Cleveland Mayor calls for law prohibiting those under 21 from possessing firearms


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Matt King
September 10, 2007, 09:08 PM
From: wkyc.com

Scott Newell
Created: 9/10/2007 6:35:25 PM
Updated:9/10/2007 7:12:54 PM

CLEVELAND -- Mayor Frank Jackson has called for the Ohio General Assembly to pass a law banning anyone under the age of 21 from possessing a firearm.
The mayor's plea comes during a rash of violence which has left more than 50 young people dead from gunfire in Cleveland and Cuyahoga County this year.

The Mayor says the state's recently passed conceal carry law leaves local police powerless to go after some of those young adults toting guns.

"Right now, if a young person was walking down any Ohio street brandishing an assault weapon, the police could not arrest him for that," said Mayor Jackson. "This legislation will give the police another tool to do their job and give our citizens a stronger sense of security."

This is the second time the City of Cleveland has taken issue with the state over gun control issues. Passed in March, House Bill 347, which allows for concealed carry of weapons with proper permitting, stripped municipalities of their right to create and enforce gun control laws within their communities, according to Mayor Jackson.

The city has challenged that law, saying H.B. 347 violates Cleveland's rights as a home rule municipality. Mayor Jackson says the city can't wait for that lawsuit to make its way through the court system.

"To deny us the opportunity to fulfill our duty and right to protect our citizens is unconscionable," the mayor said.

Jackson said in Cleveland from 2004-2006, more than 70 percent of those arrested for crimes involving firearms were under the age of 28.

Some people in Slavic Village, where a 12-year-old was recently killed in the crossfire of a gun battle, agree with the mayor's plan to make it illegal for those 21 and under to possess a firearm.

"It's a great idea,", said Virgil Woloszyn, who lives with his 89-year-old mother near the spot where the recent murder occurred. "No kid should be able to have any kind of gun at any time."

"There's a whole lot of things that need to be changed," said another resident, Dave Thompson. "I agree with Frank Jackson."

Mayor Jackson acknowledged that the new law will be a tough sell in the state legislature.

"We have a saying on the street," Jackson said, "A scared man will get you killed, which means I can't be afraid of these challenges. We have to move ahead. We have no choice in this matter."


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taliv
September 10, 2007, 09:10 PM
he's just all salty because of the spanking the browns got this weekend

Gunbabe
September 10, 2007, 09:21 PM
I live about an hour from there and there have been 3 shootings in the last two weekends that I know of I am sure more. I feel bad for the 12 year old girl that got caught in the middle of two jerks fighting it out and never saw day light again. It's the same as always. You can ban them and put whatever restrictions you want but the "bad guy" will always get his hands on them.

armoredman
September 10, 2007, 09:21 PM
What a moron. "Can't wait for the lawsuit to proceed." C'mon, does this mean a DC citizen should just go get a pistol for thier house, despite the case not having gone through the Supreme Court, because they "can't wait for the lawsuit to proceed"? Wake up, Mayor Moron, and grab a clue - you, too, are NOT above the law!

novaDAK
September 10, 2007, 09:28 PM
I'm so sick of this "sense of security" and "feeling safe" crap.

Glad I don't live there.

The way I see it, at age 18, you're an adult. Period.

Here in VA we can OWN handguns and evil assault weapons at age 18. I did...at age 18 I owned 7 handguns...all from face-to-face sales from relatives and friends :) this wasn't all that long ago either :D

Titan6
September 10, 2007, 09:31 PM
Wow, I mean really wow...

Okay so most criminals are under the age of 28 so we ban them for people under the age of 21...

A person can walk down the street brandishing a weapon and not be arrested... Guess it depends on what your definition of brandishing is....

I have not read Ohio's constitution. What does it say about home rule?

Wow...

glennv
September 10, 2007, 09:31 PM
***! How many people walk around brandishing assault weapons? What a hack!

trueblue1776
September 10, 2007, 09:32 PM
he's just all salty because of the spanking the browns got this weekend

Top notch! ;)

Professor K
September 10, 2007, 09:35 PM
Huh, what's he talking about? If you walk around town with an AR, you'll at least be detained, and probably charged with disturbing the peace or something along those lines. And how does the liberalized CCW law affect gang members, who usually have criminal records, and juveniles, who cannot get a CCW until they turn 21 anyway?

Henry Bowman
September 10, 2007, 09:37 PM
The Mayor says the state's recently passed conceal carry law leaves local police powerless to go after some of those young adults toting guns.No one under 21 has or can get a Ohio CHL. Read the law before you open your mouth, Mr. Mayor.

"Right now, if a young person was walking down any Ohio street brandishing an assault weapon, the police could not arrest him for that," said Mayor Jackson.While open carry is indeed legal in Ohio, "brandishing" or inciting panic" is certainly chargeable if warranted. I really doubt that the Cleveland PD doesn't know this and already act accordingly.

SG Merc
September 10, 2007, 10:49 PM
Cleveland, the mistake on the lake.

Why can't we get a mayor in this town who has a lick of common sense?

I'll be doing my part writing to these dictators.

yesit'sloaded
September 10, 2007, 11:00 PM
I don't live Ohio but I am in a tricky position when it comes to things like this. I am 19 years old and thus am allowed to posses both long arms and pistols. I can open carry my handgun all day long but cannot apply for a concealed permit until I am 21 next November. I can buy ammo by the case for my long arms, and yet have to let an "adult" buy my pistol ammo. No offense to my elders, but the second amendment is so we could fight an unjust government that infringed upon our civil rights. Almost every war has been fought by mostly 18-25 year old men. If the government decides that my rights do not matter as they already have in terms of handguns, automatic weapons, and even alcohol, I see no reason to support that government with either my money nor my life.

PTK
September 10, 2007, 11:16 PM
In Ohio, those under 21 may not legally possess pistols in any case. This proposal would change that to "any firearms" instead of "pistols".

trueblue1776
September 10, 2007, 11:24 PM
Why can't Mayors be happy with legislating new garbage routes? Urban centers get ridiculous legislative powers. :barf:

BlisteringSilence
September 10, 2007, 11:26 PM
I am 19 years old and thus am allowed to posses both long arms and pistols. I can open carry my handgun all day long but cannot apply for a concealed permit until I am 21 next November.
:uhoh:
In Ohio, those under 21 may not legally possess pistols in any case. This proposal would change that to "any firearms" instead of "pistols".

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

yesit'sloaded
September 10, 2007, 11:28 PM
I don't live in Ohio."The right of every citizen to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person, or property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall not be called in question, but the legislature may regulate or forbid carrying concealed weapons."-Mississippi Constitution "Subject to the provisions of Section 45-9-53, no county or municipality may adopt any ordinance that restricts or requires the possession, transportation, sale, transfer or ownership of firearms or ammunition or their components"
Gotta love this state.

BlisteringSilence
September 10, 2007, 11:31 PM
I don't live in Ohio.

Sorry, misread your first sentance. I've been drinking, 'cause it's my birthday.

yesit'sloaded
September 11, 2007, 12:06 AM
Well then you should resent the fact that your government won't let me buy you a drink which I would love to do but can't.

TacoMalo
September 11, 2007, 12:25 AM
The Mayor says the state's recently passed conceal carry law leaves local police powerless to go after some of those young adults toting guns.

"Right now, if a young person was walking down any Ohio street brandishing an assault weapon, the police could not arrest him for that," said Mayor Jackson. "This legislation will give the police another tool to do their job and give our citizens a stronger sense of security."



What a tool:what:

BlisteringSilence
September 11, 2007, 01:50 AM
Well then you should resent the fact that your government won't let me buy you a drink which I would love to do but can't.

And I do. While I support the overall goal of MADD, I cannot condone their actions. It's the constant battle of Paramedic vs. Libertarian.

I do see it as a circumvention of the Constitution that the federal government can coerce the states into bending to their will by withholding funds that should have been raised and distributed in the state to begin with.

But that's a wholly different discussion. I digress.

TheFringe
September 11, 2007, 01:52 AM
Quote:
The Mayor says the state's recently passed conceal carry law leaves local police powerless to go after some of those young adults toting guns

The vast majority of gun crimes are committed by those who did not or could not qualify for a CCW as they usually have long criminal rap sheets. These crimes are in most cases committed with stolen weapons to boot.

What a maroon.

foghornl
September 11, 2007, 08:26 AM
Every new mayor of Cleveland seems to be more of an absolute blathering idiot than his (her) predecessor. (Anyone remember heronor Mayor Jane Campbell?? The one that laid off all the Police/Fire/EMS folks??)

Mayor Frankie has tied up a bunch of Cleveland City money in (at best) a frivilous lawsuit challenging the pre-emption clause of the recently amended Ohio CCW law.

Why is it that those "In Charge" ALWAYS want to disarm those that have obsolutely NOTHING to do with crime?

chieftain
September 11, 2007, 08:39 AM
I would bet a years salary, that every one of the shooters in those incidents had a prior criminal record which would have made them illegal to possess firearms already.

Any takers?

Go figure.

Fred

romma
September 11, 2007, 10:01 AM
It's about power, and dissarming law abiding citizens...

Maybe the thugs give him a cut of their action for creating a slew of fresh victims.

FieroCDSP
September 11, 2007, 10:09 AM
I posted a comment here after I caught the Fox version of it. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=301833

I wrote in regarding the information Jackson was spouting being incorrect. There is no reason for this law and as an Ohioan, I urge my fellow Ohioans to rise up now and write the legislators before this gets any traction at all.

Werewolf
September 11, 2007, 10:28 AM
Why is it that those "In Charge" ALWAYS want to disarm those that have obsolutely NOTHING to do with crime?
Because your average voter is stupid enough to believe that the ignorant legislation those in charge submit will actually make them safer...

Deanimator
September 11, 2007, 11:06 AM
1. People under the age of ***28*** were cited as the primary perpetrators of shooting violence, as meaningless a statement as has ever been made.

2. Any such bills have ZERO chance of passage. Southern Ohio would secede first.

Deanimator
September 11, 2007, 11:09 AM
I have not read Ohio's constitution. What does it say about home rule?

We have preemption, like Virginia. That's why the perpetually confused Mayor Jackson is engaged in this utterly futile effort at the state level.

romma
September 11, 2007, 11:21 AM
What Cleveland needs is a law banning violent criminals from possessing firearms...

What? Oh, I am sorry, there already is one.

RioShooter
September 11, 2007, 06:20 PM
Sorry, misread your first sentance. I've been drinking, 'cause it's my birthday.

Happy Birthday! :D

denfoote
September 11, 2007, 10:12 PM
Ya know after almost 40 years in Arizona, having been dragged kicking and screaming from Ohio, I started to have hankerings to "go home". With both parents dead, and most of my family there, there is nothing holding me to AZ.
Mrs denfoote has expressed a desire to move somewhere "cooler" as well.
But every time I read about krap like this I begin to have second thoughts!! :mad:

Bigjake
September 11, 2007, 10:41 PM
Were i to describe the typical Cleveland street corner, I'd probably be run out on a rail for being a racist or some other sort of malcontent.

You can't go a day without hearing a dozen lame public service announcements about children going hungry and "just call this number for free *insert whatever*"

Don't want to get shot at? stay out of that "poor & startvin" rathole. Cleveland deserves Frank Jackson.

Unless you are VERY heavily armed and fluent in Ebonics and/or Spanish.

FieroCDSP
September 11, 2007, 10:41 PM
Denfoote, sell that two room ranch in Arizona and come to Wayne county and buy a mansion. With the housing market flubbing, everything is up for sale on the cheap. High temp this summer, low 100's, but humid. Short winter this past one (one,maybe two good snows south of the snow belt), though this year could be worse. Ohio is where the sensible people live. :evil:

Really, it IS getting better here. The CCW law was fixed a good bit (some ways to go, still), Castle Doctrine has been introduced several times (but allowed to die in committee through delays), and most businesses respect the rights of the customer to conceal carry. Ohio is a swing state because we still have some people with common sense left. After Katrina, however, we got a surge in liberals, so we need some conservatives to keep balance in the Force.

Matt King
September 12, 2007, 07:22 PM
Mayor Frank Jackson has called for the Ohio General Assembly to pass a law banning anyone under the age of 21 from possessing a firearm.

Does anyone think this will go anywhere?

Browns Fan
September 13, 2007, 08:16 AM
You guys really need to leave my Browns alone!:p

Having gotten that out of the way; I have a "friend" who is a Cleveland TA cop who threatened to arrest me if I brought my AR15 there. Hard to tell if this guy is joking or not!:scrutiny:

Mannix
September 13, 2007, 08:23 AM
I'll guess I'll just get down to it and leave the ranting for later.

No enfranchised citizen should ever be seen differently in the eyes of the law based solely upon their race, religion, age, or gender.

I can vote, I pay taxes according to the same system, and I can be held accountable for my actions the same as anyone else, 18, or 81.

Deanimator
September 13, 2007, 08:48 AM
Don't want to get shot at? stay out of that "poor & startvin" rathole. Cleveland deserves Frank Jackson.

You must come from a very sheltered background.

I'm from Chicago. To me, Cleveland is Lake Woebegone.

ranger335v
September 13, 2007, 09:21 PM
Politicians, especially liberal ones, love to pass new laws almost as they love to raise taxes. Since it is already illegal for most youths to have firearms, illegal to fire in town, illegal to carry concealed, illegal to threaten with a weapon, illegal to shot anyone, they still want a new law to make them safer?

Why not just pass a law that says people cannot break existing laws, under penalty of law? That should satisfiy their lust for new law and would do just as much good as any other that dummy suggests.

ranger335v
September 13, 2007, 09:26 PM
Politicians, especially liberal ones, love to pass new laws almost as they love to raise taxes. Since it is already illegal for most youths to have firearms, illegal to fire in town, illegal to carry concealed, illegal to threaten with a weapon, illegal to shoot anyone, and they still want a new law to make them safer?

Why not satisfy that lust by passing new laws that say people cannot break the existing laws, under penalty of law? That should satisfiy them and would do just as much good as any other law those pandering dummies suggest.

ranger335v
September 13, 2007, 09:26 PM
Politicians, especially liberal ones, love to pass new laws almost as they love to raise taxes. Since it is already illegal for most youths to have firearms, illegal to fire in town, illegal to carry concealed, illegal to threaten with a weapon, illegal to shoot anyone, and they still want a new law to make them safer?

Why not satisfy that lust by passing new laws that say people cannot break the existing laws, under penalty of law? That should satisfiy them and would do just as much good as any other law those pandering dummies suggest.

ranger335v
September 13, 2007, 09:27 PM
Politicians, especially liberal ones, love to pass new laws almost as they love to raise taxes. Since it is already illegal for most youths to have firearms, illegal to fire in town, illegal to carry concealed, illegal to threaten with a weapon, illegal to shoot anyone, and they still want a new law to make them safer?

Why not satisfy that lust by passing new laws that say people cannot break the existing laws, under penalty of law? That should satisfiy them and would do just as much good as any other law those pandering dummies suggest.

Matt King
September 13, 2007, 09:37 PM
"This legislation will give the police another tool to do their job and give our citizens a stronger sense of security."

I guess as long as you feel secure.~:rolleyes:

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