Blowback Operated Minigun


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Braith-Wafer
September 8, 2007, 07:45 PM
Its from another website but i thought it may be useful being self powered like the Russian GShG-7.62. Didnt the US have a similar concept but turned it down?.

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Zoogster
September 8, 2007, 08:31 PM
The problem with things like that is that you are depending on the ammunition to work flawlessly while you burn through thousands of rounds very rapidly. A single bad round brings it all to an end. So the more effective way is to design it so the entire operation is electrical or otherwise independent of the ammunition to function.

So a blowback design is bad for such a weapon.

Roadwild17
September 8, 2007, 10:00 PM
If it could be made to be portable it could fill the role of a hevy mg.

Wes Janson
September 8, 2007, 10:55 PM
The other catch is that a blowback design really limits the options as to what you can chamber it in.

Jim K
September 8, 2007, 11:02 PM
If you are going to use a system with the chamber separate from the barrel, like a revolver, the best way is to use two contra-rotating cylinders and not take the round out of the belt at all.

But any system like that has a lot of drawbacks with high pressure ammunition. The same problems that are present with an ordinary revolver are still there, in spades!

Jim

Cutaway
October 9, 2007, 09:13 AM
Its from another website but i thought it may be useful being self powered like the Russian GShG-7.62. Didnt the US have a similar concept but turned it down?.

No it's not you schizophrenic nutter, it's the same tired buffoonery which you yourself 'invented' on your pc.
You've been peddling this claptrap on untold military sites for the last couple of years under your various guises.
In every case you've bee told exactly why the concept is utter pants.

13 Oct 2005 abovetopsecret.com (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread176857/pg1)
As Browno: "I heard there is a minigun that is self powered."

17 Aug 2006
Sino Defence Forum (http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/land-warfare-army/blowback-operated-minigun-2269.html)
As Canashea: "Found this while browzing through the net, Does anyone out there know about it? Is it under development?"

13 Aug 2006 defencetalk.com (http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5172)
Also as Canashea: "Or 'Blowback Revolver Minigun' shall i say?"

14 Aug 2006 irandefence.net (http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=2597)
As Canashea again: "Found dis while browzin through da net, Does anyone out there know about it?"

08 May 2006 warrifles.com (http://www.warrifles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27046)
Canashea once again: "Does anyone know about dis?, Found it while browzin through sites."

07-02-2006 militaryphotos.net (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-85037.html)
As Jabroni this time: "Found these while on the Internet, Could it be based on a real firearm?"

08-04-2006 gunandgame.com (http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/other-military-firearms/32456-blowback-operated-minigun.html)
Also as Jabroni: "Found dis while browzin through the net, Does anyone know about it?"

09 Sep 2006 3drealms.com (http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/showthread.php?t=22358)
As Trambuan this time: "The Ripper Chaingun Cannon should be a real life weapon, It would be a substitute for a Hand Held Minigun"

13 May 2006 uzitalk.com (http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-19293.html)
As Jabroni again: "I found dis on a site i was browzin through, Does anyone have an idea about it?"

08-04-2006
impactguns.com (http://forums.impactguns.com/archive/index.php/t-668.html)
Canashea again: "Does anyone know about dis?, Found it while browzin through sites"

Ad infinitum...



For the umpteenth time of asking nicely, please stop treating everyone as if they had single figure IQ and desist in cluttering up the net with your adolescent fantasies.

All the above fora could be used for serious research if it wasn't for bufoons such as yourself who seem to have little better to do than licking the windows of the Sunshine Bus and posting drivel.

You know where to contact me if you ever desire a serious discssion about wpn design.

My apologies to everyone else for this young lad, I'm sure he could stop posting twaddle if he so desired.

bogie
October 9, 2007, 10:43 AM
Maybe someone oughta send the Crotch-Eatin' Attack K-9 Poodles o' Doom after him...

As for weapon design...

I'd like to see a .22LR minigun...

1) Manageable recoil, even compared to the .223.

2) Easily airlifted/palletized for forward use.

3) In the space it takes to store 300 rounds of M16, you can have 2500 rounds of .22LR.

4) Buzzing wasp noises in the air keeps Abduhl's head down regardless of the size/speed...

5) Should be effective against personnel out to 300 yards.

6) Imagine a Blackhawk with 4-6 of the things doing a full speed run over a hot area...

7) Build cans into the barrels, so that you can run the thing at night for perimeter defense without giving its position away.

hopkin
October 9, 2007, 11:16 AM
I'd like to see a .22LR minigun...

I've seen photos of a handheld minigun type thingy in The Gun Digest Book of Assault Weapons. It looked like a baby gatling gun with 20 feet of ammo chain wrapped around the user.

Maybe it was 9mm, not 22LR though. And maybe it wasn't that much like a minigun now I think about it. I'll have a look when I get home.

TexasRifleman
October 9, 2007, 11:34 AM
Heck of a first post Cutaway :)

NCLivingBrit
October 9, 2007, 11:40 AM
Acknowledging the fact that this idea has been peddled to death, but isn't the point of the minigun to remove the problems blowback and recoil operation bring to the table if the ammo is bad?

After all, why construct an intricate multi-barrel loading and firing mechanism that doesn't care if anything went bang to keep going and then take all the drawbacks (weight of barrels, intricacy, bulk) and then ADD all the problems of bad ammo back in.

Madness.

jerkface11
October 9, 2007, 11:42 AM
A recoil operated .22lr minigun? That's just asking for a jam. No telling what it would take to clear it either.

SDC
October 9, 2007, 11:45 AM
Another problem with this "blowback minigun" scenario is that you'd be depending solely on the recoil energy of the cartridge (in a bottlenecked cartridge, no less) to drive the barrel cluster, drive the feed mechanism, pull a presumably LONG chain of linked ammo, and still drive the bolt, cock the hammer, etc.

bogie
October 9, 2007, 11:54 AM
No. I'm not proposing a recoil-operated one... I like battery (or 110/120! - heck, you can make it light enough you could do either!).

Say you're in a "forward observation base" and things have been getting a little hot at night lately... Probes at the perimeter, and you're pretty sure that sooner or later, Abduhl is gonna try to sneak in with a nice fat vest o' virgins on... One supply run can bring in four of the things (at 250 pounds each), and plenty of ammo... Keep a lookout with night vision, and if you see something, just hose it down.

Let's figure one can run at 6,000 rounds/minute. Four could do 24,000 rounds. With 'em mounted in a Blackhawk's doors, you could lay down some serious fire...

jerkface11
October 9, 2007, 12:21 PM
Might as well make them .17 HMR then.

woodybrighton
October 9, 2007, 03:11 PM
or you could just have a sentry with a rifle who's awake and can tell the difference between people moving about and a potential threat.
one round one dead terrorist no need to hose anything down.
total cost not very much :neener:

bogie
October 9, 2007, 04:59 PM
The mini-minigun would be a lot more fun...

Kharn
October 10, 2007, 11:38 AM
Go work on the Ripper Chain Gun (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=232555&highlight=Ripper+chain) a little more, Duke Nukem Forever needs a technical advisor. :rolleyes:

Kharn

ROMAK IV
October 10, 2007, 07:14 PM
There was a 22lr subgun, many years ago, and they actually built a prototype, but I guess it didn't catch on, because I haven't seen one since. FWIR, it had at least two barrels and the bolt on each pivotted to aid in loading and extraction of both, with a fixed firing pin on the bolt of each. So the magazine fed two chambers, and the gun had a tremendous rate of fire. It seems the pivot could reduce the weight of the bolt, and since there are two chambers, the rate is doubled without a resulting problems with too rapid a cycling.

GunTech
October 10, 2007, 07:48 PM
On of the minigun's primary advantages is external power. A blowback design negates that.

Weimadog
October 11, 2007, 12:28 AM
NCLivingBrit


Acknowledging the fact that this idea has been peddled to death, but isn't the point of the minigun to remove the problems blowback and recoil operation bring to the table if the ammo is bad?

After all, why construct an intricate multi-barrel loading and firing mechanism that doesn't care if anything went bang to keep going and then take all the drawbacks (weight of barrels, intricacy, bulk) and then ADD all the problems of bad ammo back in.

Madness.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/weimadog/justphotos/ThisIsSparta_GNtofilm.jpg

ABTOMAT
October 11, 2007, 01:37 AM
Anyone else see that drawing and think "Zig Zag Mauser?"

Hoppy590
October 11, 2007, 01:43 AM
can we get a round of applause for "cutaway" truly internet excellency

Dan Forrester
October 11, 2007, 02:02 AM
Here's the .22lr mini gun. There's a hand cranked version also.

http://www.hal****.com/

Dan

NCLivingBrit
October 11, 2007, 08:24 AM
Anyone else see that drawing and think "Zig Zag Mauser?"

Actually, I thought Webley Fosberry, but I've always had a thing for Webleys.

can we get a round of applause for "cutaway" truly internet excellency

Indeed. Nice to see someone willing to do the research to nip the troll stupidity in the bud. And that level of commitment to what appears to be a horrible idea is either the mark of a nutter or a genius. Only history (or common sense) will tell which it is.

Weimadog, being an old user of the internet (newsgroups ftw!) I remember the time before the madness, before every 12yr old came online...... Sad and long departed.

wheelgunslinger
October 11, 2007, 08:37 AM
Weimadog, being an old user of the internet (newsgroups ftw!) I remember the time before the madness, before every 12yr old came online...... Sad and long departed.
Ah yes. The days of BBS and newsgroups, of pron directories and dos commands. A time when people acted as if they were interacting with other humans, and knowing code didn't require a spastic use of the shift key when typing messages. Knowing your way around was just basic knowledge and didn't require a title (haxd), and malware was a shameful thing perpetrated by tools who were, presumeably, grown into their sofas and angry...

Welcome to Cutaway, unless he's a schizophrenic outgrowth of the OP. :uhoh:

Henry Bowman
October 11, 2007, 10:34 AM
can we get a round of applause for "cutaway" truly internet excellencyAmen, brother!

Cutaway
October 11, 2007, 06:23 PM
Hoppy590, NCLivingBrit, Wheelgunslinger and Henry Bowman, thank you for the welcome and kind words, I'm quite embarrassed. :o

The young chap who started this thread here - and on many other sites - is not a well sausage.

He came onto the site I frequent most regularly and tried the same tricks.
He was shown by a number of posters that the products of his fertile* imagination would not work and even if they could there was no military or police use for them.

Peeved that he'd been informed he really wasn't the reincarnation of John Moses he threw a track and started being a royal pain on the site. Multiple log-ins, cross posting and holding conversatios with himself, the usual trolling activities.
I'd be astonished if he doesn't already have some 'sleeper' identities registered here.

He even used my log-in on other sites and caused them so much trouble that some of the owners contacted me on the military site to ask what the heck was going on. Well, I suppose imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. :)


Stop Press. I've just received a PM from our window-licking friend !
It's a single word and reads: "Stalker"

I think he's forgotten to take his medication. Again.



* One assumes his mind is fertilised with the same substance that farmers spead on their fields.

NCLivingBrit
October 11, 2007, 07:21 PM
Ah, could be worse Cutaway.

Our friend could be a scary overly-tanned (think crocodile hide) scary older woman from Canada who swears blind that not only are you a vampire, but are her soul-mate and promised to her by destiny.

Which ain't bad for a Brit from a welfare project town, but it ain't me!

RyanM
October 11, 2007, 10:18 PM
As for weapon design...

I'd like to see a .22LR minigun...

That's the kind of logic that makes the claymore mine excellent for its purpose. Each projectile, individually, isn't worth much. But when you've got several thousand all at once...

The main problem I see is that the belt would probably weigh nearly as much as the ammo, and take up nearly as much room in the box. And I don't think a linkless feed system would work, with the rim. Maybe .25 ACP would be a better choice?

Hm, a lot of the limit on rate of fire is the width of the cartridge. A very small caliber round could probably be fired at 200 shots per second pretty easily.

Henry Bowman
October 12, 2007, 10:49 AM
Hey, guys, a quick note regarding my post #26, above. It can be frustrating dealing with posters who show trollish behavior, and immensely satisfying when such trolls get an ultimate cyber-smackdown. Those smackdowns should only attack a poster's statements, not his personal habits or intelligence or likeability. I'm sorry I forgot, too.

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