Joining the NRA = Worst thing I have ever done


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msimonds
September 7, 2007, 05:38 PM
I listened to my friends and they all told me that I should join the NRA. They stated that my membership money would be used to help fight for my rights, so I believed them. Now while it was only a one year membership, I did feel like I was being cheap by only joining for one year @ $25.00

So I got my membership package and sticker for my car and I thought that was it. BOY was I WRONG. This is worse than those credit card mailings I get all the time and other coupons. I am constantly receiving items from the NRA, all of them asking for money so they can fight this and fight that, magazine offers, car insurance discounts for the NRA. These are all from third party companies, which means that they are giving out my address to third party's.

Today they sent me something else and guess what they want more money. This is the biggest mistake that I have ever done with regards to joining a group.

Sure glad I only joined for a year and I can guarentee that I will never join the NRA again, but I am sure that I will continue to get the mailings from them and other companies


I am sure that I will get hammered by everyone on this forum/community but honestly I do not care

Also I am not trying to offend anyone or their beliefs, I am just expressing my own feelings

Thanks
Mike

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lanternlad1
September 7, 2007, 05:41 PM
+1

The mass mailings I get are a serious turn-off. I hate giving someone my money just to have them ask for more money. The NRA needs to consider this in their marketing strategy.

TexasRifleman
September 7, 2007, 05:41 PM
Uhh, just ask them to stop sending it.

I get 3 or 4 pieces of mail a year from NRA.

msimonds
September 7, 2007, 05:43 PM
see what really pisses me off though is that they are selling our membership information to third parties for a fee I am sure. I get insurance and magazine subscription things in the mail all the time and to be honest it is a real beating

I thought that associations such as the NRA were here to protect our rights, not sell them off to make money!!

RNB65
September 7, 2007, 05:46 PM
:rolleyes:

Mountains out of molehills.

Call and ask to be removed from the mailing list.

Voilą, no more mailings.

msimonds
September 7, 2007, 05:53 PM
I called and talked to membership services and while this will get you off their mailings and stop your information from being given out anymore, they cannot guarantee that your address wont be used by those third party companies any longer and that they could also give your information out.

They said that they are receiving tons and tons of complaints and I canceled my membership

So that is that. I mean really how can a company that is supposed to protect the rights of its members, sell your information!!!!!!

Werewolf
September 7, 2007, 05:56 PM
Like others have said:

Just call and ask to be removed from their mailing list. From that point on you'll get 2 or 3 things in a year from the NRA and maybe another 2 from a third party associated with the NRA. At least that's all I get.

Takes about 5 seconds a piece to toss 'em in the trash if that is your want.

There are more important reasons to disapointed with the NRA than junk mail - but then that's another discussion entirely.

rkh
September 7, 2007, 05:56 PM
Signing up for an organization that actively supports your rights, but sends you bulk mailings that you can opt-out of is the "worst thing [you] have ever done?" Are you a cloistered monk?

:banghead:

Please take a moment to think about how absurd your statement really is.

average_shooter
September 7, 2007, 05:57 PM
Not to mention all the money being spent on the mailings could (should) just be spent to further truly fight for RKBA. I hate giving money to an organization then getting "gifts" that negate the amount I donated. Really, what's the point?

mjrodney
September 7, 2007, 05:58 PM
It takes money to influence the political machinery in this country and lots of it.

Few gun owners contribute regularly to those who fight for our rights on capitol hill, so ad agencies come into the picture to continually ask for contributions.

Make the call, but keep your support strong.

The ad agencies will stop with the mailings.

beaucoup ammo
September 7, 2007, 05:58 PM
There IS a fight going on and it needs funding. Sort of like getting defense bills through congress. It's a pain, but it's got to be done. Use the junk mail to start a fire this winter!

Mark_from_Iowa
September 7, 2007, 06:00 PM
I mean really how can a company that is supposed to protect the rights of its members, sell your information!!!!!!


-Getting a packet of junk mail every so often is a normal part of living in the 21st century.

-The NRA is not compromising your Second Amendment rights through mass mailings.

-You are simply overreacting.

If that is not apparent to you, then try re-reading the above verrry slooowly.

PS: Junk mail can be disposed of in any approved wastepaper receptacle.

Vonderek
September 7, 2007, 06:02 PM
Sorry you feel that way. I've been a member for many years and only get a few mailings per year. I think you can go online and check a box to stop the solicitations in the future. As far as "selling your rights away" I don't know what you mean by that. In this day and age everyone sells info to everyone else. They are selling info, not your rights. I'm not thrilled about info selling either but all those companies have an affiliation with NRA and offer discounts to members. I've used some of those companies a few times and saved some money. And if NRA can raise more cash doing so then I'm not that opposed to it. Bottom line, whether you like them or not they are the 500 pound gorilla in the 2nd Amendment arena and offer us the best hope in defending our rights on the national and state level. If you drop your membership at least be a member of some gun rights organization. Nothing pisses me off more than gun owners who have no problem spending $1000 on a gun but don't bother spending $30 on a membership to an organization defending the right to own that gun.

quatin
September 7, 2007, 06:03 PM
I subscribe to GUNS magazine. Before I even got the first issue I was getting spam from the NRA every other week asking for money. I had considered it, but by the 7th spam letter which included one from the VP that talked about how the communists were coming. I decided not to.

Jorg Nysgerrig
September 7, 2007, 06:06 PM
http://cache.bordom.net/images/533cec2166a9e3242c899788a13c7cae.jpg

Joining the NRA = Worst thing I have ever done

You must live a pretty charmed life if the outcome of the worst thing ever done was just get some extra junk mail. Especially when you can mostly undo the sheer horror of getting extra solicitations by... *GASP* just asking them to stop.

I get insurance and magazine subscription things in the mail all the time and to be honest it is a real beating
It's very brave of you to go out to the mailbox each day, not knowing the terrors that await you. Be strong!

Sorry, but I don't have much sympathy for you. There have been plenty of threads discussing both the amount of mail and how to make it stop.

ArmedBear
September 7, 2007, 06:07 PM
Uhh, just ask them to stop sending it.

I get 3 or 4 pieces of mail a year from NRA.

Yeah. Same here. Shrug.

As far as their collecting money for mailing lists, more power to the NRA for it. Any creative way to collect money, as long as it's legal and doesn't hurt anyone, is a good thing, as long as the money is used for good things.

RNB65
September 7, 2007, 06:08 PM
I had considered it, but by the 7th spam letter which included one from the VP that talked about how the communists were coming.

The Communists are already here. Don't believe me? Go to Wal Mart (or any other retailer) and count all the "Made in China" tags.

bender
September 7, 2007, 06:09 PM
it's S.O.P. in the business world. Your info gets sold after almost anyplace you join... internet sites, magazines, groups, whatever.

I subscribed to one gun mag, and now I'm getting mail solicitations from several other gun mags, and I am also receiving lots of mailings and catalogs from "outdoor" companies I have never heard of. My wife has been complaining about my mail lately...

xsquidgator
September 7, 2007, 06:12 PM
How to stop the mailings but keep the important stuff (like membership renewals) From the NRA's website https://www.nramemberservices.org/members/faq.asp

Q: How can I reduce the amount of mail I receive from the NRA?
A: Simply email us at membership@nrahq.org or dial 800-NRA-3888 and request to be placed on the "Do Not Promote" list. This will significantly reduce the amount of mail you receive without affecting important mailings, magazine service, or your membership renewal.

ArmedBear
September 7, 2007, 06:12 PM
Get a hunting dog puppy.

We did, and now I'm glad for all the junk mail we get. Gives him something besides the furniture to chew up.

Here he is, checking what's on the kitchen counter.
http://ellie.crankylabs.com/albums/puppies-and-stuff/step2.sized.jpg

Just toss him some junk mail, and he's busy for 20 minutes, shredding it. The varied texture of cardstock, newsprint, and letter paper keeps him interested.

Jorg Nysgerrig
September 7, 2007, 06:12 PM
I hate giving money to an organization then getting "gifts" that negate the amount I donated.

They usually have a check box somewhere that says they can keep the gift.

camslam
September 7, 2007, 06:13 PM
I've said many times before, no organization is perfect, but they do a lot more than most when it comes to defending our 2nd amendment freedoms.

I'll be renewing my membership next year.

Zundfolge
September 7, 2007, 06:15 PM
I listened to my friends and they all told me that I should join the NRA. They stated that my membership money would be used to help fight for my rights
Not to mention all the money being spent on the mailings could (should) just be spent to further truly fight for RKBA.

Two common misconceptions about the NRA.

The NRA is NOT a political or lobying group; the NRA-ILA (http://www.nraila.org/) IS.

The NRA is an organization promoting the shooting sports, gun safety and peripherally gun rights via the ILA, but that is NOT the primary function of the NRA.

So you want to support gun rights, give money to the NRA-ILA, not just the NRA.

230RN
September 7, 2007, 06:15 PM
vonderek said,

Nothing pisses me off more than gun owners who have no problem spending $1000 on a gun but don't bother spending $30 on a membership to an organization defending the right to own that gun.

To which I can only add, nothing pisses me off more than gun owners who have no problem spending $1000 on a gun but don't bother spending $30 on a membership to an organization defending the right to own that gun.

msimonds
September 7, 2007, 06:15 PM
sorry i did not mean to say >"selling your rights away"

I meant that they were selling our private information/membership information. Address and stuff like that

And I am not overreacting at all, but your going to say what you want

Sure I am a pussy, think what you want, sure I am acting like a kid

Thing is if I would have known that they would sell my information to make a quick buck or send me crap all the time asking for money, they I would have never joined

Sure I can stop the future stuff from the NRA from coming, but I cannot stop the crap for the third party companies unless it is from ones that I already have like triple AAA.

I asked the NRA when I canceled my membership to please give me a list of all the companies that they have given my information to and they said that could not be done, that was privileged information

So call me what you want, say what you want, but that is just the way that I feel

Poper
September 7, 2007, 06:19 PM
Joining the NRA = Worst thing I have ever done


Boy, it is really tough to take the high road with hyperbole like this. :banghead:
Armedbear and several other have said it better than I can.

Go on line and check the box to stop the flood. :neener:

Those that send you junk from a mailing list (like NRA is the ONLY organization doing that?) usually include self addressed and postaged envelopes. Tear their stuff in two and send it back to 'em in their own envelope. :D

Just my 2 cents. Of course, it and another $11.95 will get you a box of good 30.06 ammo... Maybe...:evil:

Poper

Cacique500
September 7, 2007, 06:20 PM
Uhh, just ask them to stop sending it.

I get 3 or 4 pieces of mail a year from NRA.

+1. I called and within a month or so the mailings stopped. In the 5 years since becoming a life member, I received exactly TWO phone calls after being taken "off the list".

Not renewing your NRA membership because of some bulk mail is a little silly IMHO.

strat81
September 7, 2007, 06:23 PM
WOW! Want some cheese with your whine (wine)?

I get maybe 1 or 2 pieces of junk/solicitation mail per month that I can directly tie back to the NRA (USA Shooting Team, for example). Same for e-mail... 1 or 2 per month (usually life insurance and NRA wine).

I have yet to get mail, e-mail, or phone calls begging for money aside from one asking me to renew (which I did).

Jeez, some of you make it sound like the NRA is like those pushy Kirby vacuum salesmen or punks selling magazines door to door for $30/year/subscription.

I got junk mail long before I joined the NRA.

Bartkowski
September 7, 2007, 06:29 PM
I meant that they were selling our private information/membership information. Address and stuff like that

And I am not overreacting at all, but your going to say what you want

Sure I am a pussy, think what you want, sure I am acting like a kid

Thing is if I would have known that they would sell my information to make a quick buck or send me crap all the time asking for money, they I would have never joined


Well to correct you, you are overreacting. And how do you know that they sold your information to all of those third party companies. By the way, its a good thing that before you tried to fix the "problem" you decide that you will never join again.

But I guess you have a point, the piece of mail I get every other month is so aggrevating and hard to put in the trash, that I just won't join again. And if you don't want the mail and want to support them still, send them some donation.

msimonds
September 7, 2007, 06:35 PM
I know that they gave it out because it states on all the mailings > "special deals for NRA members"

How else would these other companies know that I as an NRA member? Did they drive behind me in my car and see my membership sticker

And why do I have to be overreacting, maybe you see it that way, I don't

I knew that posting something like this would be worthless

Bula
September 7, 2007, 06:36 PM
I'd be willing to bet your Homeowners insurance/Auto insurance companies, Mortgage company, Apartment management companies and ANY other magazine you may have subscribed to, your cable company, your gym and plenty of others have sold your information off as well. The only reason you can tell if your junk mail is associated to the NRA is it referrences the NRA. I agree it does get annoying sifting through 15 pcs of junk mail EVERY day, but I guess I've just accepted it as fact. Into the Recycle can it goes. I can pretty easily spot the junk mail and the 'real' mail while flipping through my stack of mail.

kungfuhippie
September 7, 2007, 06:40 PM
There are lots of people in other countries that would love to have junk mail be such a big problem in their lives that they need to write about it on the internet. But they are too busy trying to survive in 3rd world hell to complain about it.

esmith
September 7, 2007, 06:43 PM
I knew that posting something like this would be worthless

Hahahahaa!

You posted on a huge gun forum that joining the NRA was the worst thing you ever did and now you realize that people would retaliate this way. What did you think? The only thing that makes sense in your argument is the fact that they keep pestering you for more money. And even thats a stretch because nobody said you have to pay them more stuff.


I don't belong to the NRA, just because i have to pay money to be a part of it. But I have more important things to spend money on. I appreciate what the NRA does to fight anti gun whackos and someday i will probably be a part of the society.

wadcutter45
September 7, 2007, 06:46 PM
My question is....Junk mailing has to be expensive. If membership is only $25, how much does really go to supporting our rights? Isn't it more cost effective to just order stuff from Midway and do the NRA round-up and let Midway donate the $ to NRA?

In that way, with the number of orders I make from Midway per year NRA gets about $10 to $12, and no trees have to die and the US Postal Service has a lighter junkmail load.

I don't like having my name sold to 3rd parties. I joined, but there is a lag time until the no junk mail request takes effect.

It seems that some big advertising company has a seat on the NRA board. How can we get the message through to them that many (most) of us would rather they use our membership money more wisely?

Tommygunn
September 7, 2007, 06:48 PM
I get a lot of junk mail from a good many sources. I must be a really bizarre and unusual person because I have never had any problem with junk mail. I simply throw it in the circular file (ie., trashcan).
I belong to the NRA, and throw a lot of their mailings away. Once in awhile they offer a "gift" if you give them a few bucks. So far I have acquired a cute little jacknife and a pretty decent compass.
But I still junk more of their mail than anything.
And, um, if no one has noticed, other gun rights organizations send $$ requests out, GOA, RTKBA....Second Amendment Foundation, et al.
I can't really believe people get all bothered by junkmail.

Matt King
September 7, 2007, 06:49 PM
My question is....Junk mailing has to be expensive. If membership is only $25, how much does really go to supporting our rights? Isn't it more cost effective to just order stuff from Midway and do the NRA round-up and let Midway donate the $ to NRA?

I heard that they make $ on every mass mailing.

Kimber1911_06238
September 7, 2007, 06:50 PM
sounds like you are overreacting. The NRA and more importantly, the NRA-ILA is one of the more powerful pro-gun organizations (if not the most powerful) in the world. So if you want your guns rights protected, how can joining be the worst decision ever?

If the junk mail annoys you to the point of tears, call and have your name removed from the mailing list.

Bartkowski
September 7, 2007, 06:52 PM
Maybe you should read more clearly, how is it that you know that they sold, not just gave out, sold your information? I am not saying they didn't just want to know how you know these things.

GTSteve03
September 7, 2007, 06:53 PM
You have no reason to defend your decision to anyone else, especially not on the Inter-web.

I never made your mistake and actually sent money to the NRA in the first place, and I'm glad I never have. I prefer to use my money on local, grass-roots gun organizations that do a little bit more useful stuff with it, rather than constantly eroding our rights by compromising with the gun-grabbers.

I think you made the right decision, and I hope you instead decide to use your money next time to support one of your local gun-rights groups.

esmith
September 7, 2007, 06:54 PM
I can't wait to see a mod come in here and lock this thread. 20 bucks says it will happen before the night ends.

Ohen Cepel
September 7, 2007, 06:54 PM
I get very little mail from them and if I don't want the junk I pitch it.

Not an issue for me at least.

Poper
September 7, 2007, 06:54 PM
How else would these other companies know that I as an NRA member?

Like, because the membership rolls are public information and updated on a regular basis maybe? They are a public organization after all.

Why do you insist on making this so difficult for yourself? If it's such a big deal to you, a subscription to "LifeLock" or a similar company might be just what you need.

Just trying to be helpful....:banghead::banghead::banghead:

Poper

Rush
September 7, 2007, 06:57 PM
Have you actually read that "junk" mail they're sending you? For example, one of those "junk" mailings is the ONLY way I found out about the United Nations attempts to ban guns within the United States, and that John Bolton stood between us and an international treaty giving up our Second Amendment rights and subjecting us to International gun control law. The mainstream media certainly didn't trouble itself to tell me the UN wants to come grab my guns.

It also gave me an education on the importance of caring who our Ambassador to the United Nations is, and exactly what we have in the person of that corrupt hypocrite Kofi Annan. You know, the one who wants to take your wife's pistol away, yet has a gaggle of armed bodyguards to protect HIS personal self.

I can't afford to send much money in response to these mailings. I read them, learn from them where the battle front is in this war on my right to protect myself with a gun, then throw them in the trash. If I can't send money, at least I stay abreast of what the NRA is trying to do on my behalf. But you can reject them, get mad and leave the NRA because of them, and then be surprised when the UN troops come traipsing through banging on your door demanding your guns. At least I will have expected it.

For the love if whatever god or force you might believe in, get your priorities straight.

Bartkowski
September 7, 2007, 06:57 PM
You have no reason to defend your decision to anyone else, especially not on the Inter-web.

I never made your mistake and actually sent money to the NRA in the first place, and I'm glad I never have. I prefer to use my money on local, grass-roots gun organizations that do a little bit more useful stuff with it, rather than constantly eroding our rights by compromising with the gun-grabbers.

I think you made the right decision, and I hope you instead decide to use your money next time to support one of your local gun-rights groups.

Ya I hear about those local organizations doing so much for us all the time in the paper. Its just overwhelming how much they do.

Ya the NRA does compromise some, but they do help us out....but that mail is just...I can't get over how annoying it is to move to the trash.


20 bucks says it will happen before the night ends. Would be surprised if you are wrong.

geekWithA.45
September 7, 2007, 07:00 PM
The NRA mail barrage is adaptive.

The more $ you send them, the more they ask. If you stop sending them $, the thing winds down to a trickle.

If you really want to help, call them up, and have them put you on their low volume list. While you're at it, toss them another $25 for an ILA membership, because it's the ILA that does all the legislative heavy lifting. The NRA per se is constrained from political advocacy.

ArfinGreebly
September 7, 2007, 07:00 PM
Pulling the eject lever here.

This thread is pretty much in a nose dive, and I don't see it pulling out.

Keep your elbows and feet in tight, away from the edges of the canopy.

Grab that thing there . . . right there . . . yeah that . . . put your head back, and yank.

See you on the ground.

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