Guy returns ammo at wal-mart at 1300 fps!


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September 10, 2007, 04:04 PM
From Consumerist.com:

Man Attempts To Return Walmart Ammunition At 1300 Feet Per Second

It's Walmart's policy, clearly visible on their website and in their stores, that all sales of guns and ammunition are final. One San Diego man didn't like that policy so he tried to return the ammunition in another way. By firing it in the Walmart parking lot.

According to the Union-Tribune in San Diego, a man tried to return shotgun ammunition to his local Walmart. After he was refused he became enraged and told the employees he would be back to kill them all.

Then the man fired off some shots in the Walmart parking lot. No one was hurt, but witnesses were able to write down the man's license plate number and police located him at his home.

The San Diego SWAT team surrounded the man's mobile home and eventually had to use tear gas to get him to surrender after an 8 hour standoff.

Sorry, scary gun guy. Walmart's return policy on guns and ammo is clear: All sales are final. It pays to read the signs.

http://consumerist.com/consumer/returns-and-exchanges/man-attempts-to-return-walmart-ammunition-at-1300-feet-per-second-298101.php

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strat81
September 10, 2007, 04:06 PM
:( This does not look good for the future of value packs.

unrealtrip
September 10, 2007, 04:45 PM
This is interesting as about a month ago I purchased some ammo from the local Wal-Mart. I was attempting to buy 4 boxes of .308 and by accident, the employee handed me 3 of .308 and 1 of something else, I forget which but it was a similar box so I understand his mistake. I went back in to the cust service desk, explained the situation and got a refund for it.

It's not always what you say but how you say it. This idiot obviously had issues if he couldn't deal with getting a refund on a $5 box of buckshot. Sadly, it only takes one moron to ruin it for everyone.

wheelgunslinger
September 10, 2007, 04:48 PM
Jenkies!

All I can think is how a handful of idiots are going to ruin things for the rest of us.

jungleroy
September 10, 2007, 05:13 PM
This will not reflect well upon us the law abiding armed public.
Oh so sad.

damien
September 10, 2007, 05:23 PM
OK, here is a good use of a SWAT team.

.cheese.
September 10, 2007, 05:27 PM
may he be kicked swiftly in the almonds for all eternity.

.... idiot

sorry... wish I had something more constructive to contribute, but honestly, what can be said for this guy?

JamisJockey
September 10, 2007, 06:47 PM
surrounded the man's mobile home

That's all we needed to know.....

Jorg Nysgerrig
September 10, 2007, 07:02 PM
This does not look good for the future of value packs.

Right, Wal-Mart is going to cease selling them in all stores because of this incident. Wait, don't they still sell a ton of them? Yeah, I think they'll be on the shelf for the foreseeable future. :rolleyes:

This article has a bit more detail:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20070909-1009-swat.html

Santee SWAT standoff ends with arrest


SIGNONSANDIEGO NEWS SERVICES

10:09 a.m. September 9, 2007

SANTEE An all-night SWAT standoff at a Santee mobile home subdivision led to the arrest of a 52-year-old man, who reportedly became enraged after he became upset with Wal-Mart's return policy.
Deputies said the long night began when a man went to a Lakeside Wal-Mart to exchange ammunition at about 8 p.m. When employees refused his request, he became irate and threatened the employees, promising to return to kill them all, deputies said.

The man left to try his luck at the Santee Wal-Mart. But those employees also reportedly refused his request to exchange ammunition, deputies said.

This time the man didn't leave. He walked into the parking lot, loaded a gun and fired shots into the air before driving away, witnesses told deputies.

No one was injured, and witnesses were able to write down his license plate number. The sheriff's department tracked him down to the 10,000 block of Prospect Avenue in Santee, where he lives at the Town & Country Mobile Home Lodge, deputies said.

SWAT and the San Diego Sheriff's Department surrounded the man's mobile home at about midnight, said deputies.

They tried tear gas among other techniques before finally taking the man into custody around 7:50 a.m., said Lt. Dave Myers with the San Diego Sheriff's Department.

Authorities would not release his name, and do not believe anyone was in the home with the man.

Find this article at:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20070909-1009-swat.html

Pigspitter
September 10, 2007, 07:12 PM
at least he didn't buy a pack of the federal 550 .22's. That walmart would have been peppered for hours before he stopped.

Zen21Tao
September 10, 2007, 07:22 PM
This sounds like it came right out of a COPS episode.

SWAT team surrounded the man's mobile home

http://www.cbs8.com/story_graphics/2007/09/pic_walmart2.0.jpg

Video news report of incident:
http://video.nbcsandiego.com/player/?id=154360

Tharg
September 10, 2007, 07:25 PM
Typical "people" BS tho... this is why i'm down on the "average" man... (and i'm sure why the prima donna's (aka poli's and the rich) are... ) because what idiot blows off ammo in the wal-mart parking lot and thinks its a "good" idea?

btw.. plenty of good people live in trailers... i happen to be in an apartment for the last 2 years... but there ain't anything wrong w/ purchasing a cheap house that is yours rather than renting the expensive bloody apt i'm in. :P Gotta love generalities... :)

oh well - my best friend has it right... the average person is an idiot... and thats why most of these laws that make us incensed come out... somewhere in our history (an incredulous number of) people lost the capacity to think and take responsibility for their own actions. At least that is the only reason i can think of to justify blowin off shot gun ammo in a wally world parking lot. Not saying "that action" happens every day... but its likely the same (kind of) person who has no respect for his fellow people by playing his/her radio loud in the middle of the night in a residential neighborhood, or leaving trash wherever he/she drops it, or any number of other things that ends up doing THIS kind of thing.

bleh ok.. off my soapbox... hehe

J/Tharg!

Zoogster
September 10, 2007, 07:31 PM
What an idiot.
This does not look good for the future of value packs.
Spinning this into an anti ammo thing is stupid, idiots have fired rounds, broke things and otherwise been upset and thrown tantrums over returns on numerous types of items. It just happened to be ammo in this case.

If he had tried to return a power tool and been refused and fired some rounds in a parking lot he would be just as stupid. Because it was something gun related should have no relevance to the actions he took.

strat81
September 10, 2007, 07:38 PM
Because it was something gun related should have no relevance to the actions he took.

It shouldn't, but it might. You are aware that Wal-mart has been slowly dismantling their firearm departments, right?

joplinsks
September 10, 2007, 07:49 PM
Right, Wal-Mart is going to cease selling them in all stores because of this incident. Wait, don't they still sell a ton of them? Yeah, I think they'll be on the shelf for the foreseeable future.

I believe this incident will change how Walmart sells ammo to the public. Not sure if they will cease ammo sales, but something will change... and it won't be good. Walmart doesn't care about lost ammo sales revenue. To them, avoiding lawsuits takes priority over ammo sales any day. With Walmart's management scared to death of firearms sales, it will only take one incident...

rkh
September 10, 2007, 07:53 PM
Walmart? he should have "returned" the ammo to Target!

:D:D

Merc41
September 10, 2007, 07:53 PM
JamisJockey Quote:
surrounded the man's mobile home

That's all we needed to know.....

Borderline offensive, as I live in a Mobile Home and have never contemplated doing such! :neener:

Kentak
September 10, 2007, 08:02 PM
What a cretin. Low lifes like him are as much our enemy as the anti's.

Dirtbag.

K

.cheese.
September 10, 2007, 08:07 PM
Walmart? he should have "returned" the ammo to Target!

Yeah, but then you only get store credit.

Jorg Nysgerrig
September 10, 2007, 08:19 PM
You are aware that Wal-mart has been slowly dismantling their firearm departments, right?

Only in some stores. In other stores they just put in brand new gun departments complete with fancy wood display cases, expanded ammo selection and more gun gear. It seems they are consolidating their gun sales to select stores.

I believe this incident will change how Walmart sells ammo to the public. Not sure if they will cease ammo sales, but something will change... and it won't be good.

You can believe that all you want. If it happens, make sure to rush to the board to gloat about being right. I'm pretty sure that nothing is going to change over this relatively minor incident. I'll just sit here smugly, confident in my beliefs until you come back and post that the sky is falling and Wal-Mart is changing the way they sell ammo. To be far, I'll let you know when the ammo disappears from the shelves here.

Walmart doesn't care about lost ammo sales revenue.

On the contrary, Wal-Mart seems to be rather interested in making money. While ammo is only a fraction of their sales, they are still one of the biggest ammo retailers in the country and that does amount to a pretty decent chunk of change.

To them, avoiding lawsuits takes priority over ammo sales any day.
Where's the lawsuit? Are they suing themselves for selling the guy the ammo? Is the guy filing a lawsuit because they didn't accept the return? Where is the lawsuit?

Wal-Mart has already been sued more than once for selling ammunition used in crimes and suicides, yet they just keep selling ammo. (Coker v. Wal-Mart Stores, Inc.; Drake v. Wal-Mart. Inc.;Scoggins v. Wal-Mart Stores, Inc; inter alia)

Here's how these things work. Wal-Mart figures out how much they stand to lose in sales vs. how much a lawsuit will cost them. Wal-Mart pays people a lot of money to figure out those numbers for them and they factor in abtract things that you and I aren't even aware of. If the lost sales number is bigger than the lawsuit number, they keep selling ammo.

With Walmart's management scared to death of firearms sales, it will only take one incident...
If they are so "scared to death", why do they keep selling guns and have a special order section online? Why did the new Wal-Mart here that opened in the last few months have a large gun section? And you honestly think this is the "one incident"? Come on, this incident happened Saturday and it's got almost zero coverage outside of California and is getting little coverage even there.

Wal-Mart's only fears with selling guns are that the fines for selling them improperly may exceed the sales or that the sales are too sluggish compared to something else they could put on the same shelf space. You can bet the latter has far more to do with their removal of firearms in certain stores than the former.

Now that this has fully turned into a "OH NOES!!11!!oneone Walmart isn't going to sell ammo anymore!!!111!!11" thread, can it be lock time now please?

gyp_c2
September 10, 2007, 08:26 PM
...they just moved the guns to the stores they want them in...Some are set-up better for the gun sale thing than others...mostly the new ones with better security and locations...

robsc
September 10, 2007, 08:29 PM
I wonder where slick willie clinton found him? Pizza place?...bar?...hole in the wall business, whatever? Clinton...``Are you employed? If you want a job, there`s something you can do for me. I`ll pay you well.``

Jorg Nysgerrig
September 10, 2007, 08:36 PM
I wonder where slick willie clinton found him? Pizza place?...bar?...hole in the wall business, whatever? Clinton...``Are you employed? If you want a job, there`s something you can do for me. I`ll pay you well.``

Did you seriously just suggest Bill Clinton was behind this? Wow... just... wow...

Browning
September 10, 2007, 08:43 PM
Gun owners shouldn't be buying ammo from Wal-Mart anyway. I really don't like stories like that though, it gives some people the impression somehow that behavior like this is typical of gun owners when in fact this guy was a freaking loon.

22-rimfire
September 10, 2007, 08:51 PM
I have returned pyrodex or Triple 7 at Walmart. It was kind of humorous. The girl at the return desk said "No returns of ammo." I replied it isn't ammo and the box is unopened. She called sporting goods and they said, no it is not ammo.

I was told that Walmart will be only selling guns at selected stores in a given region. Some stores have dropped them, had them removed, now the guns are back again.

cfl1911
September 10, 2007, 09:01 PM
It has nothing to do with this dummy but 2 of the 4 wal marts in my area are stopping sales of ammo all togather. I asked at one of the others and they may also. First guns and now ammo whats next knives?

sdchuck1
September 11, 2007, 02:06 PM
I live in Santee and my Brother in Law knew this guy as he lived 3 or 4 trailers down from him for awhile. I have returned a case of shotgun shells to this very Walmart, as I had bought 2 grabbed them off the shelf and one was 16 or 20 gauge I forget which but stocked with the 12 gauge. I politely called the manager from home after getting back from skeet shooting and she explained that due to people potentially tampering with the ammo and trying to return in in hopes of someone else buying it and being injured they could not refund my money. I explained to her that if the clerk had noticed the 2 different gauges while stocking I would not have this problem. They have alway had the different gauges seperated by atleast a few inches. She let me exchange the rounds and sent the returned ones back to Walmart to be destroyed. I was very happy she did what she could to make the deal right.

ArmedBear
September 11, 2007, 02:10 PM
I talked to someone last night at a park where we were running our dogs. She had heard about it, too.

Her reaction was about the same as mine.

1. That's good ol' Santee for ya (town east of San Diego). You can build expensive view houses along the ridgelines, but the meth-heads and trailer parks are still the same, as long as they're there.:)

2. The guy was a druggie, with mental problems. I'm glad he didn't hurt anyone.

No anti-gun sentiment, believe it or not. It was good to hear.

A little local snobbery, but that's another thing...:)

Pushrod
September 11, 2007, 02:51 PM
This does not look good for the future of value packs
Yeah? Where in the heck are you finding value packs out there? Certainly not in Maryland. I check every Wallyworld that I come across here in the great free state and as yet found a store that carries them.
Same goes for West Virginia, haven't found them there yet either.

davinci
September 11, 2007, 04:54 PM
walmart's got a real good return policy on everything else though... I just returned some shades that were an inch small...box opened...plastic missing, box ripped... didn't charge me a dime for 'restocking' like some places.

I'm very glad that they have a no-return on guns and ammo. The last thing they need is some crazy buying up guns to shoot folks then cleaning and returning them to the store saying "it didn't feel right" or some nonsense. Same with ammo. Some nut could take the factory loads and replace them with half-butt reloads with no primers and lead bullets...and the kid behind the counter would never know the difference.

Good policies on both counts.

offthepaper
September 11, 2007, 05:05 PM
Yeah? Where in the heck are you finding value packs out there? Certainly not in Maryland. I check every Wallyworld that I come across here in the great free state and as yet found a store that carries them.
Same goes for West Virginia, haven't found them there yet either.
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Belair
White Marsh
Bowleys Quarters
Golden Ring

I picked some up last week or have seen them in these stores in 9mm and 40 SW during the last couple of weeks.

Riz58
September 11, 2007, 05:09 PM
Well, as I used to tell the Director of Human Resources whom I used to supervise: "Despite all evidence to the contrary, I still believe that there is intelligent life out there somewhere!"

Bunkerbuster
September 12, 2007, 05:33 AM
I think i wrote this on THR before. We once had an incident that Wal-Mart did took our ammo return.

We got WWB 223. and went shooting. Found out it had 22-250 ammos inside the 223 box. We double and triple checked. Then we took it back to wal-mart, and they did gave us a refund.

Imagine if those 22-250 ammo fitted into ar15 mags. we would've shot it.

After this, i check almost every single box that I buy from wal-mart.

JLStorm
September 12, 2007, 05:50 AM
Is it to much to ask that gun owners think about how their actions effect other gun owners before they do something. Why cant they just breath and think of someone other than themselves...why is this so hard!

Bazooka Joe71
September 12, 2007, 02:28 PM
Is it to much to ask that gun owners think about how their actions effect other gun owners before they do something. Why cant they just breath and think of someone other than themselves...why is this so hard!

Call me crazy, but I don't think this nimrod has ever done too much of that thinkun' stuff.

mrmeval
September 12, 2007, 05:40 PM
Delete

powwowell
September 12, 2007, 05:53 PM
It seems to me that the fellow who fired the ammo at Wal-Mart has a problem with his emotions. I predict he will be getting over his problem long before the gentleman who has a problem with snobbery.

I don 't live in a mobile home, but I still found the comment "that explains it" offensive. Not borderline offensive. Over the line offensive.

ArmedBear
September 12, 2007, 06:02 PM
powwowell, I've got nothing against mobile homes, or tents.

The area where he lives was a cesspool of drugs and stupid crime (e.g. domestic violence) for a long time. There's nothing snobbish about crime stats, and it's got nothing to do with what sort of structure one lives in. All too many houses down the street held similar characters.

has a problem with his emotions

He and a lot of his neighbors. I spent some time there, a while back. I used to date someone who lived within a few blocks of there. She'd say the same thing.

2RCO
September 12, 2007, 06:03 PM
It will take a Million postive acts by Gun Owners to get as much publicity as this one idiots moronic action.

What's the quote "The good men do is often interred with their bones, the evil lives on." It's from Thanatopsis I was too lazy to look up the exact quote.

ArmedBear
September 12, 2007, 06:04 PM
Nah, seriously, I didn't get an anti-gun vibe at all, just a "what a nutcase!" reaction from people here, near where it actually happened.

Like I said, I was glad about that.

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