My carry gun is in pieces!


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jdege
July 7, 2003, 10:32 PM
My carry gun is in pieces!

It's a Kel-Tec P11, that I've finally (after dremelling off the belt clip pins) have disassembled to do a full fluff-and-buff.

I'm doing the full set of trigger performance improvements, and described on the KTOG site, and after an hour, I'm still polishing the transfer bar flat.

So the pieces go in the desk drawer. I'll carry on tomorrow.

As for my carry gun, I guess it's the Cougar for the next couple of days.

Never have just one gun!

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andrew1957
July 7, 2003, 10:34 PM
What exactly is a Kel Tec? Better get a CZ..

dude
July 7, 2003, 10:38 PM
at least you are happy about it

........I still remember the first time I had my Garand all dissasembeled and on the table a few years back, AGGAHH!

nextjoe
July 7, 2003, 10:52 PM
Garands are pretty easy. You don't need much in the way of tools. If you want something FUN, try a gun that requires piecing together sub-assemblies on slave pins. If you don't know how to use slave pins, you'll NEVER get the darn thing reassembled.

Best,
Joe

10-Ring
July 7, 2003, 11:01 PM
Good luck w/ your project. Don't forget to tell us how she turns out when you're done!

E357
July 8, 2003, 12:37 AM
Do that "White trigger stop" thing also. Its easy and makes a GREAT difference.

Elliot

firestar
July 8, 2003, 01:17 AM
Most Kel-Tec owners know their pistols inside and out. Most have taken them apart compleatly at least once to do the fluff and buff or to replace broken parts. It is a great gunsmith training gun because if you want it to work, you had better be a darn good gunsmith. :neener:

9x19
July 8, 2003, 10:47 AM
firestar,

What a load of BS... :barf:

My Kel-Tecs (all five) have been excellent performers... 'tis a shame you've had such bad luck with these handguns. :neener:

Posted in the interest of balance.

22luvr
July 8, 2003, 12:01 PM
If you've ever seen an exploded view of either a P11 or P32, you would be astounded at how FEW moving parts they have. I learned more about what makes autoloaders function taking apart my P11 than any other single activity.

alamo
July 8, 2003, 02:23 PM
From what I've seen of his postings, firestar has trouble with about every gun he has. Even his friends have trouble, like the friend with the Makarov who said the safety and other parts flew across the room.

George Hill
July 8, 2003, 03:34 PM
Guys, see the sign? It says "Don't Feed The Trolls."

Keep. It. Civil.

denfoote
July 8, 2003, 05:13 PM
Lose that nickle plated sissy pistol and get yourself a Glock!!! :D

brian0128
July 8, 2003, 05:14 PM
What exactly is a fluff and buff? Polishing etc or does it include deburring and rounding the edges as well? Is it all internal or do you do external stuff too?

jdege
July 8, 2003, 06:07 PM
Fluff-and-buff:

http://www.ktog.org/tecwerks.htm

firestar
July 9, 2003, 02:25 AM
"firestar,

What a load of BS...

My Kel-Tecs (all five) have been excellent performers... 'tis a shame you've had such bad luck with these handguns.

Posted in the interest of balance."
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Who you gonna believe, me or some guy that was foolish enough to buy FIVE Kel-Tecs? :neener:

Bren
July 11, 2003, 01:55 AM
"please don't feed the trolls".

"From what I've seen of his postings, firestar has trouble with about every gun he has. Even his friends have trouble, like the friend with the Makarov who said the safety and other parts flew across the room."

ROTFLMAO!

yzguy
July 11, 2003, 11:32 AM
jdege (back to the topic),
just in case you did not already know here are a few pages I put together on KT's that you might find usefull:
http://www.1bad69.com/keltec/index.htm

jdege
July 11, 2003, 01:57 PM
I like your site - especially that you include your mods that didn't work, e.g. cutting down the firing pin spring.

Well illustrated, too.

firestar
July 11, 2003, 08:31 PM
You want the truth? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! Haha.

"Yep, yzguy's the maestro.
Do all his trigger mods to your KT, let some guys at the range shoot it with that new trigger pull, and they'll try buying it for $600 or so.
I'm not kidding, either.
Flyer"

Come on now, lets come back to the planet earth for a second, shall we? What kind of people are offing $600 for a P-32 with "trigger mods" ? $600?!?! :what: :scrutiny:

Lastryghts
July 11, 2003, 09:45 PM
Maybe the kind of person who can't get his own guns working would pay 600 for a p-32! Just a thought.

GunnerBS
July 11, 2003, 10:41 PM
As a "darn good gunsmith" (translated- Kel-Tec owner, see firestar post above) myself, I have to throw my $.02 in. I'm glad I took the time to F&B my KTP-11, so now I can take it apart and troubleshoot it whenever I need to. Worked out of the box and I trust my life with it every day.

Kel-Tec isn't about cheap, it's about value.

jdege, I trust your gun went together without incident. see ya 'round

bob sends

jdege
July 11, 2003, 11:05 PM
It didn't go together without incident.

Or rather, it went together, and now it doesn't work.

Polished, and Mil-tec'ed, and assembled fine. But though the hammer goes back when the trigger is pulled, the hammer never drops.

I very carefully didn't do anything to the hammer/transfer bar interface, this time around, so I'm not sure what is going on.

Rick Blaine
July 11, 2003, 11:29 PM
jdege,
I recently polished the transfer bar on my P-11. It's easy to put it back together. Yzguy has very detailed instructions on his site.
The P-11 is a great design. It's simple, reliable, and easy to take down for cleaning. Did I mention accurate? It's a great little shooter. What's not to like? Enjoy.

jdege,
Sorry, I missed your post that you had a problem after putting your P-11 back together. yzguy is the man to explain all of this so go to 1bad69.com (http://www.1bad69.com) and follow his steps.

firestar
July 13, 2003, 01:24 AM
"Nope
It didn't go together without incident.

Or rather, it went together, and now it doesn't work.

Polished, and Mil-tec'ed, and assembled fine. But though the hammer goes back when the trigger is pulled, the hammer never drops.

I very carefully didn't do anything to the hammer/transfer bar interface, this time around, so I'm not sure what is going on."
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Do I even need to say anything?
:rolleyes:

OEF_VET
July 13, 2003, 07:47 AM
Here's another devout follower of the Kel-Tec faith. I love mine, it works wonderfully, and get this, I haven't even done a F&B to it yet. (I'm too cheap to buy a Dremel tool for one chore.) The only problems I had with mine was with cheap ammo, American Ammunition for those interested.

Frank

PCRCCW
July 13, 2003, 08:23 AM
Hmmmmmmmm. After ROFLMFAO while reading this thread......I have nothing positive to add......so Ill go back to my corner and play with my shiney thing.
:D :scrutiny:
Shoot well

9x19
July 13, 2003, 09:22 AM
It didn't go together without incident.

I guess firestar's standards for gunsmiths might need a bit of adjustment?

Take it apart and re-assemble it again, using the website quoted.

As much as we all hate to admit it, if it worked before you started tinkering and doesn't work now... you may have reassembled it incorrectly.

yzguy
July 13, 2003, 12:54 PM
I guess I'd say try taking it down (frame out of grip) and pay special attention to the hammer, hammer axis, trigger axix, and trigger bar, although I don't think there is a way to assemble it incorrectly to cause this...

jdege
July 13, 2003, 02:15 PM
I'm convinced all the parts are in the right places.

jdege
July 13, 2003, 04:41 PM
I took it apart, drove the trigger pin in further, and now it dry fires correctly.

9x19
July 13, 2003, 06:29 PM
WooHoo!

Good job finding and correcting the problem... have fun.

jdege
July 13, 2003, 07:23 PM
Just got back from the range, and it works flawlessly.

Trigger is just as long, but somewhat lighter, and a lot smoother.

It has sort of knee in the trigger pressure - a fairly light pull until just before release, then a very short pull to fire.

What with the new grip, it's more accurate, and much more pleasant to shoot.

I'll take another run down to the range, to fire another 100 rounds or so, just to make sure it's reliable, before I return to using it as my carry piece.

But to return to my original point - make sure you have a backup piece. Something to use when you're primary piece is out of action.

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