What would he carry?


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September 7, 2007, 05:45 PM
A friend of mine is writting a book, her 4th. The lead character is a wealthy James Bond type guy who travels the world. I have explained that if she does the usual " flip off the safety of the .38 revolver" type writing she will get kicked hard by firearms people, me included. She HAS to be correct in this area.
Question is what would you recommend for lead guy? Someting with a bit of 'flash' rather than the usual 1911 type piece. This is fiction, he is wealthy, and world wide restrictions would be waved. Ideas?
Thanks in advance.

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yesit'sloaded
September 7, 2007, 05:47 PM
A Korth, look them up they are very expensive pistols.

Jorg Nysgerrig
September 7, 2007, 05:48 PM
Hi-Point .380?

It must be a trick question.

ozwyn
September 7, 2007, 06:06 PM
3 basic thoughts:

1) caliber of a firearm can leave clues regarding nationality of weapon. Is this character leaving a signature when they use their weapon? I mean, if the character uses a compact .45acp for example is he/she sending a message?

2) manufacturer of firearm also leave a nationalistic hint.

3) firearm concealability - covert i presume?

for those reasons a extremely compact 1911 frame or glock probably would not be used - it is like leaving "United States" fingerprints wherever you go.

I would consider EAA, CZ, Sphinx (swiss), FEG (hungarian), Fm (not FN, FM is argentina) as likely models if the character plans on actually being sneaky and spylike. Of course, those are not the brands associated with Jetsetter millionares either.

So let's consider other issues... Revolver or automatic?

How much or what kind of style are you trying to communicate? Instead of a newer firearm, perhaps a brutally effective nostalgia firearm, like a engraved, less massive webley.

Desert eagle is right out. forget about it.

FN (belgium) browning high power is a logical, nostaligic choice. Many finer finished models exsist, 9mm caliber so it is common as dirt on ammo, proven, 13 round capacity. a "classic" that doesn't necessarily scream of any one nation and is well proven.

guess a browning high power would be my advice.

Jimmie
September 7, 2007, 06:10 PM
What era? I'd give him a Detective Special. I think that tops class and style. Or a P7 if you want the auto route.

RockyMtnTactical
September 7, 2007, 06:17 PM
Browning Hi-power

Zundfolge
September 7, 2007, 06:21 PM
Rohrbaugh R9S (http://www.rohrbaughfirearms.com/)

Ghost Tracker
September 7, 2007, 06:30 PM
How about an SIG P210? Exclusive, Expensive, European, and arguably the finest 9mm autoloader ever built. If you've never shot one...do yourself the favor. If not, then consider the HK P7 (very techno-cool) or a Walther P99.

REOIV
September 7, 2007, 06:55 PM
If he's a spy kind of guy I'd say give him a .22lr handgun.

Easily concealed.
Easily Supressed.
Most common round on the planet.
And spies get close to their targets. It is a great gun to easily kill someone with from a spy's perspective.

Besides that give him a back up gun in .45 or 9mm in case he has to have a shoot out or something.

Again those guns should be able to be easily silenced etc.

It depends on time frame too.

jpk1md
September 7, 2007, 06:56 PM
FN Five-Seven would be pretty cool.....

MilsurpShooter
September 7, 2007, 07:08 PM
I'll vote for the Bren Ten :D

Mr White
September 7, 2007, 07:33 PM
Either a SIG or a HK USP. If he was REALLY cool, he'd carry a Hi Power, but very few wealthy James Bond types are that cool.

Dees
September 7, 2007, 07:37 PM
Hk P7

GRB
September 7, 2007, 07:40 PM
A martini, stirred not shaken, especially if you don't want him to be too James Bondish!

General Geoff
September 7, 2007, 07:40 PM
If he uses his sidearm in a professional capacity (i.e. it's part of his job), I'd also say Sig Sauer or Heckler & Koch. Professionals don't typically use flashy weapons. If he's an assassin or hit man, a .22lr pistol (with suppressor) is the most realistic choice. Delisle Carbine for a truly dedicated gun-knowledgeable hitman.

If he's a connoisseur and has a sidearm as a contingency plan only, then you can break out the Walther PPKs, nickel plated 1911s, and other gaudy, flashy BBQ guns. :)

Boomerang
September 7, 2007, 07:42 PM
How about a custom design, hand made by a mujahideen artisan out of Damascus steel, from meteorite ore. Given as a gift in years past for fighting the Russians.

*edit*— With no sights. All the artisan needed was to shake his hand to know how the gun should point.

GunTech
September 7, 2007, 07:56 PM
HP in 9mm is about as anonymous as it gets, which is why the CIA uses them. And you can get mags and parts anywhere. Make it a 'sterile', no manufacturers marks or serial numbers.

Korth if it's a revolver. They are slick and exotic. Their autos, not so much.

Pardini makes a high end auto in 9mm and 45
http://www.pistolskytte.org/info/vapen/Pardini_PC.jpg

A Semmerling LM4 is another espionage favorite - manually operated 45acp. I've seen one with suppressor. Great for deep, deep cover. Rven more mysterious is the Semmerling XLM, which was a semi-auto version only available to government agencies. There were something like 600 LM4s made, but American Derringer used to offer a Semmerling copy on request.


Here's a rare government contract LM4 threadded for a suppressor
http://guntech.com/exotica/Semmerling.jpg

I'd get out a few gun books and her pics.

CWL
September 7, 2007, 07:57 PM
He would carry a sterile gun. No government would want that firearm and user traced back to their home country.

Popular and available guns worldwide would include SigSauer, H&K and Glocks.

Boomerang
September 7, 2007, 08:00 PM
And he should be driving a Nissan Skyline GT-R. No kooky euro cars.

Vitamin G
September 7, 2007, 08:07 PM
Engraved P7M8

Or if he's more killin' than spyin'...
P7m13.


I'm sorry, but they're just chock full of class.

ZeSpectre
September 7, 2007, 08:12 PM
Hrmm, how about something custom made but that uses generic parts?

littlegator
September 7, 2007, 08:13 PM
HK Mark 23 with the slide chromed. Dangit, I need some money. :banghead: :D

Or, think big - Smith & Wesson .500 magnum. nice.

Jubjub
September 7, 2007, 08:15 PM
Sounds like the character would spend a lot of time in tailored clothing, so nothing too bulky. Single stack auto or maybe a 3" revolver.

If it's modern era, a lot depends on the character's age. It has only been in the last 20 or 25 years that expanding bullets and autos have been made to play nice together, so an older guy might favor a revolver.

If so, maybe a 3" Python, or the Korth already mentioned, or a Smith 696 for some big bore goodness.

armoredman
September 7, 2007, 08:20 PM
CZ75 select fire. Make use of him slotting in the spare magazine as the foregrip.

scurtis_34471
September 7, 2007, 08:22 PM
She might even want to have him use more than one gun. A Rohrbaugh would be fantastic for a tuxedo gun. If he's doing something more tactical, maybe an HK UPS. An nice choice for an all-around gun might be a Sig P239 SAS.

ara
September 7, 2007, 08:40 PM
I googled the Korth and checked it out...that is a nice looking auto.

P97
September 7, 2007, 09:20 PM
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b357/P97/MahanRugerSide1pagesize.jpg

Mat, not doormat
September 7, 2007, 11:07 PM
Working on a few assumptions, such as the story is taking place in contemporary times, etc, I'd say that he should have a couple of different guns, as one of the silliest things about the original Bond was how he was always using the PPK for stuff that other guns would have been much better suited.

Deep cover gun for Evening Dress: Seecamp or Rohrbaugh.
General walking around gun (basically ccw): Colt Python or Browning Hi-Power.
Assassination gun: Suppressed .22, maybe High Standard, or Colt Woodsman. or maybe some sort of euro target toy.
Fighting Gun: When it's time to pull on the black commando sweater, have him reach for an HK Mk 23 SOCOM

The ASP is also a nifty idea, but John Gardner beat us to it.

~~~Mat

Elm Creek Smith
September 8, 2007, 12:01 AM
CZ52 for his "big gun." They're chambered for the 7.62 x 25 mm Tokarev and have 9 x 19 mm barrels available. It can be suppressed, too.

Nickel-plated Beretta 950B in 6.35mm with a suppressor for up-close "wet work" or to avoid upsetting the "jet set."

CZ83 in .380 with a suppressor as his carry gun.

ECS

pinstripe
September 8, 2007, 04:06 AM
How 'bout a Walther P99. Not too exotic, but still cool. Or better yet, Have him driving a Dodge Neon and toteing a hi-point .380 comp? Huh, Huh, I see the gears turning. Good huh? You can use it if you want to.:D

Prince Yamato
September 8, 2007, 06:38 AM
CZ Raimi. 9mm and small.

chieftain
September 8, 2007, 06:50 AM
It would depend on what agency the "Bond" type is working for.

Most probably a SIG 228. DSS, uses them almost exclusively. AS do Military Intel and army/Navy CIS(DSS=Diplomatic Security Service) out of the country so would the Secret Service, and FBI. (the SIG 228 was an issue weapon in both agencies at one time.)

What ever they use it will be in 9mm. Most available cartridge, world wide.

I would advise a Browning/FN high Power type weapon or a P35 knock off. Found in more countries than any other handgun. Made at various times in of course Belgium, France, Canada, UK, Eastern Europe, South America, Spain and the Philippines. Of course in 9mm.

I do Know the SOG teams in Laos and Cambodia used cleaned P35's on their missions.

go figure.

Fred

Das1
September 8, 2007, 07:21 AM
When I read the title I thought you were talking about Jesus. ;)

Either a Sig or a Colt 1911 for this guy (the small one what's it called a defender?)

cnorman18
September 8, 2007, 02:46 PM
James Bond's ORIGINAL weapons in the first book (Casino Royale) were a .25 Beretta with a taped grip and a long-barreled Colt for longer distances. He kept the Colt in his prewar supercharged Bentley (Bond wasn't particularly low-profile when it came to cars).

I suspect those guns reflect the actual guns that Ian Fleming carried in his own real-life career as a spy. Later, he was advised by a firearms expert to arm Bond with a PPK--but he famously had him carry it in a holster made only for revolvers, a Berns-Martin Triple Draw.

The original Bond books by Fleming are great. The movies, except for "From Russia With Love" and the new Daniel Craig flick, suck. Cubby Broccoli, the producer, generally ignored the books and made up his own fantasy movies under Fleming's titles.

Joe Demko
September 8, 2007, 02:52 PM
I wouldn't have him carry "a" gun. I presume when you say he is James Bondish that he works for some agency. I'd have the agency supply him with a sterile, local piece on each assignment. Following the completion of the assignment, he disposes of the gun. This neatly avoids all the complications of the gun pointing toward a particular nation, agency, or agent.

kludge
September 8, 2007, 03:00 PM
PPK would be too James Bond.

I like the Browning High Power in 9mm idea with a Baby Browning backup. (If he was a European type the round would be called a 7.65mm... Here in the US we call it the .32 ACP. Or perhaps he would carry a full size Beretta with a Beretta Tomcat as Backup.

An American type guy from the 1920s would carry a Colt Model 1903 Pocket Hammerless.

A modern American guy might carry a Rohrbaugh 9mm or a Springfield EMP. And a rich guy would find a way to get a Glock 18 (full-auto) and a bunch of 33 round magazines to keep in his briefcase.

A modern European guy would carry an HK or Sig.

gripper
September 8, 2007, 03:02 PM
How about an M67 90mm recoiless....tucked away in his ankle rig.Hhe could alternate with HEAT and buckshot cannister for ammo in his (Armani) accessory/LBE

hrgrisso
September 8, 2007, 03:11 PM
When I read the title I thought you were talking about Jesus.

Monitors need windsheild wipers installed...

I'd say go with a Robar customized SigP225 9mm with an alternate threaded barrel for up close and nasty work quiet.

Oh and a knife. That way you can go three ways, boom, pop, squish!

gripper
September 8, 2007, 03:21 PM
I think Jesus would carry either a large bottle of red wine,a ( weighted)9shepherds crook, or a large frozen fish...quite effective for smiting oins enemies in the Monty Python "Fish Slapping Dance) sense.

6_gunner
September 8, 2007, 03:23 PM
I like the "old, nostalgic but effective" idea. I think that would make a nice contrast to the books where everybody carries a Glock or a non-specific "automatic" :barf:.
A Mauser Broomhandle would be very cool.

CraigJS
September 8, 2007, 03:48 PM
Something completely CUSTOM made. Exotic ammo, biometric safety that only allows him to fire the weapon. Exotic sighting system, after all he is a very wealty "James Bond" type.. With todays advancements all this really isn't that "far out".
Be safe.

E20thLRP
September 8, 2007, 03:54 PM
"STYER TMP" with a "CAN" would be an outstanding choice !!

Echo...out

Vern Humphrey
September 8, 2007, 04:02 PM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Makarov:

1. Not a US-made weapon, but reliable.
2. Found everywhere Eastern bloc weapons are found.
3. Ammo, ditto.
4. Flat and concealable.

For wet stuff, a suppressed .22 is ideal. The Ruger automatic is virtually the world standard for this, and therefore doesn't give away the shooter's nationality -- in fact, I'd mimic someone else's techniques (like the Israelis) and use the same ammo they use.

cfl1911
September 8, 2007, 04:46 PM
You know I have read all of these post and I must say a high power just hits me right. Don't know why but I can see and classey guy, rich with a high power in a should holster.

GunTech
September 8, 2007, 04:54 PM
A real spook would carry whatever was locally available, and then toss after use. That's what the black market is for.

To quote Robert DiNero's character in 'Ronin' (paraphrasing): "it a toolbox. You pick the tool for the job."

lanternlad1
October 9, 2007, 11:15 PM
For a large gun, I suggest a Coonan Cadet .357 automag. For a small gun, an SP101 357 mag modified to 10mm (which you can also shoot 40 S&W out of). And a Paul Chen Citizen knife. http://www.imperialweapons.com/knives/citizen.htm No ultra rich super spy type gentleman can do without it. (Thats why I have one...)

CDignition
October 9, 2007, 11:27 PM
Mateba Unica 6.. Semi Auto Revolver.. it is Italian and very euro cool...

mgregg85
October 9, 2007, 11:31 PM
I second the CZ 75 select fire. If you don't like that then hows about a matemba auto revolver.

orionengnr
October 9, 2007, 11:42 PM
and world wide restrictions would be waved. Ideas?

I have an idea. If you don't know the difference between "waved" and "waived" then you should not be critically appraising a writer's works.

That said, I vote for either a 1911 or an S&W M-27.

jerkyman45
October 10, 2007, 01:02 AM
I'd say the Rohrbaugh R9S is a good choice, I think that a small semi-automatic would be the best choice for a super spy of this kind. I would always have a larger more powerful backup in the Aston Martin of course.

eflatminor
October 10, 2007, 01:09 AM
It should be a true custom pistol. I would have it chambered in 10mm.

itgoesboom
October 10, 2007, 01:23 AM
HK P7M8. Small, accurate, high end, reliable, somewhat exotic. Sounds like the perfect choice for a Bondish type character, without becoming Bond.

One of the Sigs would be the other choice, with a Makarov (good pick Vern) as another option.

Xdtravis
October 10, 2007, 01:48 AM
Wealthy? Why not the Smith & Wesson .500 magnum with a 10" barrel?

tkkr
October 10, 2007, 02:23 AM
a laser gun

tarrigoni
October 10, 2007, 02:30 AM
Keltec P32

chieftain
October 10, 2007, 04:42 AM
For a large gun, I suggest a Coonan Cadet .357 automag. For a small gun, an SP101 357 mag modified to 10mm (which you can also shoot 40 S&W out of).

Interesting!

You would choose a Pistol shooting a revolver cartridge, and a Revolver shooting a Pistol cartridge.

The Coonan pistols shot the the 357Magnum. Not the 357 Automag.

Go figure.

Fred

amper
October 10, 2007, 02:51 PM
The selection of a weapon is not only a highly personal decision, but can also change depending on circumstance. Without knowing a lot more about the character and what situations he's facing, it's difficult to make any kind of selection. Having said that, I would tend to go with a slightly customized version of one of the more commonly available autoloaders, or something that is a veritable classic. Otherwise, make up an experimental custom model from one of the higher quality mfg's.

How about something like a CZ P-01, which is a relatively new model, but built in stainless or with a Tenifer or like finish, and chambered in .40 S&W (none of which are offered by CZ)? Or a Beretta Cougar Inox? A Glock with a custom made steel frame (or a Kahr K-series)?

On the classic side, you could go with a custom shorty 1911-based design, maybe in an unusual caliber. The Walther PPK, or something as pretty as a SIG-Sauer P232, would never be out of place at a formal event.

The last route to consider is something completely generic that would be so widely available that tracing it's origin would be difficult. Any of the more popular modern autoloaders would do.

RoadkingLarry
October 10, 2007, 03:13 PM
Webely in .577

(there was only one true Bond...... Geroge Lazenby!)

REPOMAN
October 10, 2007, 03:20 PM
H&K p2000......Nuff Said

frogomatic
October 10, 2007, 03:23 PM
a custom without serial numbers and leaves no clue as to origin.

Geronimo45
October 10, 2007, 03:41 PM
Mauser HSc if it's to be a new gun, Sig 232 if you want the modern version. Very small, classy gun.

If silence is golden, a (old fashioned) silenced Nagant Revolver (about the only revolver that can be successfully suppressed) or the OTS-38 - a Russian j-frame-sized gun firing integrally suppressed ammunition. Laser's mounted on the side, it's fed with moonclips, and it does have a safety.*

*N.B. European revolvers are all weird. They start out strange but recognizable in England, and go completely berserk by the time you hit Belarus.

The Baby Browning is a must for BUG. Classy in the extreme.

For an alternate idea - a Mauser 712 with a supressor. Has the capability for FA fire if the situation dictates, runs with 10rd or 20rd detachable mags, has a shoulder stock for more accurate fire... or maybe I'll write my own book.

waytoofunky
October 11, 2007, 12:51 AM
I'm going to say the Beretta Bobcat Inox. It's got a cool name... and it's small and silver. It's built from exotic metals. But when you see it, you know it's built to kill. Quickly.http://www.triggerfin.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=66

Will Fennell
October 11, 2007, 01:20 AM
BHP,
Customized to his taste.......

Green Lantern
October 11, 2007, 01:35 AM
Someone said Walther P99 on page one - I say NO, just for fear of the author being accused of "ripping off" James Bond. (FWIW, Bond carries the P99 in the books AND movies now).

To say anything MORE helpful, requires sleep. *My* 'dream guns' have problems - ASP was also used by Bond, and a Titanium Gold Desert Eagle is not a practical carry gun! ;)

Hoppy590
October 11, 2007, 01:39 AM
Colt 1903 if american
Sig 232 if German
Walther PPk if Brit

if the gun is disposable ( IE field expediant) pick something underdog. webley revolver for instance

if the gun is a grab take something german. people like to think bad guys use german handguns and russian rifles

GunTech
October 11, 2007, 01:42 AM
Mateba Unica 6.. Semi Auto Revolver.. it is Italian and very euro cool...

And big and with issues that make it a less than ideal carry gun. The Unica 6 in 357 is bigger than a S&W N frame in several dimensions, so thing guy better be big.

Here's mine:

http://guntech.com/revolver/mateba.jpg

GunTech
October 11, 2007, 01:44 AM
How about a Wellrod? Sionics mad a modern version.

USMC6177
October 11, 2007, 01:56 AM
Might be a tad bit Bondish but I would say the new walther PPS nice and slim tuxedo gun for everyday carry.

twodawgs
October 11, 2007, 01:57 AM
How 'bout for close up work he has a Bearcat modified with an exotic cylinder, frame and barrel to handle 5 rounds of .32Mag in a DA mode????

I know, it's really late for me to be up.

Autolycus
October 11, 2007, 02:09 AM
How about this thread is rediculously old.

All in all I would think that it depends on what the character is doing.

antsi
October 11, 2007, 02:19 AM
I like the H&K P7M8, or the SIG 232. Both fit the bill for your spy: concealable, elegant, classy, yet perfectly practical at the same time.

Hoppy590
October 11, 2007, 11:50 AM
I have an idea. If you don't know the difference between "waved" and "waived" then you should not be critically appraising a writer's works.


hes a technical advisor. not an editor. he barely has to speak english so a miss spelt word here or there is her problem not his.

rampage841512
October 11, 2007, 11:57 AM
I'm tempted to say 1911, but I'd go with a non-1911 high end Sig in .45.

PPGMD
October 11, 2007, 12:00 PM
Hk P7M8, safe reliable gun, that is exotic enough to appeal to the fan boys.

Flak_Jakett
October 11, 2007, 03:11 PM
Someting with a bit of 'flash' rather than the usual 1911

Ouch! that hurts. A gold plated Kimber compact would be kinda flashy? But then again... a spy really isn't really supposed to use flashy type stuff right? For something unique, how about an air cooled belt fed blowgun with an Acog. It could shoot poison tipped ice darts that melt in the body. Out of all the spy weapons out there none beats Max Smart's judo chop!!!

Mr. Designer
October 11, 2007, 03:14 PM
S&W 500 Magnum (or maybe not)

MrPeter
October 11, 2007, 04:19 PM
I second the motion for a select fire CZ75B.

Ohhhhhhh yeah!

Werewolf
October 11, 2007, 04:27 PM
Swordcane and throwing knives... :evil:

Geno
October 11, 2007, 04:39 PM
He probably would have tried to carry a Series II, "Custom Shop" Kimber with external extractor. But since it broke the first time he pulled the trigger, he had a settle with a Colt 1911. As he walked through the halls, the Colt "rattled" too much and so he sold it at a 40% loss and bought a Browning High Power. Upon opening the box of 9mm, he felt inferior and outgunned and so traded that pistol for a 40% loss, and bought a Glock 22. Why? Because GlockWonder told him that it never has failed in 500,000 rounds of +++++p+++++ 10mm ammunition having been through it. Being as he is foolish, he tried it, K-boomed the pistol, lost trigger a finger in the process and acquired the nick name lefty. He then had a custom-made 45 ACP prosthetic hand manufactured. However, as he was uncultured and rather accustomed to picking his nose, one unfortunate evening he blew his nose off...lost face so to speak. In the end, he was fortunate to be wealthy, but was compelled to act as the Phantom of the Opera for the remainder of his natural days just to have dates.

There...plot's written. Have your friend fill-in-the-blanks and send me a check for the royalties.

Dork2005...I mean Doc2005 :o

RonE
October 11, 2007, 10:38 PM
Dork, I mean Doc, you should write the book for her.

Erik
October 11, 2007, 10:42 PM
Wealthy I can carry anything and I know what I am doing types carry custom 1911s, Highpowers, and perhaps P7s. Sorry, you just can't leave out 1911s...

With P&R'd j-frames as back ups.

All worked over, engraved, and sporting ivory, of course.

HammerBite
October 11, 2007, 11:45 PM
That was a gripping story. Thanks.

kd7nqb
October 12, 2007, 04:53 AM
Seacamp .380
Or a Smith and Wesson M&P is sounds flashy but its a simple gun and its the one I OWN.

Vito_Corleone
October 12, 2007, 04:30 PM
SIG or HK USP.

Guns_and_Labs
October 12, 2007, 05:36 PM
A custom BHP, perhaps the Cylinder & Slide Pathfinder... just so darned good looking and classy. But definitely custom-made with no markings or serial numbers.

Geronimo45
October 12, 2007, 06:38 PM
Doc, what gives you the right to steal my storyline? :evil:

BTW: the reason the Glock KB'd was because someone put in a .40 Shorty round instead of 10mm. We all know that .40 Shorty is an acceptable substitute for TNT.

akodo
October 13, 2007, 03:41 PM
Okay "Wealthy James Bond Type"

You are going to need to define that a bit more. James Bond was a government employed spy. Is that part of this character's makeup as well, or are we just supposed to key in on wealthy, charming, playboy, gets all the girls, excellent dresser, etc etc.

As others have stated, a covert operative would use what is avaiable local, ditch it afterwards, and never think twice.

On the other hand, if it is a wealthy playboy who travels around and tends to get mixed up in misadventures somewhat like the Scooby Doo Mystery Team, or the old lady from Murder, She Wrote, that's entirely different.

If it is the 2nd case, he'd probably have a wide variety of guns, but if he were to have just a few ultra fancy ones (maybe his private jet/boat/fancy car only has one handgun in it, even if he has a 400 gun collection in his mansion home) then as mentioned before I'd go Korth, Mateba, or a custombuilt 1911, Sig 910 etc. At this point in flashy you are going to have to define a little bit more about the character.

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