What Is Or Was Your Least Favorite Handgun And Why?
Ala Dan
July 7, 2003, 09:32 PM
Greeting's All-
Thought I would throw a different kind'a spin on all
THR members; and see what your thoughts are on
this subject?:uhoh:
Of all the handguns I've owned, I guess my least
favorite that to be that 8 shot .22LR caliber Arminus
revolver that I purchased NIB from the old K-Mart
store. It set me back $42.50 + sales tax; and heck
it wasn't even worth that!:rolleyes: :D
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
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Boats
July 7, 2003, 09:42 PM
The complete line of Sig-Sauer centerfire pistols. One hundred percent unmitigated garbage.:cuss:
Just jerking your chain.;) Out of ones I have owned the one I liked least was a HK USPc .45, the most stupid impulse purchase I have ever had the honor of overpaying for. However, I have foresworn going into this internet sore spot again as there are many highly defensive HK shooters out there. Cheers.
Darrin
July 7, 2003, 09:42 PM
My Dad's Llama .22lr. Looks like a "mini-me" version of a 1911.
P O S ! :)
Peter M. Eick
July 7, 2003, 09:55 PM
US made stainless Walther PPK/S.
Mine went through ejectors almost as fast as cartraiges, even after a trip to S&W for repairs. GLADLY traded for a P22.
Thirties
July 7, 2003, 09:57 PM
Least favorite handgun:
Ruger MkII
HeavyHaul
July 7, 2003, 10:06 PM
Putting on flame retardant suit.
My least favorite handgun was a Glock 23. It didn't fit my hand, and didn't point right. And it was made of PLASTIC, not STEEL. :D
Traded it for my Browning HP.
Bill
Nick96
July 7, 2003, 10:48 PM
How could it be a .22? Any .22 that will launch a bullet more the 10 feet is worth $50.
Now those "wonder guns" that don't do any better and cost $500+ - now that's a rip off.
Kamicosmos
July 7, 2003, 11:02 PM
I haven't owned one, but have shot a few owned by friends:
Any S&W auto. They don't seem to fit me well, and I think they are truly ugly guns. If one was given to me, I would promptly trade it in!
Least favorite that I own? That's a tough one, cause I only buy guns I like and have handled and preferably shot examples of. I guess for the sake of the thread, my Automag II is my least favorite, and that's just cause it's picky about ammo. It has some charm to it though, it's not on any sort of 'get-rid-of' list.
Jeff
July 7, 2003, 11:05 PM
The Ramline .22 pistol. Utter piece of plastic garbage.
10-Ring
July 7, 2003, 11:10 PM
Least favorite? I guess my least favorite was the P220. I bought it based on reputation alone. Bonafide LEMON from day one.
Zeke Menuar
July 7, 2003, 11:20 PM
Ruger P-95. Shot out the barrel in one year. Ruger customer service was non existant. No more Rugers for me. Went to 1911's and never looked back.
ZM
Spieler
July 7, 2003, 11:20 PM
AMT DAO in .45CP. Couldn't get through one (5 rd) mag without a stoppage of one sort or another. Tried to give it a decent 'break in' but eventually got frustrated with it and traded it in to a local dealer.
-Pat
P12
July 7, 2003, 11:23 PM
S&W SW9M compact 9mm.
Straight blow back. Hurt like hell to shoot. Nice trigger. Couldn't load it without it jambing when I first bought it. Would jam at least once per mag. Had to use a loader to load the mag. Spring was so strong you'd break your thumb. Shot pretty accurately. I managed to fix most of the feed problems, but a tactical reload or for that manner any reload that would require a short time span, was well... you'd prob'ly be dead first.
Traded it for a Llama 380 and a Taraus 85.
Ian11
July 7, 2003, 11:43 PM
H&K USP/C 9mm
Lemons from highly reputable companies like H&K are complete flukes. Unfortunately for me I got the fluke. Jammed every magazine full and chucked shells into my head painfully. Store that sold it to me almost refused to believe me and tried to dissuade me from sending it back to H&K. Told me about "limp wristing" using different loads and all that. I did use different loads and previously I shot more than 1000 rounds through my Glock 27 and more than 3000 through my P229 9mm with not a single problem. Limp wristing problem?! Yeah, right. :fire: When I got it back with the work order (new extractor and some adjustments) they didn't say a word. :rolleyes: The problem was lessened but not enough for me to trust it as a defense gun. Too bad since it really fit my hand well and it looked like a high quality firearm. It cured me of my belief that handguns made and proofed in Germany were somehow "superior" in some way. Sorry Ala Dan ;)
I'd buy another H&K USP but probably in .40 or .45 But since I prefer SIGs anyways combined with my bad experience it might be a long time before I buy another one.
I'm still stinging from it. :cuss:
bpisler
July 8, 2003, 12:05 AM
P-95,real slick front and back straps with no checkering.Why ruger made it like that makes no sense to me.
cool45auto
July 8, 2003, 12:07 AM
Of the ones I own now I guess it would be my Kel Tec P32. It's not a bad pistol but if I needed to get rid of one it would be the first to go.
amprecon
July 8, 2003, 12:28 AM
3" S&W 2214, couldn't hit the broadside of the proverbial barn at 10 feet, I didn't care for the magazine safety either. It appeared well made, but not very accurate.
firestar
July 8, 2003, 01:12 AM
Kel-Tec P-32
I think I paid the most for the least when I got this gun. $291 and it you would think it would at least fire bullets, if nothing else. It wouldn't even do that, it did everything else but that. It was a nice shooter that recoiled less than my Walther PP in .32 and was very accurate but the darn thing just wouldn't work and kept breaking.:banghead: I need it to work first and be refined, accurate, fun to shoot, controlable second.
tac17
July 8, 2003, 01:32 AM
My least favorite handgun would have to the Taurus PT-140 that I was talked into buying one day.
The reasons that I didn't like it were numerous but I will just hit the high spots. The trigger felt like it had a pull of 20 or so pounds. It felt really bad in the hand, and was tricky, for me at least, to control during recoil. Oh yeah, how could I forget, the safety lever broke off the pistol the first time I ever shot it. I didn't have a very good experience with all the way around.
Andrew Wyatt
July 8, 2003, 01:37 AM
least favorite would have to be my dad's cz-40. it's entirely too fat.
I've had several 2214s and 2213s
They all shot great and were very accurate--
Unfortunate you had such bad luck---:(
Dorrin79
July 8, 2003, 08:43 AM
my least favorite of those I have bought would have to be my Kel-Tec P-11.
Not that there is anything wrong with it - it's very reliable.
But I can't shoot it worth a damn, and the combination of extremely long & heavy trigger pull and high perceived recoil makes it my least favorite gun. 50 rounds in quick succession causes major hand-and-wrist cramping.
close 2nd would have to be my mom's Beretta Jetfire in .25 ACP. Way too small for my hands, and horribly inaccurate (although that may have been more my fault than the gun's)
mtnbkr
July 8, 2003, 09:30 AM
Taurus 94 22lr revolver. I could not shoot it accurately at all. Others could, but I couldn't. On top of that, it was too sensitive to crud buildup from anything but expensive match 22lr ammo. After less than a box of lesser stuff, I would have to clean it in order to turn the cylinder when shooting DA. I could go two boxes while shooting SA, but it got tough towards the end. I sent it back and it was improved somewhat, but not enough to keep. I ended up selling it, the holster, and all the 22lr ammo I had to a friend for slightly less than the cost of the gun (I got a good deal on it myself). I really wanted to like it...
Chris
My least favorite would be my wife's Kel-Tec P32. She bought it NIB to replace her Tomcat since it was lighter and thinner. We could never finish a full mag before something would jam or malfunction. It was sent back to Kel-Tec to be "fixed" and then it was promptly traded for a Glock 26. My wife went back to her Tomcat and I got another Glock for my collection!
DW
rappa
July 8, 2003, 09:57 AM
My very first handgun, Colt Diamondback .38. After learning how to shoot on my dad's Ruger MKII and P85, I could never get the hang of a revolver. It never felt good in my hands and the trigger was too heavy.
762x51
July 8, 2003, 11:09 AM
Glocks. They are very uncomfortable for me and are ugly as sin. Blech.
J Miller
July 8, 2003, 12:48 PM
I have no specific brand or model of "least favorite". Mine is any and all of the autos with slide mounted safetys. The ones that work BACKWARDS. The ones that to make them ready to fire you have to push the stinkin safety lever UP. Stupid and awkward! I don't care who makes them.
valnar
July 8, 2003, 02:34 PM
Well, I don't own any guns I don't like, because that would be stupid, right?
But I agree with the above poster about Glocks. Ugly plastic things. I would never own one.
-Robert
Smoke
July 8, 2003, 03:38 PM
As much as it pain me to say this.....
Llama 1911. I hated it worse than a Glock. Fit and finish were horrible, accuracy was pathetic. The Glock (any Glock) comes a close 2nd.
SkunkApe
July 8, 2003, 04:20 PM
Kel-tec P32. Light strikes, trigger problems, and FTEs. Big oops when I bought that one.
CWL
July 8, 2003, 04:39 PM
Kel-Tec P11.
Nothing wrong with the gun, always performed like a trooper (even though I overpaid). There were certainly less-dependable guns I have owned.
It was just too ugly and blocky to suit my tastes. Never looked right next to my P7 or 1911 collections. Gave it to a LEO friend for a BUG, -don't miss it and glad it is being used.
tech
July 8, 2003, 06:00 PM
2nd on the Llama I had two the first one the slide metal was so soft it peened around the barrel bushing after about 200 rnds. Took it back the guy I bought it from. Great guy he traded me out for a new one. Same thing. No more Llama's for Mike.
Chugach
July 8, 2003, 06:25 PM
Grendel 9mm (predecessor to KelTec P11), and it wasn't even mine.
Just helped my brother try to reassemble it. On that basis alone, I would never own one...
Tom B
July 8, 2003, 07:09 PM
S&W M39. Terrible trigger and accuracy. A gunsmith finally got the trigger pull down to 13lbs. If anyone wants it its at the bottom of Lake Hartwell in Georgia! :banghead:
Alan Smithiee
July 8, 2003, 07:43 PM
I've yet to find a glock that feels comfortable in my hand, this from someone who likes Ruger P series....
brian0128
July 8, 2003, 08:22 PM
S&W Sigma 9mm. Too many FTF's and it was ugly.
raveon59
July 8, 2003, 08:43 PM
MY LIST OF LEAST FAV GUNS: LlAMA .45 Max Commander knock off -couldn't hit a 10" pie plate 15' away, ditto for the Charter Undercover .38spl-God knows where the rounds went..the Beretta .22LR Bobcat-couldn't get thru even one mag with out some sort of a jam..the Tauri clone of the S&W 66 snub-self destructed even with 110gr jhp's, ditto for the VERY EXPENSIVE S&W .44 mag Mountain Gun...best .357 snub has to be the Ruger SP 101-tack driving and unnoticeable recoil and S&W 29 6"BBL-DEAD ON AT 30'-I love the sound of a .44 mag...
DWS1117
July 8, 2003, 10:50 PM
My ex Glock 23. Not because there was anything wrong with the gun. It just didn't seem to fit my hand as well as a 1911 style gun. I didn't like the snappy recoil of the .40 in that gun. The .45 in a 1911 seems to have less recoil. Since I have again been shooting a friends glock fairly regularly at the range, it may not be too long befoer I pull out the plastic for the plastic. Maybe something in 9mm. Hmmm, I don't have a 9mm right now.
John Ross
July 9, 2003, 11:49 AM
Grendel P30. Interesting idea, absolutely horrible execution.
JR
Skunkabilly
July 9, 2003, 11:57 AM
Kimber Custom Stainless Target II. Good gun, but we just lacked chemistry.
Zip06
July 9, 2003, 12:46 PM
My worst experience was with a Kel-Tec P-11. First, the pistol is just fine in terms of size, ergonomics, sights and for use concealed carry. However, it had to go back to the factory twice to get it "right." Factory support was the best I have ever experienced; fast, inexpensive and very customer oriented. But by then I had lost confidence in the pistol. The final straw for me was the trigger. So long. The longest pull I have ever encountered and there is no remedy. I must admit that I would buy another if they would charge more for it and fix the quality control and trigger.
Dr.Rob
July 9, 2003, 01:02 PM
I never liked SW DA pistols, slide mouted backwards safety, etc.
Though my FEG 380 has the same features, its on a smaller scale and doesn't bug me to reach the controls.
Thought I wanted a Glock 21 but I as I discovered, its a REALLY big pistol (feels like twice the size of a model 17) and I can feel the frame "flex' in my hand when I pull the trigger.. that was just too weird for me.
Don't much care for the USP series. Too big, feels like the front strap is made of crudly checked plastic waffle iron. Just doesn't fit my hand at all.
Hkmp5sd
July 9, 2003, 01:04 PM
Grendal P-10 .380 ACP - A POS from the start. Doesn't feed. Doesn't eject. Doesn't go bang every time the trigger is pulled.
However, it does an excellent job of holding doors open.
jsalcedo
July 9, 2003, 06:53 PM
Rossi .38 special snub nose.
It was designed so you have to pull out the cylinder pin, remove the cylinder knock out the empties with the pin and reassemble.
Really really stupid for a modern defensive revolver.
Pat S
July 9, 2003, 10:16 PM
Colt Mustang plus II. 13 malfunctions out of the first 50 rds. of ball ammo through it. Had two gunsmiths work on it with a trip to one of Colt's warranty stations and it was still unreliable.
Shane
July 10, 2003, 01:14 AM
My LEAST favorite: S&W 457, .45 ACP.
The one I use to own was a unreliable piece of doggie dirt with a terrible trigger.
10-Ring
July 10, 2003, 01:16 AM
Ding! Ding! We have a winner! :D I was talking guns during lunch as remembered which gun I've learned to dislike the most...the AMT 380 backup :barf:
Worst gun ever!
Snake Eyes
July 10, 2003, 01:30 AM
Taurus Ultralight 85 38 snubbie 5-shot.
A complete and total unmitigated piece of garbage. Pure horse pucky. No redeeming qualities whatsoever. Well, one...
When I sold it I bought my first Colt revolver, a nice detective special that didn't really weigh much more, gave me an extra round and didn't fall apart every time I shot it.
wuhungsix
July 10, 2003, 01:04 PM
lets just say S&W will probably be sending me back a second replacement soon...unusual slide/frame wear and gouging...I want my money back not another POS
rodgers330
July 10, 2003, 11:38 PM
Easy- my first revolver: ROHM RG-14. Bought this piece of utter trash when I was 21 and had no money. The first time I fired this ugly pot metal junker it spit so much lead back on my hand that I seriously doubt any part of the bullet came out the barrel. It was a good lesson to save my pennies and only buy quality toys.
andy
July 11, 2003, 01:05 AM
My least favorite was a Colt Agent. Kicked like a mule and had to tighten the screws every 12 rounds. It was pretty to look at though. :rolleyes:
Zach S
July 11, 2003, 04:21 PM
My AMT Hardballer is my least favorite. Hasnt been fired since I got my kimber a year ago, little longer actually. Its actaully a decent gun, but when you go from a rattling AMT to a Kimber, then a Para, and finally a Colt, its kinda hard to go back.
Taurus Ultralight 85 38 snubbie 5-shot.
A complete and total unmitigated piece of garbage. Pure horse pucky. No redeeming qualities whatsoever. Well, one... I had a small problem out of mine (cant remember what it was), but its been pretty reliable. Guess I'm Lucky. Ive heard enough about taurus wheelguns to steer me towards a smith or ruger next time around though.
jacketch
July 11, 2003, 06:17 PM
Glock, seemingly well made even if plastic but mine failed to feed properly until sold. Great for antiaircraft use since it always seemed to want to point to the sky.
44
July 11, 2003, 07:02 PM
-- Taurus 94 .22 revolver
-- AMT 45 Backup
OEF_VET
July 12, 2003, 04:47 AM
Before I say the name of my least favorite of my guns, let me make a qualifying statement. I bought it because I wanted a .22 so I could go shooting without spending a bankroll. At the time, I was an E-4, married, with a rugrat still in diapers. We couldn't afford a lot, and my ex would have gone through the roof if I spent diaper money on a gun.
Now, the winner (or is that loser?):
My Lorcin .22. Yes, I own one. Unfortunately, I can't get rid of it for two reasons. 1) The most I'd get for it is about a plug nickel, and 2) I'd feel guilty even giving it to someone else.
Frank
tankertom
July 12, 2003, 08:57 AM
For me the worst was an EAA Witness .45. Jammed constantly and when it worked it threw the brass straight at my eyes. Melted little divots in my glasses. Sent it back to EAA and came back doing the exact same thing. Arrgh!
TT
Peter Gun
July 12, 2003, 09:52 PM
I dont own anything I dont love, but out of guns I've shot- both were .44 mag revolvers. The S&W 629's grips just dont fit my hand at all and the exposed backstrap stung like a whip. The Colt anaconda I shot had better grips but just felt loose and wobbley. The trigger stunk. Odd since I really liked my Colt King Cobra. I wasnt really enthralled w/ the taurus berretta 92 clone either. Just couldnt shoot it well.
Dr.Who
July 13, 2003, 12:02 AM
My least favorite is an un-reliable/broken hand gun. Yes it is a little wide open... But, the most fun is shooting....
Enjoy...:cool:
Sunray
July 13, 2003, 01:24 AM
"...It didn't fit my hand, and didn't point right. And it was made of PLASTIC, not STEEL..." Handgun rule number one. It has to fit your hand or it's no use to you. That should have been obvious the first time you picked it up. And only the frame is a ploymer. The whole slide is steel. I find the grip slippery.
And I agree with the Ruger .22 being a POS. Bad trigger, hard to work on, crappy sights. Even the bull barrel and different didn't help. Traded it for a Vostok. Then bought a Smith 41 and stopped looking.
glocksman
July 13, 2003, 04:00 AM
My least favorite was a Jennings J-22 that a guy gave me.
After shooting it, I knew why he gave it to me.
It'd fire just fine for about 20 or so rounds, then it would start to jam every few rounds until I broke it down and cleaned it.
Plus either the recoil spring wasn't powerful enough or the slide wasn't heavy enough, as the slide would open while the powder in the case was still burning.
First time I ever saw muzzle flash through an ejection port. :scrutiny:
I guess the J-22 would be acceptable as a last ditch gun if I had no money to purchase anything better, but if concealability isn't an issue, a used .22 semiauto rifle would make a better super low budget home defense gun than the Jennings.
In contrast, my little nickel Taurus PT-22 ($150 at a gunshow) will swallow anything I care to put into it reliably and I don't have to break it down to clean it until I'm done shooting for the day.
PawDaddy
July 14, 2003, 12:41 AM
My least favorite was a S&W Sigma .380.
mainmech48
July 14, 2003, 01:54 AM
Yet a third for the Llama .22. Mine (purchased NIB from dealer) doubled twice in the second magazine load. When I dropped the slide on the third one, the hammer followed and blew a hole in the ground about 3" from the toe of my left boot. Yes, my finger was OFF of the trigger.
Sent it back to the importer for repair. Eight MONTHS, a dozen 'phone calls, and two letters later, it came back. Field stripped it and the action parts looked as if they'd been installed by a monkey with a wood rasp.
Sold it at a loss to a fellow who thought he could buy his own parts and fix it.
No more Llamas. Not ever.
faustulus
July 14, 2003, 03:15 AM
Any glock, the grip angle just isn't right for me.
Benton
July 14, 2003, 11:32 AM
Beretta 87 - I've owned many jammamatics that spent time at the gunsmith and factory repair shop and returned unimproved. None were as big a disappointment as the .22 Beretta 87 I bought after years of lusting for it in the company catalogs.
usnavymasterchief
July 15, 2003, 04:38 PM
A S&W 340PD, I bought it, shot it and traded in less than a week. What a POS that gun was. Obviously S&W's QA was asleep at the wheel when this one rolled out. I brought it home from my friendly dealer without taking it out of the red velvet lined box it came in, stupid mistake on my part, there were scratches on the side you couldn't see, the trigger was stiff and grainy and it had dumb lazer cut writing all over it (ie don't shoot any thing less than 120gr ammo) The scandium "Atom" looked terrible. The threaded end of the barrel where it screwed into the frame looked like it was machined by someone in 8th grade metal shop. It was too light for it's own good, it was chambered for .357Mag but all you wanted to shoot was non +P .38 spl. Kicked like a mule and had horendous muzzle flip with .357 Mag full pressure loads. Grip was way to small for the average guy's hand
For a gun that cost $645.00 plus tax (7%) it sucked. The factory said send it back, we'll fix everything. Question: Why should a person have to send a $645.00 item, regardless what it is, a gun, TV, stereo or whatever, back to the factory to fix whatever is wrong. Answer: You shouldn't have to. After all anything that comes in a leatherette bound case with red velvet lining should be perfect, right? Wrong! Moral: No matter how good it looks get a snap cap and pull the trigger a few times and inspect it very, very closely before you lay your money down. At 65 years I learned a lesson, took it to a local gun show and couldn't get rid of it. Almost every vendor there had 1 or 2 scandiums on their tables that they couldn't get rid of, nobody wanted them. I finally traded it and $200.00 bucks for a new $525.00 Glock 33, lost my butt on that Smithy.
chetrogers
July 15, 2003, 05:36 PM
Jennings 9mm..I used to have it loaded next to my bed but now its in the closet in a plastic box..Damn thing jams ever 3 or 4 shots..Just have to run across the room to get to my Sar-1 or 12 gage...Man i really need to buy a new hand gun..O well
Jennings is a gun that i would only want the bad guys to have
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