Question on a gun in 3:10 to Yuma


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CommanderPoopyduX
September 8, 2007, 11:28 PM
I know there will probably be a ton of questions that always pop up after a movie, but one that mainly features wheel guns is something a bit more new (now a days at least).

Anyway, my question is what kind of guns the character Charlie Prince carried (the main bad guy after Russel Crowe, and played by Ben Foster)? They were revolvers that broke open for reloading. At one point, in the big shootout near the end, one of the bad guys says "You're not gonna get a chance to use those _______________ " but I can't remember what he called them. I am guessing there weren't many companies making break open revolvers in just post civil war times.

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Rexster
September 8, 2007, 11:34 PM
S&W Schofields.

Bilt4Comfort
September 8, 2007, 11:37 PM
I didn't care for the hokey ending to the movie...but I wasn't too disappointed otherwise.

CommanderPoopyduX
September 8, 2007, 11:43 PM
S&W as in Smith and Wesson? And YES! Schofields was the name I forgot! I kind of want one now, but I am guessing real ones are crazy expensive.....Besides the Beretta Laramie and the Uberti Schofield, do any other companies make a good break open revolver?

Agilt
September 8, 2007, 11:48 PM
Those break opens are very cool. Much more unique than the ubiquitous SAA

dfariswheel
September 9, 2007, 12:53 AM
Uberti makes a good replica S&W Schofield and S&W made a new version a few years ago.

The Uberti guns are sold under a variety of importers names.

2RCO
September 9, 2007, 01:07 AM
Real ones are crazy expensive. Last one I saw was so/so for 5k!

pogo2
September 9, 2007, 08:15 AM
Somebody needs to post a Schofield picture. This is the modern S&W version, produced in 2000, priced at $2,695 at a website specializing in unusual guns.

Schofield for sale (http://www.bdlltd.com/sporting_firearms.MODERN_htm.htm)

http://www.bdlltd.com/I1309-Schofield-right_side.jpg

http://www.bdlltd.com/I1309-Schofield-left_side.jpg

Glockman17366
September 9, 2007, 08:28 AM
The Uberti's retail for about $800. I'd love to have one, but that's a bit too salty for a gun I'm not going to shoot.

ev239
September 9, 2007, 01:01 PM
Well if you're not going to shot it then there are many out there that are strictly replicas for display. They'll work as in break open, but they won't fire live rounds.

CommanderPoopyduX
September 9, 2007, 01:05 PM
I want one to shoot.....I am now going to start saving my money for one of the Uberti ones.....

What other movies have featured the Schofields? And not just a guy had one, but you can actually see him reloading it, and really see the gun well?

Seancass
September 9, 2007, 01:21 PM
NEW GUN QUESTION

What is the scoped revolving rifle the mexican sniper uses throughout the movie? i hoped you all noticed that because it was COOL. in the final scene is has the cylinder removed and he is poking spent rounds out of it. and just before that i noticed he fired, pulled the hammer back and fired again and it clicked(for me) that it was a revolver.

edit: Unforgiven has a Scholfeild, but it doesnt get too much camera time showing its uniquness.

Onmilo
September 9, 2007, 01:30 PM
I haven't seen the movie yet but if the guy was Mexican and using a revolving rifle and assuming the movie was completely correct,,,,,Schofield Smiths in a movie supposed to be taking place in 1869 for example, Schofields didn't make it to the troops until late 1977, early 1878 and the first troops issued them were Buffalo soldiers,,,The revolver rifle would have to be a Peiper.
Belgian designed gun made for the Mexican Constabulary in 8mm straight wall caliber.

Geronimo45
September 9, 2007, 01:32 PM
scoped revolving rifle

Colt revolving rifle?

http://www.19thcenturyweapons.com/gallerypages/coltrevrifle503.html

Seancass
September 9, 2007, 01:39 PM
not unlike the colt, except for cartridge, and i cant find a picture of the Peiper to know if it looked similar to that. did not look like the uberti revolving carbine.

mec
September 9, 2007, 04:07 PM
What other movies have featured the Schofields? And not just a guy had one, but you can actually see him reloading it, and really see the gun well?

I don't remember if he reloaded it or not but the Porter Rockwell character had a breaktop smith in the movie about the Mormons (The Prophet???) . Charlton Heston played B. Young.

shooter58
September 10, 2007, 04:07 PM
In "Connager", Sam Elliott carried an S&W Schofield.

Kurt S.
September 10, 2007, 05:13 PM
Who can forget "the Schofield Kid" in "The Unforgiven"?

"They call me Schofield Kid"
"Why, are you from Schofield or somethin'?"
"No, on account of thisyer Smith & Wesson Schofield revolver I carry"

And "The Dead Man's Gun" (Showtime series) the 'star' was a Schofield.

Chewie095
September 10, 2007, 07:39 PM
But what was it that Russel Crowe was carrying?

Regolith
September 16, 2007, 03:44 AM
Chewie...I THINK it was a Bisley revolver, but I don't know for sure, as I'm not very knowledgeable about revolvers either.

chieftain
September 16, 2007, 03:55 AM
the Schofield shot a hard to find round. The 45 S&W Or 45 Schofield was not a common round.

There were less than 10,000 of those pistols made, and the Army owned most of them.

Most folks preferred the more powerful 45 Colt (some times known improperly as the long Colt)

And the very reliable for the day, and good fit of the the Colt.

Being able to find ammo was not a small thing back then. They couldn't just scoot over the the next town go to Wally World and get ammo for it. You can today, but try to find 45S&W for your REPRO Schofield.

Besides, to speed up a reload those folks that were serious about their shootin' would use what we call a New York Reload. A second revolver.

Go figure.

Fred

Stainz
September 16, 2007, 06:57 AM
The earliest S&W top breaks are collectively known as Model 3 .44 Americans, and are generally accepted as having been made from 1870-1874. They had various barrel lengths, usually ribbed, were blued or nickel, and available in .44 American or .44 Rimfire Henry. The governmanet bought one contract order of these. This gun was modified for use by the Russian army, a fairly large order at the time, including going to a straight, ie, not stepped like the .44 American, bullet of .429" caliber - in 1871 - and known as the .44 Russian, forbearer of the .44 Special & .44 Magnum (It preceded the .45 Colt by nearly two years!). Variants in the shortened .45 Colt round, known as the .45 Schofield or .45 S&W, did not appear until 1875+. Interestingly, according to Roy Jinks, historian of S&W - with access to the original order records - S&W would make more of those top-breaks in the 1870's than Colt would make of the SAA's until into the next century!

The Model 3 could be loaded, fired, reloaded much faster than the SAA, making it a favorite of many of the bad guys - like the James Gang - and several of the OK Coral lawmen, as well. The .44 Russian's nominal 246gr bullet sat atop 26 gr of fff bp, as opposed to the .45 Colt's 250gr over 40gr fff. The lethality of both for torso shots was nearly the same, however... recall that ER's weren't available then.

If the movie takes place in 1869, a period of time where cartridge conversions of existing cap and ball stock would be an armorer's mainstay after the American Civil War, an S&W top break of anything but a .44 American would have been a real dream. Of course, artistic license was/is commonplace in Hollywood western movies - John Wayne's favorite 1892 Winchester having been seen in numerous earlier period movies, for example.

The Italian #3 clones, the Russian and Schofield guns alike, are reportedly nicely made. They look and feel robust, from my experience, if a bit more dear than I can afford. The proper chambering of .44 Russian and .45 S&W or .45 Schofield will make ammo 'fun' to find, unless you make them yourself. I made 500 .44 Russians in preparation for a new Uberti #3 purchase, only to buy the then $170 cheaper new 629MG. They are neat little rounds, easily digested by any .44 Special or Magnum chambered gun. Similarly, the hundred or so .45 Schofields I made, as in the late 1870's, have been part of my .45 Colt revolver collection's fodder. At least the clone #3 Schofields are now offered in .45 Colt, a period incorrect but, thankfully, easier found round.

Stainz

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