LEO sees online photo of your guns and kills you?


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MrPeter
September 7, 2007, 12:23 PM
I didn't see this posted before, although it isn't really that new.

I think it's probably the most shocking and disturbing thing I have read in the news yet. The LEO didn't even get a slap on the wrist. How can he sleep at night?

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/637859.html
Facebook.com and Myspace.com are virtual billboards for young people to proclaim who they are.
But for many, these social networking sites are places where they try on disguises, mimicking tough or provocative identities often counter to their honor-roll reality.

For the police and school officials turning to these sites to monitor students and investigate crimes, navigating the space between pretending and endangering can be deadly.

Ryan Mills knows the cost of posting a photo that unsettled police.

Mills, 21, posed on Facebook with friends and high-powered guns. A deputy sheriff ended up shooting to death Mills' friend Peyton Strickland, an 18-year-old college student from Durham, during a botched raid in December in Wilmington. A grand jury decided last week that the deputy, who said he expected heavily armed resistance based on the Facebook picture, should not be indicted for fatally shooting an unarmed Strickland through the door.

University of North Carolina-Wilmington police and sheriff's deputies had gone to the Wilmington home of Strickland, a student at Cape Fear Community College, looking for a PlayStation 3 video game machine they suspected he and Mills stole.

Police feared that the guns pictured with Mills were in Strickland's house. Christopher Long, the deputy who shot Strickland, carried a .45-caliber submachine gun, a .45-caliber pistol, two extra pistol magazines, two extra sub gun magazines, a gas mask, a knife and a flash bang grenade, according to court records.

Long fired through the front door after mistaking the sound of a battering ram hitting the door for the blast of a gun.

"If I had even thought once that [the photo] could be misconstrued, or even worse, used against me or my friends by the people who are supposed to be protecting human life, I would have removed them," Mills said Friday, speaking publicly about the photo for the first time.

Two years ago, Mills tried out his new digital camera by snapping pictures of himself and his buddies posing with a friend's gun collection.

They spent the day target shooting, then goofed around at the licensed gun owner's house in Pittsboro, posing like tough guys with the unloaded rifles and handguns. In the photos, Mills is smirking; another friend is grinning.

Mills thought the photos were cool and posted a few to his Facebook profile. They joined a collage of pictures of college parties and beach trips.

An affidavit by Long filed as part of the grand jury proceedings last week shows just how much stock police put in Mills' Facebook photo.

Long said the mission that night was expected to be "extraordinarily dangerous." He described Mills' photo as "intimidating" and "hostile."

Long's team, he said in the affidavit, had been briefed that the "AR-15 firearms that we had seen in the photos and which were believed to be in the residence were capable of penetrating our body armor."

Mills said he can't believe officers made such a leap.

"Anyone looking closely at the facial expressions in the photo can tell it is just guys goofing on the guns," Mills said.

It is not clear why officers thought those guns would be in Strickland's house. Strickland is not in the photo. Mills did not live with Strickland. He lived in a townhouse three miles away; the address appeared in a campus directory.

Police found nothing but an unloaded hunting rifle and shotgun in Strickland's room at the other end of his house, said his father, Don Strickland of Durham. Peyton Strickland was a licensed hunter.

Strickland's death presents a sobering lesson on how photos and statements posted online can be misinterpreted.
Facebook and other Internet social networking sites such as MySpace.com and Friendster.com became popular with teens several years ago, creating online communities for chatting, sharing pictures and making friends. More and more university police departments are turning to these sites to gather information.

"As students have migrated to electronic communication, we've had to adjust to that," said N.C. State University Police Sgt. Jon Barnwell. "Day to day, we peruse these sites. It's part of our job now because that's where students are."

Nationally, police and university officials turn to these sites to make drastic decisions. Last year in Colorado, police arrested a 16-year-old boy pictured on MySpace with a gun and charged him with juvenile possession of a firearm.

In April, officials at the State University of New York in Cobleskill suspended student Tharindu Meepegama and sent him to a mental hospital after finding a Facebook photo of him posing with a shotgun and reading a comment they found troubling.

Meepegama, who is from Sri Lanka, was escorted from his apartment in handcuffs after university leaders saw the photo, he said. He has since won back his right to study there and says the incident was a misunderstanding.

"As they say, hindsight is 20-20," he said, "and now I lie in bed at night and think about everything I post online and make sure nothing can be misconstrued."

Intent lost in translation

Because of how students use these sites, it is easy to see why adults often misinterpret postings and photos.

"To the extent that it's a dress-up-and-play thing, it is widely misunderstood by adults," said Fred Stutzman, a graduate student at UNC-Chapel Hill who has conducted many studies on online social networking sites. "Just because we see these photos on the Internet does not mean we have a bunch of young people ready to have shootouts with police."

University police say they often don't have the luxury of giving students the benefit of the doubt. "When it comes to threatening behavior, unless we have something else to counter it, we have to treat it as a threat," said Marlene Hall, director of UNC-Charlotte's University Police and Public Safety. "We don't have some sort of magic notion or ESP or something."

UNC-Wilmington police have been unwilling to discuss their investigation into the PlayStation 3 robbery and the Dec. 1 raid of Strickland's house. They were unavailable Friday to discuss how their department uses sites such as Facebook to investigate student behavior.

In April, Mills pleaded guilty to common law robbery for his part in the PlayStation robbery. He is on probation and works full time with a crew building solar homes.

Strickland's death haunts him. His possible role in it devastates him.

"The injustice of his death crushed me, and it has taken a long time to even begin moving on from what has happened," Mills said.

After Strickland died, he stripped his Facebook profile off the Internet.

"It simply seems too risky to me now to involve myself in any way online, and I don't think that will ever change," Mills said.

(News researcher Denise Jones contributed to this report.)


So a cop sees a photo of someone with a gun, goes to his house, and mistakes the sound of HIS OWN battering ram for a gunshot out back and starts firing wildly into the walls and gets no punishment at all.

I am sick to my stomach.

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Rich K
September 7, 2007, 12:28 PM
Words fail me.

Hoppy590
September 7, 2007, 12:29 PM
ya im pretty sure im gunna be sick too. im actualy gunna forward this story to some news agencies. i remember when it happend. and they were claiming the deceased fired first. and all kinds of lies. and while, im sure ABC, CBS and all the others already know the truth and are helping spread the lies, maybe it can make it to some decent soul that cares

Added: just a little burp of what iv said thus far

While the story has been covered in the past. id encourage you to take a second look at the Wilmington, NC shooting death of an student by incompetent law enforcement officers, and the literal murder they got away with.
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/637859.html
can we really have police gunning down American Citizens over playstations? should incompetent cops be shooting blindly when they hear thier own battering rams?
should images of lawfull activities be used to justify overreaction and murder?

Pilgrim
September 7, 2007, 12:32 PM
A grand jury decided last week that the deputy, who said he expected heavily armed resistance based on the Facebook picture, should not be indicted for fatally shooting an unarmed Strickland through the door.
Thoroughly trained sheep on that grand jury.

Pilgrim

buzz_knox
September 7, 2007, 12:38 PM
The old joke is that a DA can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich. The corrolary is that the DA can get them to no bill Charles Manson if the DA plays things right. I'm just amazed this went to the grand jury at all.

I'd say this is a wave of the future but it's not. Mistaken identity or panic shootings have been around since projective weapons were invented. Facebook and other means of viewing images just provides another "opportunity" for mischief and means of explaining the aftermath. Where before, the officer had to cite a confidential informant's explanation of the dangerous weapons the suspect had, now they can go "See for yourself! He was armed to the teeth!"

Given that he 1) mistook the battering ram for a gun shot and 2) fired through a door without any clear target, I foresee a wrongful death claim based on failure to adequately train the officer.

armoredman
September 7, 2007, 12:41 PM
I am sickened.

TexKettering
September 7, 2007, 12:59 PM
My current Facebook profile picture:
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/6524/img9560mediumny5.jpg

Should I be expecting the Flint SWAT soon?

Wheeler44
September 7, 2007, 01:01 PM
Possibly one more reason not to post every firearm you own or want to own on the internet.
When I was growing up I was instructed not to talk our firearms outside of family and shooting friends. It was a security thing.
Now people post pictures of their safes and collections on the internet. The police and others have access to the internet. A simple statement taken out of context can bring the SWAT team.
I would think that circumstances like this would curb some folks bravado about what they would do if a "dynamic entry" were to occur at their home.
Especially now that they know that the police have probably seen their facebook, myspace, THR,etc.

But I doubt it.

kurtmax
September 7, 2007, 01:09 PM
For some reason the article seems to be telling me:

"Remember children, scaring police is going to make them kill you, so don't do anything scary mmmmkkaayyy?"

fletcher
September 7, 2007, 01:10 PM
This one is pretty old. If I recall, there was a whole lot of stupid on both sides. I heard that those guys had assaulted a number of people and had a history of stealing things, but no criminal record IIRC (this is what I heard from the first news report I ever read on the thing). Together with a police overreaction and mistake, it made for a pretty bad situation.

On the same subject, there were a few kids at NCSU that got in big trouble because they had pictures of themselves with alcohol containers on their facebook (under 21) - RA saw them and ratted them out, but that's a different story.

hso
September 7, 2007, 01:16 PM
Previously posted.

See this thread for more complete and current information. http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=240347&highlight=Ryan+Mills

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