Opinions on movie: LORD OF WAR


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mrreynolds
September 7, 2007, 11:27 PM
How does everyone feel about the context of the movie being based on a true story and more so the ending..comments?

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General Geoff
September 7, 2007, 11:35 PM
I love that movie. Don't care if it tries to have a pro or anti gun slant; I just plain enjoyed it. And that's what movies are supposed to do: entertain.

Gord
September 7, 2007, 11:35 PM
I saw it as a tongue-in-cheek commentary on the general state of the world today - not vehemently anti-gun, just lamenting the sheer amount of senseless violence period. Gun-running is just a convenient way to tell the story.

In any case, I really don't care what a movie or a book "think" unless a political group is rallying around that movie or book for their cause, which infringes my rights - otherwise, it's just free speech and typical American media slanting. Not sure why so many are so concerned about "is xyz anti-gun?" Movies are for entertainment. It's called "suspension of disbelief."

Just my opinion, worth what ya paid for it.

Hoppy590
September 7, 2007, 11:38 PM
I agree in the end it’s laughing at everyone and saying

All these people you think are evil. Many are a necessary evil (cage). and even more are just power struggles ( War lords)

And some state sponsored

FerFAL
September 7, 2007, 11:41 PM
Just more PC anti gun junk. Dont waste your time.

FerFAL

Geronimo45
September 7, 2007, 11:47 PM
A little preachy from time to time... but a pretty entertaining show. That bit at the end - about the UN Security Council folk being the biggest 'gunrunners' in the world - that was a nice touch.

LoadedDrum
September 7, 2007, 11:50 PM
I don't feel it is anti-gun so much as anti-government policy. It is one of my favorite movies.

never_retreat
September 7, 2007, 11:54 PM
How do we arm the rest of them?

Jorg Nysgerrig
September 8, 2007, 12:06 AM
This movie again, eh? Here are a few similar threads about it:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=266908
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=207062
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=178302
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=178006

Gord
September 8, 2007, 12:06 AM
How do we arm the rest of them?

That was my favorite line. :D

This dead horse again

The "is xyz anti-gun?" question has been asked to death for every piece of mass-market media in recent history - this one's no different. :p

BridgeWalker
September 8, 2007, 12:13 AM
Was it anti-gun? I didn't get that at all. It seemed the typical good Cage movie--life is generally weird and often bad and people who do boring or pointless or difficult or bad or heroic things are all equally people.

I do feel guilty that I watched it in the presence of my baby. She was two weeks old and asleep at the time. Still, really wish she'd been in the other room instead of sleeping on my lap. Really not child-appropriate.

GunNut
September 8, 2007, 12:19 AM
I actually like the movie quite a bit and have watched it numerous times.

I personally did not take any anti or pro-gun messages from the movie.

Gunnerpalace
September 8, 2007, 12:23 AM
Yeah good movie it was anti though.

MIL-DOT
September 8, 2007, 12:28 AM
well,hell, now i gotta see it,though after "raising arizona" i generally hate cage in movies.

GunNut
September 8, 2007, 12:32 AM
after "raising arizona" i generally hate cage in movies.

I agree 100% after that movie I could not watch a Nicholas Cage movie for years. Now he is making some good ones though.

Tommygunn
September 8, 2007, 12:42 AM
Sorry ... I must be wierd. I stopped watching that flick halfway through. It was
BORING!
:(

ROMAK IV
September 8, 2007, 01:17 AM
It was definately 'ANTI-GUN". The big mistake that they made was making the Nicholas Cage character so likable. It was like a couple of ant-gun speacials that ABC News did. There was the one where ABC News, like they accuse the NRA of doing. actually gave guns to kids. After 20 minutes of showing kids handling guns and hand wringing commentary, they came to a panel of experts. The very first statement by the very first expert, whne commenting on the kids that had declared that they would never touch guns and then trying to steal a planted Glock, was that the kids that made the statement were "pathological". The second big mistake by anti-gun ABC News was pairing Rosie O'Donnel against Suzanne Hupp during the first "million Mom March. Hupp cleaned Rosie's clock.

jefnvk
September 8, 2007, 11:59 AM
Disagree on it being anti-gun, IMHO it showed governments in a far worse light than guns.

grimjaw
September 8, 2007, 12:22 PM
I think it goes without saying that if you take a piss poor situation in a piss poor country (some places in Africa, for instance, where much of the violence was focused) and add *any* kind of power balance shifter (a cache of arms, money, etc) it will end up with a mess.

The movie might have been saying, "look how bad things are in Africa now that we've given all these guns to people", but it's hardly like it was a freaking utopia in the first place. People still starve and fight each other there. So let's not pretend the problem the movie was trying to highlight is the sole problem.

In other news, man they had some bad @$$ AK footage in the flick. ;)

"Bring me the gun of Rambo."

jm

psyopspec
September 8, 2007, 01:34 PM
SPOILER WARNING



The movie might have been saying, "look how bad things are in Africa now that we've given all these guns to people", but it's hardly like it was a freaking utopia ni the first place. People still starve and fight each other there.

I watched this with a few people that have anti-gun leanings. When they brought up how terrible the guns make war, I pointed out the scene in Africa just before Cage's brother is killed where people are being hacked to death with machetes in the background - guns needn't necessarily have a part in the plans of evil people to accomplish their ends.

kurtmax
September 8, 2007, 01:43 PM
The movie wasn't terribly anti-gun. The main thing that bothered me were the terrible technical innacuracies about firearms. For example, the 'M16s' that were clearly labled 'AR-15' on the receiver. That sort of stuff bothers me, and suspends my disbelief and enjoyment. You'd think they would have somebody in these movies that focus on firearms that actually knew about firearms....

6_gunner
September 8, 2007, 01:57 PM
I felt that it was very anti-gun, although not in an "in your face" manner. The most openly anti- parts were the very beginning, where you follow the cartridge through its "life" and see it kill a child; and the end when it says something to the effect of America being the biggest supplier of weapons in the world. I'm sorry I don't remember it more vividly, but its been a long time since I saw that movie. Anyway, I thought it had a pretty strong "all weapons are bad, they cause violence" message.

KiltedClaymore
September 8, 2007, 04:05 PM
i realy didnt think of it as anti. i saw a movie explaining how and why people kill eachother. and that its not that arms kill people, its that people kill people. arms just make it easier to kill or defend. it was REALLY anti-government though

El Tejon
September 8, 2007, 04:31 PM
Beautiful movie, made me cry I was so happy. Wonderfully uplifting film, a classic.

The guns keep flowing, regardless of what happens the guns will always be there. Choked me up. :o

Thin Black Line
September 8, 2007, 04:38 PM
I watched the movie for the first time just recently (I think I was still in
Iraq when it came out).

I do NOT find it anti-gun at all --it made me want to go shoot an AK47.

busy_squirrel
September 8, 2007, 04:45 PM
Makes me not want to have sex in Afriica.:neener:

LAK
September 8, 2007, 11:22 PM
General GeoffI love that movie. Don't care if it tries to have a pro or anti gun slant; I just plain enjoyed it. And that's what movies are supposed to do: entertain.
That is all well and good. However, they are also a tool for political change - and many things certainly have been changed.

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MikeG
September 9, 2007, 12:19 AM
Makes me not want to have sex in Afriica.

Makes me wish an AN-12 loaded with toys would land on my street.:D
Better'n Sandy Claus!

nwilliams
September 9, 2007, 12:29 AM
Great movie

ctdonath
September 9, 2007, 02:05 PM
Found it very politically neutral, actually. It showed (with Hollywood flair) simply a summary of what is: there's good, there's bad, and it's all not going away 'cuz if you don't someone else will (with some making sure someone will).

I found the outtakes rather "anti" (drunk SOB firing full-auto in air at wedding in NYC, etc.); while the director's personal views may be "anti", he was good enough to cut such from the final edit, making it more a Rorschach test than propaganda.

Geronimo45
September 9, 2007, 02:10 PM
Makes me wish an AN-12 loaded with toys would land on my street.
Better'n Sandy Claus!
I loved that scene.

Blackbeard
September 9, 2007, 02:20 PM
Made me want a gold-plated AK.

cbsbyte
September 9, 2007, 02:35 PM
Overall I liked the movie but it did have a very strong anti-gun and violence message. One could say that it is the main message is anti-illegal arms shipping by governments and gun dealers. I don't believe civilian ownership of firearms is really addressed in the movie. In the ending a nameless US military officer says to Cage's character after he wins his court case, that the US Government needs him to sell weapons to support third world dictators and insurgents. Cages character during the later part the movie is working for the US Government, as an illegal arm dealer.

tinygnat219
September 9, 2007, 09:58 PM
People get slaughtered in Africa without firearms. Rwanda 1994, 500,000 Tutsis were killed by Machete wielding Hutus.

Guns aren't needed for murder on a mass-scale to be perpetrated.

Frog48
September 10, 2007, 12:16 AM
I like the movie. I dont find it particularly anti-gun.

evan price
September 10, 2007, 05:32 AM
Wasn't anti gun as such. More like, Anti Hypocrisy.
Not a word was said in the final scene that wasn't true.
The true impotence of the UN was accurately portrayed. :)

I absolutely loved the climax... the whole- "A man will walk through that door..."

Sad that everyone deserted Yuri Orlov in the end except the US Gov't. IMHO, I found out one of my friends was a guy like Yuri, I wouldn't turn my back on him, I'd be like, "Neat, let's go shoot some full autos..."

Andre Baptiste Jr.: Can you bring me the gun of Rambo?
Yuri Orlov: Part One, Two, or Three?
Andre Baptiste Jr.: I've only seen Part One.

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