would you trade a Walther PP for a Bersa?


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firestar
July 7, 2003, 04:20 PM
I have a nice cond. Walther PP in .32acp that I am thinking of getting rid of but I can't decide if I should. I was at a gunshop and they had a like new nickel Bersa .380 that looked nice and he said he would trade even for it. Is this a good deal? I paid more for the Walther than the Bersa costs but I have to expect some loss. The Walther is a German PP not the Manurhin type so it is worth a little more.

The Bersa had a price of $189 which is not a bad price IMO. Should I trade or try to sell the Walther online or at a gunshow?

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Marko Kloos
July 7, 2003, 04:43 PM
A German PP in good condition should fetch a bit more than $189. If you can sell it locally, I'd do that and buy the Bersa with cash.

Out-of-state sale means that you have to add the transfer fee and shipping to the price, and it would be more difficult to walk away with a profit.

A straight-up trade would be convenient, but you'd lose the most in the trade versus a cash buy from the proceeds of a private sale.

blue86buick
July 7, 2003, 05:07 PM
they look nice, and they shoot nice too. :)

I've had a couple friends shoot mine, and they all quite like it....then again, it's the only centerfire pistol I've got so far. :p

Cableman
July 7, 2003, 07:27 PM
NO - I would not trade a Walther PP for a Bersa.

Dave R
July 7, 2003, 08:17 PM
You should only make that trade if:

-You want a larger caliber
-You want a more reliable pistol (by reputation, anyway)
-You want a lighter pistol (I believe)
-You don't care about the Walther brand name.

Since I would answer yes to all of the above, I would make the trade.

varoadking
July 7, 2003, 08:20 PM
...for a Bersa. I like peanuts too much. YMMV

martin
July 7, 2003, 08:39 PM
PP for a Bersa? That's like trading a Mercedes for a Hyundai.

JeepDriver
July 7, 2003, 09:07 PM
There sure are a lot of us happy Bersa owners here.

I can't remember the last time is saw anyone post something negative about The Bersa 380

I've had mine for a couple years now. I haven't had any problems with it yet, and I've been feeding it some cheap Russian ammo lately

uglymofo
July 7, 2003, 09:10 PM
A PP for a Bersa??? Is this an IQ test?:) I'll say 'no'.

9x19
July 7, 2003, 10:11 PM
My Bersa Series 95s (.32 and .380) are both more reliable with JHP ammo than either the PP (.32) or PPK/S (.380) I used to own... so for me, it depends on the reliability of that Mercedes vs the Hyundai. :D

Spot77
July 7, 2003, 10:34 PM
Get the new Bersa 380.

Unless that Walther is a real chick magnet or something. :p

Al Thompson
July 7, 2003, 10:43 PM
Yep, I'd trade you even - Walther for a Bersa. I think Bersa is a fine HG, but the Walther (around here) is a $400 pistol. Check out the gun auction sites and get a price check.

Heck, you may be able to sell it here. :cool:

HBK
July 7, 2003, 11:11 PM
Hell no. A PP is worth a lot more than a Bersa, chiefly because PPs aren't currently being imported or even made. It will only go up in value. Keep it. A bersa is inexpensive anyway, save a month's beer money and buy it with that.
If you're dead set on getting rid of it, let me know and I'll make you an offer.

HBK
July 7, 2003, 11:14 PM
Oh yeah, is your PP german made? If it isn't, trade away. If it IS, then it is worth more.

seeker_two
July 8, 2003, 12:13 AM
Maybe one Walther for TWO or THREE Bersas, but not any less...

10-Ring
July 8, 2003, 12:36 AM
NO! Bersas are inexpensive enough that I can wait & save the money to buy them w/o trading anything way in the process.

Jeff OTMG
July 8, 2003, 12:48 AM
That is a good price on the Bersa, but CDNN has had Walther PP's in .32, and I believe SOG has them as well, for around $230-$250. If your Walther is a pre-68 gun then it will not have any import stamps. If that is the case, it is worth much more to a Walther collector.

firestar
July 8, 2003, 02:28 AM
My Walther is a German PP not the cheap Manurhin or police surplus pistol that they have been selling lately. It was made in 1969 and does have the Interarms import stamp. It has never jammed but I haven't shot more than 100 rounds through it since I got it. It is too heavy for the caliber and I just don't have any use for it.

I thank you all for your advice, I was not sure what to do so I told the guy I would think about it and come back later. What I really want is a Kahr PM9 so the Bersa would just be a make do gun. I think I will take your advice and try to sell it outright rather than trade for a gun that I don't really really want. If anyone is interested, just let me know, I will sell it reasonable.

Here is a pic to let you know the condition of the Walther PP.

http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=366370

Ala Dan
July 8, 2003, 02:48 AM
Dave R said,

"Only make the trade if you want a more reliable pistol (by reputatiion, anyway)"

Sir,

Are you saying the Bersa is more reliable than a German
Walther PP?

If so, care to explain?

In my way of thinking, ONLY the .380 ACP caliber would be
better than the .32 ACP; but in NO WAY can I find a Bersa
handgun being better than a Walther!

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

uglymofo
July 8, 2003, 03:37 AM
A bersa is inexpensive anyway, save a month's beer money and buy it with that.

WHAT??? Maybe this IS an IQ test...

All y'all who would trade a month's beer for a Bersa, go stand in the corner and keep HBK company.:p Even a month's worth of Pearl or Old Milwaukee (do they still make those?) would be the short end of the stick next to a Bersa.....I think.:rolleyes: :D

Bren
July 8, 2003, 03:46 AM
If you are done playing James Bond,,,, I whould say Yes. You could try to get more for it but it is an import gun so it won't be much.

The Bersa out performs the PPK in every way and is a better and more reliable carry gun.

HBK
July 8, 2003, 04:21 AM
Just for the record, it's a PP, not a PPK.

WonderNine
July 8, 2003, 05:54 AM
I would think you could sell the gun and get more for it and pay cash for the Bersa. IMO, with the guns you have, you really don't NEED the Bersa, so I would try to sell the PP and then buy the Bersa if you really want one. You'll be ahead if you do that. That's not a bad looking PP and you'll fetch more for it than a new Bersa anyday.

9x19
July 8, 2003, 11:43 AM
I'm not DaveR, but my personal experience with the Walther PP in .32 was that it would not reliably feed Silvertips or Hydra-Shoks.

My Bersa Series 95 has no problems with either of them, or the Fiocchi 60 SJHP.

Many of the recent imports Jeff was talking about are genuine Walthers and most come with holsters and spare mags for $250 - $300... depending on finish condition, of course.

Good luck with your choice.

Wil Terry
July 8, 2003, 01:42 PM
EVERY, and I do mean EVERY, Walther pistol made after WWII in Europe was made in France by MANURHIN, EVERY SINGLE ONE, including all of those marked " Made in Germany".
Truth in advertising is a foreign concept in Europe, guys!!
On the other hand I've owned numerous of the MANURHIN made pistols and all have been most pleasing to me.

9x19
July 8, 2003, 02:23 PM
Terry,

Interesting....

HBK
July 8, 2003, 03:52 PM
I don't know, Terry, the Walthers I have are supposed to have been made in Ulm, Germany. They were not made in France.

Wil Terry
July 8, 2003, 05:01 PM
BUT I'M TELLING YOU THEY WERE MADE IN FRANCE BY MANURHIN, TAKE IT TO THE BANK!!!
Furththermore, you know all of those P38 [ P1's ] with the Walther banner all over 'em that have been imported during the last ten years were also made by MANURHIN in France.
After Walther had a falling out with MUNURHIN 10 oR 12 years ago they didn't make 'em in a [ non existant ] German plant, they came to America and set up a plant in Arkansas to make PPKs's and sold 'em through INTERARMCO.
MANURHIN has made guns for many folks over the years and they may well be the only thing to come from france that amounted to a pinch of shiq. I am a direct desendent of Charlemagne's and I wouldn't spit on a frenchman if his guts were on fire! For those who disagree I refer you to WWI and WWII, it was in all the papers, guys...

New_comer
July 8, 2003, 10:34 PM
PP for a Bersa?


DON'T!!! ;)

martin
July 8, 2003, 10:59 PM
The parts were manufactured in France. The guns were proofed in Germany. That was the arrangement for most of those years due to the agreements made by the Germans at the end of WW2 where they agreed not to manufacture firearms for a period of time. Production restarted in the mid eighties at the German facilities. The Walther afficionado page has the details. http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/2188/index.html

PPK importation was affected by the GCA of '68, but, not the PP. PPs, however, were being imported from Germany.

Jeff OTMG
July 9, 2003, 02:30 AM
Terry is correct. The PP parts are MADE in France, but having owned both German built and French built PP's the German built guns do seem to be finished to a higher level of polish, then of course there are the German proof marks. The German gun does bring a higher price than a French gun.

In fact, back when I had an FFL I was buying the French guns for $165 while the German guns were $185. These were police dept trade ins and were stamped with a dept stamp. The latest batches that I have seen, I have bought two of them, are not stamped. One of mine was LNIB, I couldn't tell if it had ever been fired, CDNN was $229 or $239.

firestar, if you really want to sell yours, let me know. I might be interested, they are great little pistols. Shoot, I might even give you more than $189 for it. ;)

Wil Terry
July 9, 2003, 11:31 AM
I own a " Walther " PP 7.65MM pistol with all MANURHIN markings down the left side, [ stocks too ] and all Walther markings down the right side, stock included. This was a police pistol, pun intended, from the '60's I bought at OGCA maybe 15 or 20 years ago. It also has weird shooting characteristics; at 7 yards it'll put a magazine of 32ACP GOLDDOTS into one hole dead upon the sight picture; at 25 yards it will NOT hit a 2' by 2' target backer with the same loads. This pistol does believe itself to be a target pistol with the GECO 7.65MM FMJ loads though. These GECO loads chronograph right at 1000fps from that PP's barrel and penetrate out the wazoo.

firestar
July 9, 2003, 11:50 PM
I've decided not to trade for the Bersa. I am not a fan of the .380 and not a fan of blowback .380s in particular. If I were ever going to get a .380, it would still be the Bersa. I think it is the most comfortable .380 on the market, the SIG 230/232 are about the same, very natural in the hand but they cost mas mucho!

I really like 9mm because of the power and the cost of ammo. I need a small light 9mm. If I got the Bersa, I would not be 100% happy and I would try to trade it for a gun that I wanted more. I might as well sell the PP or trade it directly on the gun I really want in the first place.

Jeff OTMG
July 10, 2003, 12:15 AM
I need a small light 9mm.

Be sure to check out a Kahr PM9 or for the ultimate in a pocket carry 9mm the Rohrbaugh.

makdaddy03
July 11, 2003, 09:40 AM
Boy are you going to lose money.

Mike Irwin
July 11, 2003, 11:52 AM
Would I make that trade?

HELL NO.

Rick Blaine
July 12, 2003, 07:03 PM
I got my Walther PPK .380 in the mid-1980's, and it has served me well. Never failed once. It was the right decision to keep the German .32 PP around and maybe buy the Bersa outright. I appreciate the Walther designs, at least the classics, maybe not the current stuff.

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