Camping in WA. Can I bring my rifle w/ me?


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Ari
July 7, 2003, 11:38 AM
I'm going camping next weekend. Where we are camping is about 10 miles off any concrete road, and is pretty well isolated. I beleive it may be a state park, but am not entirely sure. What are the laws on bring a rifle out there? I've never brought any with me before. But the last time we went out there we had a scary situation.

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pale horse
July 7, 2003, 12:25 PM
Which park are you going to?

I would take a rifle and conseal my pistol that way I have one for mountian lion, tiggers and bears as well as 2 footers. I dont forsee there being a problem with you having one unless you are flashing around.

Sunray
July 7, 2003, 03:19 PM
Are you allowed to carry in State Parks? What do you call a "scary situation"? And you'd still have to be justified if you decide to shoot anything or anybody. If you chose to carry anyway, carry a handgun. Less conspicuous. Only do so if it's legal where you're going and you have CYA yourself. No point in going to jail and/or being fined for a "scary situation".

Ari
July 7, 2003, 03:49 PM
By scary situation, I was referring to Bears and wolves and other wild life that inhabit that park. Me and my buddy were fishing and had a bear and cub walk across the river from us less than 150 yards out. Next day, after coming back from the lake, our camp site was ran sacked by something, either wolves or a mountain cat. I'm not a trouble maker. I would only shoot if me or my party is in definate life or death situation, which I would gladly own up to at that point. Is it legal to carry in a State park? Don't know, which is why I posted this. Please read my first post.

thanks anyhow.

DAT
July 7, 2003, 04:54 PM
Call your local dept. of fish amd wildlife or bureau of land management office. They should either know for sure or be able to direct you to someone who does.

DAT

Shalako
July 7, 2003, 05:10 PM
Try not to invite critters into your camp.
If you can, use a bear box or at least keep all food, toothpaste, deoderant, gum, etc in a special bag, then haul it all up into a tree. I'm all for taking rifles camping but there's no need having to shoot a critter that you just encouraged to visit by leaving goodies around.

But camping just wouldn't be any fun without some sorta gun!

Drjones
July 7, 2003, 05:54 PM
I'm by no means an expert, but might I suggest a shotgun if you are considering a long gun?

It just seems to me that if you had a mountain lion/bear/whatever charging you at anything faster than a walk, you'd have a much better chance of actually hitting it with a 12er.

Ari
July 7, 2003, 05:58 PM
I have a 4x4 storage box that mounts to the top of my Cherokee when we go camping. When we are there, I usually take it off and place it at the camp site to be used as a food locker. We tie off all of our garbage a couple of yards away. I never knew about that tooth paste and deodorant, so I'll keep that in the food locker from now on as well. I'm probably one of the biggest animal lovers around. I would hate to have to do that. But if it means life or death... I'll see you in heaven mr. Bear.

Ari
July 7, 2003, 06:02 PM
"I'm by no means an expert, but might I suggest a shotgun if you are considering a long gun?

That is exactly what I'm planning on taking along. 7 shot pump 12g w/ 5 slugs on the stock. I wouldn't even consider taking anything else.

Drjones
July 7, 2003, 06:09 PM
That is exactly what I'm planning on taking along. 7 shot pump 12g w/ 5 slugs on the stock. I wouldn't even consider taking anything else. Oh. Well, you said "rifle" so I thought "rifle."

Your bad. ;) :p

Alan Smithiee
July 7, 2003, 06:09 PM
http://www.parks.wa.gov/

http://www.parks.wa.gov/contacts.asp

Information Center
Available to assist with questions regarding specific parks, overnight accommodations, recreation programs and seasonal park closures.
Phone: (360) 902-8844
E-mail: infocent@parks.wa.gov

according to WA State parks information (which I just called), loaded firearms (long guns) are illegal in state parks. you may NOT discharge a firearm in, on or over any state park. (CCW is legal, but they had better not see it)

the person on the other end pointed out quite strongly that WA park rangers are armed.

you may want to contact them yourself for more info

Ari
July 7, 2003, 06:49 PM
I was just hoping that someone on here would know or had experience. I didn't intend for anyone else to do homework on it but I sure do appreciate it!! Thanks alot for your help!:D I'll give them a call!

Ari
July 7, 2003, 06:50 PM
Sorry. I've always thought that shotguns were also referred to as rifles. My bad in deed. Learn something every day!

Alan Smithiee
July 7, 2003, 06:51 PM
no problem Ari. I've had my share of dealings with WA RE: firearms and they can be wierd. just doing my bit to help out.

HABU
July 8, 2003, 12:32 AM
I was referring to Bears and wolves and other wild life that inhabit that park.

We got woovs in Washington?:scrutiny:

Alan Smithiee
July 8, 2003, 11:51 AM
quote:I was referring to Bears and wolves and other wild life that inhabit that park.

We got woovs in Washington?

illegal immigrants from Canada and Idaho... they just don't seem to have an respect for States Rights or borders.

gehwehrnut
July 8, 2003, 12:01 PM
Hey, Nanaimo Barr, I'm new to this board (obviously) and was wondering where up here do you live? I'm in Post Falls.

Alan Smithiee
July 8, 2003, 01:11 PM
jeese! more and more of us all the time out here in the North Wet, and even the inland north wet! we're down Moscow/Pullman area.

gehwehrnut
July 8, 2003, 01:32 PM
Yeah, I've seen a few Nor'westerners here on these boards. By the way, I'm not sure your tag-line is totally accurate anymore.

Gastonite
July 8, 2003, 05:08 PM
Hi Gang,

Here's a section of the Revised Code of Washington pertaining to the possession of arms. As I read it, State Park officials may not curb your right to possess firearms if you are hiking or camping, or "engaging" in other outdoor activities.

As a general rule, I would not display firearms if there are 100 other campsites right around you in a formal family camp setting. If you're hiking/camping deep within the woods, I'd have a rifle/shotgun with. Use your best judgement and your a$$ will follow. Mine does. :D


I've pasted the eighth provision to RCW 9.41.050 below.

"Exceptions to restrictions on carrying firearms.
The provisions of RCW 9.41.050 shall not apply to:

(8) Any person engaging in a lawful outdoor recreational activity such as hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, or horseback riding, only if, considering all of the attendant circumstances, including but not limited to whether the person has a valid hunting or fishing license, it is reasonable to conclude that the person is participating in lawful outdoor activities or is traveling to or from a legitimate outdoor recreation area;"

Ari
July 8, 2003, 05:58 PM
I just found that myself! Thanks for sharing!

Alan Smithiee
July 8, 2003, 09:58 PM
hmmm,. nice and vaugly worded.. (so what else is new), what they told me was "loaded" and "you may not fire a bullet in, on or over any state park".

you may want to call and ask and then ask them for the specific part of the act they are quoteing. chapter and verse.

(really handy if you can be looking at the section online while they are trying to figure out what part they are quoteing)

it's that "considering all the attendant circumstances" part that worries me, WA is fond of "gotcha" laws.




and partly true Gehwehrnut, but there still are a few.. there have been some run ins localy...

gehwehrnut
July 8, 2003, 10:22 PM
Quote:and partly true Gehwehrnut, but there still are a few.. there have been some run ins localy...
Don't hear of much up here anymore, but that doesn't mean anything. I do know they aren't near as prevalent as they once were.

Gastonite
July 9, 2003, 01:17 AM
I sent this email to the address provided above. I'll let you know what response I receive! I'm hoping for some logic from them and not a canned, politically correct bear spray answer.

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Hello,

I plan to both hike and camp around remote areas of Washington State this summer, and am brushing-up on legalities associated with the carrying of firearms for bear/cougar/human protection in State Parks. I feel I understand the meaning of RCW 9.41.050 in this regard, but would appreciate your insights or take on this.

I've pasted the eighth provision to RCW 9.41.050 below.

"Exceptions to restrictions on carrying firearms.
The provisions of RCW 9.41.050 shall not apply to:

(8) Any person engaging in a lawful outdoor recreational activity such as hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, or horseback riding, only if, considering all of the attendant circumstances, including but not limited to whether the person has a valid hunting or fishing license, it is reasonable to conclude that the person is participating in lawful outdoor activities or is traveling to or from a legitimate outdoor recreation area;"

Any insights over this as it pertains to hiking/camping in remote State Parks would be much appreciated.

Thank you,
XXXXXXXX

Ari
July 9, 2003, 02:17 AM
My interpretation of that code was that I could legally bring a gun either hiking, camping, hunting or fishing. As long as those activities are not prohibited in the area and that I have a license for either hunting or fishing. And it would be strictly used for (except of course during hunting) self defense and just not out there plinking.

Alan Smithiee
July 9, 2003, 12:15 PM
the problem I have seen with WA is that some times they can be "creative" in what they say the law is, they also have some real boobytrap laws. so they can "gotcha" if they want. they seem to be quite good at tacking things onto other peices of legislation that affect legislation that don't mention the addmendment.

(IE: I'm not allowed to be in possessesion of a firearm in WA because I need a special permit, but I can't get the special permit because WA AG doesn't recognize the FBI/INS/ISP/County Sherrif as being competant athority to do a background check)

I'm waiting for WA to recognize ID CCW. then that is going to cause an interesting legal mess for WA.. got a lawyer on standby for that one!

gehwehrnut
July 10, 2003, 12:18 PM
According to packing.org, you can apply for a non-resident CCW in the state of WA.Look here (http://www.packing.org/state/index.jsp/washington)

Sunray
July 10, 2003, 02:57 PM
"...either wolves or a mountain cat..." If only the coolers were opened and everything in it scattered all over creation it was most likely a skunk or raccoon. If the tent was shredded too, think bruin, not from Boston. And it means your camp was acting as bait. Too many good smells for Yogi to ignore.
Wolves won't bother you even if you're lucky enough to see one in the bush. There has never been a documented case of wild wolves attacking people. Not even little girls in red hoods going to grandma's house. Mountain lions don't eat garbage and will only bother you if you look and act like prey or bother them.
Mama bear will leave you alone if you leave her kid alone. Get between mama and junior and you have a serious scary situation. Otherwise just sit still and don't make any sudden or threatening movements. You pose no threat to mama, but she will teach you not to get between her and junior if you do.
Skunks and raccoons see your camp as a source of tasty easy to get food. Mind you, if you see a skunk in broad day light it's likely rabid. Head shots only. And not with a shotgun. A coon you can chase off with a flashlight.
There are very few wild beasties that want to have anything to do with you. To them you smell like trouble. Serious trouble. However, if your camp smells like food, you will be visited, but your lack of cleanliness is no reason to shoot a bear. It always amazes me the fear some of the poster on these and other forums have of bears. Wear a big jungle bell on your person and Yogi will know where you are and avoid you. Doesn't work so well when hunting though.

Orthonym
July 10, 2003, 04:16 PM
Don't people who ought to know (wildlife biologists and serious outdoors types) say that one should behave differently when accosted by brown vs.black bears? I.e., if the Grizz jumps you, you should play dead until she loses interest and goes away, and you might survive; if a black bear jumps you, you should put up a fight because it wants to EAT you! (Of course, some black bears are rather brown-looking.:D )

Alan Smithiee
July 10, 2003, 09:35 PM
gehwehrnut, I asked specificaly about that. and was told even if they issued me the CCW it would still be a felony because I don't have the Alien Firearm Permit .

(see. told you they could be sneaky)

scotjute
July 11, 2003, 01:53 PM
With grizzlies there are supposed to be two recommended courses of action :

First : Play dead. This is used when you have surprised a grizzly and are too close to attempt evasive action or fire a gun. They may bite you and shake you a time or two, but will usually leave you if you continue to play dead. Once the grizzly senses you are no longer a threat to him/her/cubs, they will lose interest and leave. However if you wriggle and scream while they are biting you, they will likely continue until you are limp and quiet.

Second : Fight like hell. This is used when you have been dragged out of your tent or sleeping bag, usually in the night. In this case the grizzly thinks you are food and is intent upon eating all or part of you. Playing dead will only get you eaten in this case. Fighting like a wildcat may still get you eaten, but occasionally people do survive the initial attack and run off or kill the bear.

Miracle
December 27, 2011, 10:12 PM
Please delete this post... it was made in error.

jonn5335
December 27, 2011, 10:28 PM
It is legal. I live in Wa and go everywhere with a gun or 2 or 3 just don't forget you're discovery pass :D

Mainsail
December 28, 2011, 08:43 PM
Here in Washington there are State Parks, National Parks, National Forests, and Wilderness Areas. Open handgun carry is legal in all of them. You DO NOT need a permit or license from any state to carry a handgun openly, whether you do so in Seattle or a Park. You DO need a license or compatible state's permit to carry a handgun loaded in your vehicle. There is nothing walking, running, crawling, or prowling the woods in Washington that requires a shotgun to kill it, except for maybe up along the Canadian border where grizzlies have been seen.

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