition" of the personnel :D You took the words right out of my mouth.

Only I'm not smiling.

LostOneToo
July 11, 2003, 11:35 PM
The overall worth is "Freedom"..can they write a check for that????;)

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