disappointed in my crimson trace grips :(


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Greell
September 8, 2007, 05:24 AM
I love them so much however, I have hardly gotten to use them, 3 weeks or so when I bought them, took them to the range to calibrate, they were fantastic.

now I took them out of the case (switch off, because I always worry the case foam will turn the laser on) the laser is weak, the batteries are practically dead.

so I emailed the company about it. I'm pleased with the quality of the grips and laser, but what the hell man? some crappy luck for me I guess -=(

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MaterDei
September 8, 2007, 05:33 AM
If the grips came with the batts then they might have had quite a bit of shelf life on them.

I'd be willing to bet that a fresh set of batteries will hold up well.

mattf7184
September 8, 2007, 09:29 AM
From my experiences with CT, they will send you another pair of batteries. They have very good customer service.

Ghost Walker
September 8, 2007, 09:35 AM
Best pistol laser on the market. Wish I owned one. Who cares about the batteries. Never heard anyone complain about the way CT treats its customers, either. Like I said: Wish I had one! ;)

MCgunner
September 8, 2007, 12:00 PM
Tritium doesn't need batteries. KISS

Lonestar49
September 8, 2007, 12:45 PM
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Do they aid you in hip, or point, shooting, dim-day or night? ;)


LS


PS.. Just replace the batteries with new, good ones, and they'll last 4-hrs worth of total time used, mine still are, some 5 months later, on the NIB Sig 229 with them. Can't say the same about my Laser Max rail-mount for my Beretta..

silverlance
September 8, 2007, 01:07 PM
they should not be draining like tha tin the safe.
my cts have retained their charge for nearly 2 years.

armoredman
September 8, 2007, 02:09 PM
My CTs are still bright. I think you got dead batteries. CT will make it right. BTW, do you have a Batteries Plus out there? They should stock replacements there, too.

Greell
September 8, 2007, 04:25 PM
yeah like i said the grips and accuracy is amazing, just stinks that before i go to the range i find out they got dead batteries!

I'll just pick some up they cant really be more than like 10 bucks at radio shack or something

wally
September 8, 2007, 06:20 PM
Are you sure the foam from the case didn't clog the laser opening? Try the cleaning tool that came with the grips. On my J-frame, the laser needs cleaing after half a box of ammo.

My CT grips use the 2032 "coin cell". Common on computer MB for the CMOS clock so very easy to find run $2-3 each at stores, on-line you can get 10 no-name for about the price of one Duracell.
--wally.

crankshop1000
September 9, 2007, 10:26 AM
Hey, I have CT's on my 1911 rock and they did the same thing. I took the batteries out and wiped them off and lightly cleaned the battery contacts in the grip.That took care of the problem,the batteries were ok. Chuck.

AK103K
September 9, 2007, 11:12 AM
Do they aid you in hip, or point, shooting, dim-day or night?

The night sights dont look like Kathryn Hepburn is trying to hold a laser pointer on the target. :)

GunTech
September 9, 2007, 11:19 AM
Tritium doesn't need batteries. KISS

True, but tritium degrades. Tritium has a half life of abouy 12 years. The night sights on my S&W 1076 are pretty dim, almost useless. You should plan on swapping them out about every 7-10 years.

Lonestar49
September 9, 2007, 01:47 PM
Quote: True, but tritium degrades. Tritium has a half life of about 12 years. The night sights on my S&W 1076 are pretty dim, almost useless. You should plan on swapping them out about every 7-10 years.
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I usually quote, they'll glow 24/7 for aprox. 8yrs.

So, depending on where, and what price you pay for new tubes, or just new night sights, I'll use 120 bucks, new sights, and installed.

120 bucks over 8yrs is = 15 bucks a year, one must save for that dark day.. l;)


I can live with that.. lol



LS
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Quote: The night sights dont look like Kathryn Hepburn is trying to hold a laser pointer on the target. :)
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PS..Kathryn Hepburn, hip shooting, yea, I can go for that.. she rocked IMO.. :)

Creature
September 9, 2007, 03:09 PM
Tritium doesn't need batteries. KISS

+1

AK103K
September 9, 2007, 05:46 PM
True, but tritium degrades. Tritium has a half life of abouy 12 years. The night sights on my S&W 1076 are pretty dim, almost useless. You should plan on swapping them out about every 7-10 years.
I'm curious now, since you brought it up. What do you think the life expectancy of the CT's is with normal use? Assuming twice a month, 100 rounds an outing, do you suppose they will have a similar life span as tritium night sights? Anyone had one this long yet, used more or less under those circumstances?

If your night sights are dim, why havent you swapped them out for a new set yet?


Personally, I find the lasers to be kind of gimmicky and limited in use. I havent owned CT's, but I've had a couple of the good, rail mounted type. They worked well for what they were, but even with practice, I found them to be slower to use than the way I normally shoot, and often confusing.

The "hip or point shooting" comments seem to be their big selling point, but at distances you would tend to do either, its pretty hard to miss anyway, and I doubt you'd be looking for the dot.

Something else I'm curious about is, has anyone tried them in a "force on force" scenario to see how well they actually work in this type of shooting, where things are very close and very fast? Would you you even remember to activate them or have time to find/place the dot?



Personally, I find the night sights to be a much better option overall.

Lonestar49
September 9, 2007, 06:53 PM
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They have a life expectancy (battery life) of 4hrs TT.. then new batteries.

So, with over 200 rounds practice, at the range, with mine, that is 6 months and they're still going strong..

As far as using them, real time wise, no. But, their application for use, with a 2 hand grip, using CT grips is great for aiming while keeping both eyes open, for more peripheral vision, and they are dead on, from 10yds, out to some 50yds, depending how you have bench-set them.

You activate them by simply applying middle finger (with mine) on a button which is on both sides, so for either hand, and you can light them up with a slightly added finger pressure, and just as quick, take the pressure of, and turn the laser off, as not to leave a long light trail back to one's self.

They are really beneficial on a moving target, while keeping both eyes open, as well.

Chances of really ever using them, needing them, over night sights, rare IMO, but the moving target at night, with both eyes open, is NICE, if one finds the need to end a bad situation.


LS

AK103K
September 9, 2007, 07:34 PM
I was referring to the life expectancy of the unit, not the batteries. I was curious if they hold up to normal day in day out use on down the road.

Is the 4 hours the time the unit is powered up for instant use, including standby, or just for total time the laser is on?

The troubles I was having shooting with mine was more of a sensory overload type thing. The problem for me was, the sights and dot dont coincide, and with both eyes open, the dot is seen with the left eye and the sights with the right and they are not together, causing confusion. You either have to use the sights or the dot, which requires you to make a decision, and under stress, one you may not have time for, adding to the confusion. I'm so conditioned to look for the sights as the range increases, its difficult to break the habit, and I didnt see any real gain in doing so, so I sold them off.

I'm not sure I can see trying to find that little dot on a moving target, under stress, especially at longer range. Its one thing when the dot is on the gun like an Aimpoint and another where the dot is "out there" and you have to find it. I find the dot on the gun to be much more natural to shoot with.

Lonestar49
September 9, 2007, 08:58 PM
Quote: I was referring to the life expectancy of the unit, not the batteries. I was curious if they hold up to normal day in day out use on down the road.

Is the 4 hours the time the unit is powered up for instant use, including standby, or just for total time the laser is on?
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With the Sig CT grips, it's 4hrs total battery time if one held the laser ON for 4hrs (which is meant as battery/light/laser-on/used) in TT. They're really not drained being on standby. CT says leave the button on, or off, makes no difference in battery life. The life of the laser itself is, my guess, a long time, being that it is used for short, lase and blaze, use, no heat build up to have a cooling down, getting hot, light as in a light bulb burn out effect.

As far as everyday use, the CT grips hold up, no problem with recoil, etc., as compared to my Laser Max, rail mount, for my Px4. A waste, period, with 2 hrs battery life, an on-off switch (that requires loss of 2-hand grip) that goes dim, or off, with recoil effect, can't hoslter the gun, well, with it on, and laser is far below muzzle, as opposed to CT laser is on parrel (for the most part) with ones muzzle (making for more accurate shots, both short and long, along with, as said, always can be turned on, or off, quickly, with 2 hand grip, not so with rail mount..

I'm gonna use my rail mount as a trophy of some sort.. lol

I agree, that most, new users, pick up bad habits of chasing the dot, and it eats up time, big time, and that gets over come with time, use, practice, for what it was meant to do, and how IMHO.

If night sights are visiable, and target is defined, even if just a black target, I'd go night sights for the shot, but if moving, and need to get off a quick, unsighted shot, they can put lead on target with practice.


LS

MICHAEL T
September 9, 2007, 09:03 PM
yeah like i said the grips and accuracy is amazing, just stinks that before i go to the range i find out they got dead batteries

Would have really sucked if you had needed for real
I want nothing battery opereted on any of my guns.

jaydubya
September 9, 2007, 09:04 PM
The four hours mentioned in the instructions is for active use -- red dot visible. As the instructions also state, it is unnecessary to turn the power switch off because the system is active only when the laser is being used. I have CT grips on my Hi Power, 686+ and 637. I would not buy another pistol unless CT had a set of grips for it. I replace the batteries every six months, along with those in my fire alarm and Lojack dongles. I go to the range weekly with two of these and, from seven yards, shoot half a box each with the laser turned off. The other half I shoot with the laser on, partly two handed at shoulder level, partly in "prevent" position beside my hip. I have no experience in bright sunlight, but CT lasers are wonderful in overcast days and in the dark.

And, as others have stated, their customer service is excellent.
Cordially, Jack

armoredman
September 9, 2007, 09:42 PM
The company is outstanding, great people over at CT.:cool:

another okie
September 9, 2007, 10:46 PM
AK103K is asking if the unit will wear out, not the batteries. In other words, how long before mechanical failure?

I have a set on a snubbie that show no sign of wearing out after five years or so, but to be honest I don't shoot them all that much.

1911RjB
September 9, 2007, 11:07 PM
yea, i had the same problem, i believe it was the long shelf life, so i replaced the batteries and they have been going strong for a few months, i use them at least twice a week.

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