So tell me why I should leave Phoenix, AZ for Boise, Idaho


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Outlaws
September 10, 2007, 12:43 AM
Next summer I am leaving Phoenix. Its all but set in stone. Towards the end of this month I will be picking where I go. I want to shoot, fly fish, maybe get a boat. That kind of stuff. I will be working as a diesel tech and Boise looks nice from all the pictures I can find.

I like the wide open country, and I like mountains, but I would also like to be in a fairly large city with easy access to those features. (Not New York large though) Phoenix is a bit bigger than I would like at this point. Plus land wise the great outdoors is too far away now. I have to drive for 45 minutes to reach the outskirts, and a solid hour or more to really be able to do anything...and usually there are too many people around for shooting so I have to go even further.

One thing I really want to start doing is long range shooting. I have never competed, but I think it might be fun to start. I don't doubt there is plenty of land to shoot 1000 yards, but are there any 1000 yard ranges and do they offer competitions?

Whats the fishing like? Are the lakes good? Are there any lakes? I was told you have good fly fishing, so I assume there are at least a fair amount of rivers and streams.

Is there ever going to be a professional baseball team? I know..... but I just had to get that out of my system.

Oh ya, I am still college age ...ish. Whats the nightlife like? I don't need Miami beach, but I also don't need lights out at 8pm.

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eliphalet
September 10, 2007, 01:43 AM
If I were you I would search at Idaho Fish and Game, go to Idaho or Boise web sites were you can look into outdoor or indoor recreation. Also look into Weather, housing costs, wages, General cost of living etc. Do a bit of google earth and look around some. You need far to much information to be provided in a fourn such as this.
One thing I will do for you is, if you choose this area to live ping me once you arrive and get settled in a bit and I will gladly give you plenty more information such as I can.
Good luck in your search for a new area to live in.

wuchak
September 10, 2007, 01:59 AM
I had to travel to Boise for a night several years ago for business. I instantly fell in love with the place. It's tops right now for the next relocation destination which will be in a couple of years.

Here's some good info on Boise (and any other town in the US)
http://www.city-data.com/city/Boise-City-Idaho.html


Wuchak

Checkman
September 10, 2007, 02:29 AM
NO STAY AWAY. BOISE SUCKS. STAY AWAY.:evil:;)

Okay I suppose there's no stopping you guys is there. You've all been swarming into Treasure Valley for the past twenty years. It's like trying to hold back the tide. :p

My city (Caldwell) which is (approximately) 25 miles west of Boise has gone from 19,000 to 45,000 in the past seventeen years. In the past seven years we've had approximately 12,000 people move in. I work for the city so I have access to the figures.

Our sister city (Nampa) has exploded from 50,000 in 2000 to almost 90,000 in just seven years. Nampa is now the second largest city in the state.

Yes there is alot of outdoorsy stuff to do. Tamarack, the Owhyees, River of No Return, Valley County, Sun Valley, Lucky Peak, Black Canyon Resevoir, Snake River, and on and on.

I've seen the valley go through some staggering changes in the past twenty-one years. I can hardly believe it.

Outlaws
September 10, 2007, 02:40 AM
I hear you. The Phoenix-Metro area has gone up almost 40% in population since 1997. We are currently at over 4 million. I don't know if that counts the undocumented.

Ranges guys....any long range stuff?

slabuda
September 10, 2007, 02:51 AM
Well If I remember right there is a 600 yrd range at Mt Home AFB and it has/had public access. Been 9 yrs since I was there but am returning next spring. And for flyfishing. Some of the best in the country. You have SF Boise below Anderson Ranch only 1.5 hrs from Boise. Then Silver Creek, Big Wood rivers about 4 hrs and Henry's Fork and Teton River Around 6 hrs from Boise. All of these are OUTSTANDING blue ribbon trout rivers. Plus a few others in between them all.

Quite a few lakes/resivoiurs around too for that sort of fishing/water skiing.

Plus good snow ski areas nearby too.

It sounds like a long drive but its not bad and worth it. North of Boise is some good camping/backpacking bit it can be a bit crowded. However just a bit further off the beaten path and you see very few people. Its very gun friendly and Also has good hunting and shooting very close to town too.

Its a University town so for your age plenty to do. So have fun and enjoy yourself.

Checkman
September 10, 2007, 05:46 AM
There are gun and rod clubs in the area. Alot of the long range guys go out into the vast emptiness of Elmore and Owhyee Counties and do some shooting. Ada County (Boise's county) is not so gun friendly anymore. Even the cops have had to close their ranges for many reasons.

Several of the Federal agencies come out and use my department's range since they have nowhere to shoot in Ada County. It's mainly because Ada has become so populated. However there are many gunshops in the area. From locally owned to a Cabelas and a Sportsmans Warehouse.

The increased population has brought both problems and bonuses. Gangs, Meth, drive bys, an increased murder rate, water shortages, democrats. Jobs, higher pay, more variety,economic competiton and so on. Give and take. It's the way of the world.

chieftain
September 10, 2007, 07:25 AM
Well Outlaws, I hope you like that white stuff that falls out of the sky. I ain't talking about bird poop or Paratroops either.

I don't. I am a Florida boy, married a Los Angles girl right after I got back from my second tour in Vietnam in the late 60's. When I got out of the Corps in 76, the compromise was Arizona, Mesa. Both my Daughters were born and raised in Mesa. My oldest graduated from ASU. Yea I like the valley of the sun. My oldest bounces between NYC and LA.

But I agree greater Phoenix has gotten very crowded.

On the other hand.

My health requires me to stay pretty close to the VA, and I frankly couldn't suffer an Idaho winter.

Funny Arizona's got good gun laws, lots of work. lots of ways to go play, and everyone wants to grow up and go somewhere else.

If I was wealthy I would be a snow bird though. Summers in Boise, and winters in Phoenix. Now that makes sense to me.

It's like hair, nobody likes the hair they got.

Go figure.

Fred

citizen
September 10, 2007, 08:13 AM
Tagged........

Tomac
September 10, 2007, 08:24 AM
+1 to what Checkman has said. I've been here (Caldwell) for over 20yrs and while I love Idaho I don't want to see it become another SoCal and population pressures in the Boise area just keep getting worse. However, BOT I'm a member of the Parma gun club and they have a 24/7 unsupervised range w/dedicated pistol, tactical, rifle, shotgun & .22 areas. There are target gongs on the rifle range out to 1,000yds. Well worth the 30min drive from Caldwell, IMHO.
Tomac

ID_shooting
September 10, 2007, 09:10 AM
I agree, it sucks here, stay out, there is nothing to do. No gun in city limits, fishing permit costs $10,000, a $4000 tax for leaving to the outdoors, ID/citizenship check every 50 miles of hiways...

DARN IT! No, none of that is true. I am a native, can't blame me for trying :evil:

OK, here is the scoop. With in two hours of Boise there is world class fly fishing, open BLM land as far as you can see, top notch white water, 8 different resiviours to go boating on, Nat Forrest as big as you want. Small resort towns, remote ghost towns, hot springs/camping, big game hunting on public lands, upland game hunting on 3 LARGE management areas.

9 - 10 month motorcycle season, 12 if you can dress warm.

Snow in the valley is not too bad, we get a slushy day every now and then, somtimes it will dump a foot overnight but those are very rare.

It will get COLD. Look for 2 to 3 months of below 0 weather in the winter.

There is a river in the middle of town that is stocked with trout, steelhead and salmon year around. This means good fishing during your lunch or after work to blow off some steam.

That said, there are some cons. massive influx of Californians and thier libereral voting habbits, big PC/tolerance push, rising property taxes (40%) in the last 3 years, Over 1mil in the metro area wich means huge crime burts (drive bys, drugs, muggings, shootings every week) Very large illegal population, Spanish becoming the primary language, world refugee relocation center, most are hard working folks but don't expect them to speak English, drive like a sane person, and aviod thier neighborhoods. The metro grew much faster than the roads were built and thus we have gridlock for two hours every day. Somone from LA will tell you it is nothing, but for us who grew up here, it SUCKS.

In the last five years, two major employers had massive layoffs, HP (where I worked) and Micron, the job market is a bit flooded but 10 - 15/hr jobs are plenty, just not the best work with the best bennefits. Have some savings with you. Rent in town is going to run you 600-1000 a month depending on your needs. Less if you don't mind trailer parks, more if you want to live upscale or downtown. Expect 250,000 for a decent house in town, 150,000 in one of the remote towns with an hour drive every morning to get to work.

I hope that fills you in. All I ask is don't move here thinking we need anything voting wise, that is the largest area of resistance and contention. We like being backwoods, redneck, church going, conservatives, at least us natives at any rate.

If you want more details, just ask.

Hiccup.Master
September 10, 2007, 12:26 PM
All the natives of Boise have it right.

I wish I could comment on the Fishing and Hunting, but I haven't been fishing for a while and I am now just getting into hunting (thanks to my girlfriend of all people :))

Right now is a good time to buy a house if you can. The housing market is crappy, there are a lot of people who are dropping the prices on their homes by an easy 20k.

ID Shooter is right on the money about the area growing to fast for the roads. Seriously, right now you cannot drive anywhere in Boise without passing by some sort of road construction.

Idaho is a red state, but Boise is very full of a hippy liberals. I don't consider myself part of either party, but I hate the hippy liberals.

The summers will be nothing compared to Az, but the winters might take some getting used to. We don't get a whole lot of snow in the Valley (thanks to Al Gore inventing global warming :) ) and if we do, it's usually gone by noon. But it does get cold.

Its also incrediably easy to get your CCW. If you have taken hunters ed you can go down and apply, if not, you take a class put on by the sheriff about the use of deadly force (only a couple hours long) and then you can apply. My g/f and I got our CCWs on the same day (how romantic, huh?).
Or you can just open carry, I haven't seen anyone in Boise do it, but I've had friends see people in Nampa/Caldwell do it.

We have an indoor shooting range that is alright, but I don't really like going to it to shoot. We have a number of outdoor ranges, none of which I have gone to. Some cost money, some don't, but there are a few places you can go just outside city limits that is free.

liberalgunnut
September 10, 2007, 05:36 PM
just be sure not to tap your foot in the mens room. :c)

ArmedBear
September 10, 2007, 05:37 PM
Don't do it!

You'll freeze to death in July! It only gets into the 80s sometimes.

Zundfolge
September 10, 2007, 05:40 PM
So tell me why I should leave Phoenix, AZ for Boise, Idaho

This web site will have the biggest answer. http://www.weather.com

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Cougfan2
September 10, 2007, 06:20 PM
The Henry's Fork River. Say no more!:D

bpisler
September 10, 2007, 06:56 PM
Why should you go? it's september 10th
and it's 106. :barf:

Brad Johnson
September 10, 2007, 06:57 PM
So tell me why I should leave Phoenix, AZ for Boise, Idaho

Better potatoes?

Brad

Checkman
September 10, 2007, 07:23 PM
liberalgunnut just be sure not to tap your foot in the mens room.

Actually that happened to Senator Craig in the one of the men's room in the Minneapolis International Airport. Not Boise.

ClarkEMyers
September 10, 2007, 07:53 PM
Idaho is the tick fever state, anything within easy drive of Boise is jampacked, there's nothing like Ben Avery.

Might try someplace like Prescott or Santa Fe where you can pick your climate by the elevation and not be kept indoors by the heat in the summer and the cold in the winter. Lot of jobs in the overthrust belt - Rock Springs WY is a nice drive north to Yellowstone. The university towns, Missoula, Bozeman, Moscow or Rexburg have a lot to offer.

rosco22
September 10, 2007, 08:00 PM
Rock Springs WY is a nice drive north to Yellowstone.

Nope Wyoming sucks . Stay away . Besides Rock Springs has NO , NONE , ZIP , ZERO housing ........................

I have to drive 3 mins down the road to shoot over 1500 yards .........sucks .

.cheese.
September 10, 2007, 08:03 PM
potatoes.... all you can eat....

I don't know.... I'm just guessing. You asked for a reason.

btw - you don't WANT Miami Beach... let alone NEED. I live here, I can't wait to leave! Gun laws are ok, but nothing that can't be had elsewhere and with less traffic and other baloney.

Outlaws
September 10, 2007, 08:09 PM
Idaho is the tick fever state, anything within easy drive of Boise is jampacked, there's nothing like Ben Avery.

Might try someplace like Prescott or Santa Fe where you can pick your climate by the elevation and not be kept indoors by the heat in the summer and the cold in the winter. Lot of jobs in the overthrust belt - Rock Springs WY is a nice drive north to Yellowstone. The university towns, Missoula, Bozeman, Moscow or Rexburg have a lot to offer.

I don't really get what you mean. Maybe it just didn't translate over text, but Ben Avery and Rio Salado are generally packed when I go. Are you joking are serious. I know there is close to a million people in the metro area of Boise, so you could either be joking or serious based on that.

:cool:

But wouldn't Missoula keep me indoors for a longer period of time than Boise? I think that is only about 100,000 people in their whole metro area. I don't know how small that really is, but it seems really small (I am just used to this monstrosity of Phoenix lol). But, Missoula is on my list that I can pick from. And Montana is on my short list.

Standing Wolf
September 10, 2007, 09:15 PM
There are twice as many people living in the United States as when I was a kindergartener fifty-odd years ago.

In plain English: everywhere is a lot more crowded than it used to be.

Outlaws
September 10, 2007, 09:38 PM
So what are the "nice" parts inside of town, and what are the "lesser" parts I should avoid and not get an apartment near?

nwilliams
September 10, 2007, 10:02 PM
Can't blame you for wanting to get out of Phoenix, I have never been to Idaho but if I had the choice I'd choose it over Phoenix any day. In other words Phoenix to me is :barf: I try to avoid going there at all costs.

ID_shooting
September 10, 2007, 10:07 PM
"So what are the "nice" parts inside of town, and what are the "lesser" parts I should avoid and not get an apartment near?"

Boise has one oddity that no other cuty has I have ever been in. There is no bad part of town. Strange at that seems, there is no divider like north/south, east/west like St Lois, KC, ElPaso have. There are just pockets of low rent, gov't subsidized housing that seems to collect much of the riff raff. Seriously, you can have a trailer park on one side of the street and 350k McMansions on the other. It is too funny like that. Mostly, Garden City leave a bit to be desired, anything near BSU, old parts of the bench, and some of the north end. Most every place else is fine.

Avoid Canyon County if you can. Not becuase it is bad, but the drive just plain sucks when the freeway becomes a parking lot.

Smithers
September 10, 2007, 10:09 PM
Expect 250,000 for a decent house in town, 150,000 in one of the remote towns with an hour drive every morning to get to work.

Umm, wow. My house cost 550,000 and it takes me over an hour to drive 10 miles to work. :banghead:

I guess I better start looking for a place in Boise...

Outlaws
September 10, 2007, 10:20 PM
Thanks for the info so far, keep it coming if there is anything to add.

I don't plan on buying a house just yet. It will be an apartment for starters. Is the "near BSU" just not renovated as much since college kids don't usually care? I see there are some apartments east of BSU about 2 miles right on the river that I wouldn't mind...if I can find the names so I can look them up and see them first. Anyone know? They are on google earth with dark bluegrey roofs if I recall. Living near a stocked river would be too good to be true.

I basically plan on going to Boise for 3 years while I get my student loans paid for by the company (well, the max they are willing to shell out for lol). If I like it I will stick around, if not I can always move on.

ID_shooting
September 10, 2007, 11:10 PM
There are massive apartments down by river but they will cost you. Unless during rush hour, nothing is greater than 15 minutes if you are in the main part of town. Ya, the BSU area is more traffic/parking than anything, ball game days really suck down there. Save some cash for a bike, I am planning a 400 mile ride tomarrow, our area is perfect for them.

langenc
September 10, 2007, 11:20 PM
I have heard and maybe confirmed here that property values are out of sight. Hollywierd types buying up everything.

ID_shooting
September 11, 2007, 07:28 AM
"I have heard and maybe confirmed here that property values are out of sight. Hollywierd types buying up everything."

I don't know about "out of sight" but we paid 76,000 for our little 1200sqft two car garage, two bed, one bath humble abode 7 years ago. We were just offered 150k this spring. Things are sure going up, but not too bad.

ClarkEMyers
September 11, 2007, 12:14 PM
Kidding on the square is the saying -

I don't really get what you mean. Maybe it just didn't translate over text, but Ben Avery and Rio Salado are generally packed when I go. Are you joking are serious. I know there is close to a million people in the metro area of Boise, so you could either be joking or serious based on that.

Mike "Duke" Venturino did a piece a long time ago about how it's too late to move west and do what he did - and he's a whole lot younger than I am.

Boise is enough of a blot on the landscape that folks who live a fair distance away wouldn't drive toward Boise for open land hunting and fishing - shooting and blasting but have to get ever farther away - one decent indoor range folded and was absorbed by a chain but there is a tension between old timers who have access to land, a place to shoot, and newcomers who don't.

Folks haven't done enough to develop ranges - and recreation - while they could because too many could say I've got mine and I don't care about yours so as the convenient places to shoot go away there will be little to replace them.

There are many otherwise pleasant communities that run to a lot of gray days (there are people who work in metro Seattle and commute by air from Boise) - Boise at least had escaped that but pollution is worse all the time - and there are many communities in Idaho with a history of really bad pollution be it from pulp mills or (agricultural) industries that put out so much smoke the visibility on the highway goes to zero at times so I'd hope it could be avoided but it flat goes with the territory.

The Internet will give plenty of historical weather data, not only for Boise but for Missoula and Bozeman and all the rest, but again the historical record will be changed by people - heat that wasn't so bad because it really was a dry heat may not be so dry in the city of the future and who knows what global warming will do for summer and winter climates.

As for neighborhoods the Statesman crime reports (Boise newspaper and TV stations are available on the web) will give some indication of low rent and high crime districts mostly quite a ways down the highway from the state capital but crips and bloods style violence is extending - presumably from Boise - into Ontario and Baker City in eastern Oregon - hard to escape it completely anyplace - folks I know who would routinely leave their keys in the car don't anymore. Time was I not only didn't lock my front door I couldn't - although the store bought door had a cut for a lock I didn't bother to put one in - now it's deadbolt all the way.

There is no Utopia. Neal Knox was the first person I ever heard mention "bring your own money towns" - what I think of as one third millionaire lone eagles and two thirds food stamps - I think he was speaking of Prescott. Jack O'Connor liked Lewiston ID - although Lolo did a lot for shooting sports in that town and the man is dead and the shop closed - among other reasons because except for occasionally making a scene at school board meetings and such Jack O'Connor got out of town a lot.

Hard to find an unspoiled place with jobs.

learningman
September 11, 2007, 02:28 PM
We just moved here from Eastern Montana in May. We came for my wifes work. Boise has certainly grown since the last time I was here. I haven't as yet had the chance for any hunting or fishing here. I have only been a resident for 4.5 months and have been busier than I want to be. This part of the world is nice. There is alot to do here for someone your age. Its a town that has grown faster than the shoes it was wearing. The traffic can be a wreck at times. They are doing a ton of construction here. I haven't found any outdoor ranges here yet but have found plenty of gun shops. It only takes a short drive to get out of most of the "heard" so to speak. But again I am still in the research phase of living here. I will have to say that it is one of the cleanist cities I have ever been in. And it is still a fairly family oriented town which is nice for us since I have two small kids. It does kind of pain me to see all of that beutiful farm ground being turned into new sub-developments. But thats one of the prices of expansion. As far as the weather goes, I think its nice. After living in Montana most of my life I'm actually looking forward to a winter here versus the MonDakota region I was living in last year. I recall it hitting 30 below only once last winter. Not to bad. Every place has it's pro's and con's. Just try to pick the one with most pro's. Good luck.

winddummy
September 11, 2007, 06:11 PM
I live about 50 miles west of boise. I moved here about 14 years ago from upstate New York. It's the best thing I've ever done. Parma Gun Club has long range events and IDPA (One of the best in the area) SEnd me a private message with your mailing info and I'll see that you get tons of info about the state and area and can let you know about all the diesel shops in the area.

CountGlockula
September 11, 2007, 07:00 PM
You actually can have grass growing in your lawn, instead of cacti...or dirt or gravel or sand or rocks...

Oh and you'll miss the 125 degree AZ weather...NOT!!!

Leanwolf
September 11, 2007, 07:45 PM
LEARNINGMAN - "I haven't found any outdoor ranges here yet ..."

Learningman, haven't you heard of Black's Creek Range??? South of Boise on Kuna-Mora Road. If you're in west Boise, just go straight south on Cloverdale Road to Kuna-Mora Road, turn left (heading east), and drive until you see a large sign on the left that says, "Black's Creek Range." Rifle, pistol, shotgun, etc. It's a first rate range.
Call 342-9614 and get the hours/days its open.

On that same road before Black's Creek Range, is a marvelous trap and skeet range and club.

As for Boise, I moved here about ten years ago from Los Angeles. The traffic in Los Angeles makes the traffic here look like a slow day on a Sunday afternoon.

Crips and Bloods???? Huh??? Maybe a few "wannabees" but there are very few black people here, and almost no crimes committed by blacks. Most of the crime around these parts originates in Nampa and Caldwell, and a large majority of that is committed by illegal aliens.

In the ten years we have been here, the largest snowfall we've had here in Boise was about nine inches on Christmas Day, in 1999. Other than that, a couple of inches at a time, a few times in winter, and it melts off quickly. The past two years I've not even bothered to get my snow shovel down.

Are there some "yuppie libs" here? Of course. So far, travelling around quite a bit, I've not seen an area where there are not some. But overall, Idaho is a conservative State.

I can get in my truck and be in good elk/deer country in about one hour. Same with upland game.

I like it here.

L.W.

revjen45
September 11, 2007, 08:29 PM
Before you decide to move anywhere you should visit the place. Spoken from experience.

ClarkEMyers
September 11, 2007, 08:47 PM
Compared to California, Boise is great, compared to what it was not so much.

The only firearms connection here is the short barreled shotgun that got one reported gang member time in Club Fed

Idaho AG Wasden, others call for renewed gang prosecutor funding
By JOHN MILLER - Associated Press Writer
Edition Date: 09/04/07

Law enforcement agents, including Attorney General Lawrence Wasden, on Tuesday called on state lawmakers next session to continue money for a special assistant U.S. attorney post created this year to help lock up gang members in federal prisons outside Idaho.......

Hired in February, Special Assistant U.S. Attorney Christian Nafzger's job is to work with counties and cities on cases involving gang members .....

Some law enforcement officers in the region where gang violence has been concentrated in recent years say the prosecutions have already been successful in disrupting gang activity, and making it clear to potential gang members that officials are serious about cracking down on gang-related violence.

.....

Over the last year, state officials have passed tougher anti-gang laws and formed special police task forces. Law enforcement agencies have been creating a database of known gang members, and Nampa police say their list contains at least 500 names. IdahoStatesman.com

For another perspective on moving to Idaho take a look at Clayton Cramer (sometime gun writer and Shotgun News columnist) and his blog on how nice it is to move from California to live among the wildlife on a ranchette in Idaho.

liberalgunnut
September 12, 2007, 12:04 PM
Actually that happened to Senator Craig in the one of the men's room in the Minneapolis International Airport. Not Boise.

Yeah I guess you're right... the republican senator from Bosie, ID would never tap his toes in a Boise restroom. ;c)

Checkman
September 12, 2007, 09:27 PM
Could care less about the charges, but make sure you have your facts right. As far as your political opinions well that's why we have a 1st Amendment. Ciao.:)

eliphalet
September 12, 2007, 10:12 PM
Outlaws,
You better go check someplace else or wear HIGH boots if your gonna walk through some of what has been written here.
Some is right on, and truth, some is out in left field to say the least.
I am not gonna get into it any deeper than I already have. I will say that the little ladyand I are both over 50 both Idaho natives both lived in Boise at one time or another and have relatives there now, and were there today. We have lived in other area's of the West, CA, OR, Wa, and Ut. but are primarily SW Idahoans so kinda know what wre talking about.
Good luck

sierrabravo45
September 12, 2007, 10:54 PM
Cougfan,

I can tell you don't live close to the Hank. I have never heard it called the Henry's Fork River, I have heard it called the Hank, North Fork, North fork of the Snake, Henry's Fork, the Big Suck, and it was better than a kick in the balls but never the Henry's Fork River.

Armed Bear,

It was 110 in Boise this summer A LOT, that is far from the 80's.

Outlaws,

I have heard California is really nice, the weather is nice, the ocean is very nice, you can have guns, you can get a boat there, What more do you want?

That's where I am going to move when I have enough money.

liberalgunnut
September 13, 2007, 12:16 AM
Hey Checkman... sorry if I offended. I didn't occur to me that I would be the only one that would find a "family values", anti-gay, Idaho Senator who was arrested and plead guilty to soliciting homosexual sex, funny.

Leanwolf
September 13, 2007, 02:01 AM
LIBERALGUNNUT -" ... Idaho Senator who was arrested and plead guilty to soliciting homosexual sex, funny."

You still are spewing false information.

Craig plead "Guilty," to "Disorderly Conduct," a misdemeaner.

Big difference.

Try to get it right, next time.

L.W.

ID_shooting
September 13, 2007, 08:57 AM
OK, enough of Sen Craig. PLEASE. We have a good thread going attepting to give good info to a member. Anymore and I am sure the mods will lock it and that won't do anyone any good.

As for the OP. Anything specific you are still needing to know?

Outlaws
September 13, 2007, 05:01 PM
Anything specific you are still needing to know?

Ya. How is Nowhere, USA?

Apparently Boise is fairly popular and its unlikely they will give it to me. They will give it to me on the sheet of paper with all the nice places that sell the program, but then when you actually go to ask for it, they tell you that its already full.

:fire:

So now I told them a few other places I would like and that I want yes/no answers for each of them.

I was 110% sold on Boise. Now I am bummed out. I know there are other diesel places out there, but I want to stick with this outfit.

Thanks for all the info, I will no doubt be back with another city later unless they project an opening next summer. I have until the 20th to make a decision.

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