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bogie
September 11, 2007, 01:39 AM
...you forget it's there...

Dang, I really like that little Kel-Tec... In the pocket, and it's lighter than my Leatherman...

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Invalid
September 11, 2007, 02:07 AM
I make it a point not to forget that it's there.

ShooterMcGavin
September 11, 2007, 02:41 AM
Kel-tec makes several guns. To which one are you referring?

JKimball
September 11, 2007, 03:10 AM
You know a gun's good for CCW when...

Every time you pull the trigger it goes BANG!

I've got a P3AT that goes bang approximately 5 out of 7 times. It's nice to carry, but sometimes I feel like I'll only be able to count on the first shot. I gotta get around to sending it back for their miracle touch up cure.

Although, I will say it has never had a problem with the hollowpoints I use. That's somewhat comforting.

bogie
September 11, 2007, 03:13 AM
Well, this is one of the tiny .380s, and has performed just fine so far...

I suggest that some folks need to consider the concept of a sense of humor.

The mousegun next to your keychain beats the heck out of the Deagle back home in the safe...

KBintheSLC
September 11, 2007, 04:56 PM
"The mousegun next to your keychain beats the heck out of the Deagle back home in the safe..."

Agreed... as long as it works when you pull the trigger. I had a Walther PPK/S... about 99% reliable. I traded it in for a G26 and I feel much better having that extra 1% = total reliability.

igpoobah
September 11, 2007, 05:04 PM
My Kel tec 32 goes bang every time. Just too bad the little turd is so hard to hold onto!

littlelefty
September 11, 2007, 08:10 PM
when it's with you.

Sounds kind of obvious but I'm surprised at how many folks with permits don't carry when they "just run dow to the whatever store". Wow! They must have a crystal ball because I can't tell from home that I'm not going to need my CCW. So far I haven't, but neither has my wife needed my life insurance policy:neener:

skinewmexico
September 11, 2007, 10:58 PM
P3AT is great.

BikerRN
September 12, 2007, 03:20 AM
I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but I don't consider myself "Armed" with just a "mousegun".

If the fecal matter ever hits the rotating thing you will discover what I'm talking about. I carry a 4" N-Frame Off-Duty and a J-Frame, both with a reload. I'm considering adding a 3" K-Frame to the mix, or a 2 1/2" N-Frame.

I've found that people that carry "mouseguns" really don't think they will ever have to use it. Once you are "dressed around the gun" to hide a full size handgun it's easy to add a BUG or two.

My test for any gun I carry is this question, "Would I be willing to shoot a week long Combat Course with this gun?" If the answer is no, then I don't carry it.

Enjoy your KelTec and stay safe.

Biker

romma
September 12, 2007, 09:34 AM
Enjoy your KelTec and stay safe

I will! :)

1911 guy
September 12, 2007, 09:42 AM
It fits your hand, you know the manual of arms in your sleep and it's chambered in a proven caliber.

If weight is an issue, get a better belt and holster.

Having said all that, my daily CCW is an all steel full size 1911 with at least one reload.

19-3Ben
September 12, 2007, 10:48 AM
When you are confident in it's ability as a self-defense tool.
You are confident in YOUR ability to use is as a self-defense tool.
You are prepared to use it as such as a last line of defense.

That's why my Ruger Sp101 loaded up with .357mag is a great CCW gun.

shooter58
September 12, 2007, 11:15 AM
I think we tend to forget the real lessons we were taught when going through our CCW training. We are not LEO's, nor or we avenging hero's set to engage the entire criminal world in an extended firefight. We are simply citizens who are carrying a weapon to enable us to get out of harm's way. I carried a larger, more powerful weapon when I was an LEO (10 years), but now I carry just enough to get me out of the path of the criminally bent individual. Most confrontations are settled without the use of firearms, and those that are not, are generally settled in a couple of seconds with the expenditure of a couple of rounds. From past experience, I can tell you that when it is pointed in your face, a .32 looks like a cannon! You would seldom be inclined to argue with it's holder.
I don't go into areas that are known bad areas if I can prevent it, and I don't go around looking for a situation that I, with my trusty sidearm can solve via intervention. Part of self defense is the awareness of one's surroundings and the ability to avoid unhealthy situations. I don't need a 15-shot 45 for 99% of my time. I guess I'll trade the remaining 1% for something a little more carryable...like a j-frame or a "little Kel-tec". Just my .02.

jwr_747
September 12, 2007, 03:51 PM
normally my S&W 3914 is my CCW,will CCW a Taurus 85 with WCC 125gr +P+'s.but sometimes that is to much "sticking out" so I'll CCW a Walther PP in 32ACP.it carries easy and hides great,but I don't wear it thinking I'm not gonna need it.my thinking is,first,don't intend to "firefight" a group of crack heads.so for the one on one,8 rounds of 32ACP JHP in the face/ head area will slow down the most pumped crack head. jwr

Rex B
September 12, 2007, 05:03 PM
Shooter58, I'll take a +1 on that. the average civilian that lives and works in a relatively quiet neighborhood has different defensive needs than someone who frequent rougher neighborhoods. And an LEO is expected to intervene in situations that civilians just need to get away from.
Some people need a baseball bat, others just need a prybar.

wadcutter45
September 12, 2007, 05:32 PM
Shooter58 wrote: "Part of self defense is the awareness of one's surroundings and the ability to avoid unhealthy situations."

Right on! As a CCW holder I am not an avenger or protector of all. Now that I carry regurlarly it has, if anything, made me more aware of surroundings and situations. Because this is a gun forum, we think of guns as solutions, and we forget they are but tools of last resort. Training the mind and our awareness is the key.

You know a gun's good for CCW when....it is the one you have with you...not the one in the drawer at home.

redneckrepairs
September 12, 2007, 05:52 PM
I carry a single stack 9 and a reload , allways . When i go to a metro area i put on another ( both are normaly kahrs a p9 and a pm9 ) . Its not so much that i am rambo, as that my wife who is also former LE , and who has a ccw of her own many times does not carry when she puts on " town clothes " . By carrying two ( which is no problem ) we are both armed, and she is still quite visualy appealing to me lol .

ShooterMcGavin
September 12, 2007, 06:11 PM
I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but I don't consider myself "Armed" with just a "mousegun".
About the definition of "mousegun"... Are they defined by the small caliber (i.e. below 9mm) OR is it purely a function of the size of the gun??

mavracer
September 12, 2007, 06:21 PM
I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but I don't consider myself "Armed" with just a "mousegun".
since I believe in wadcutter45 and shooter58 school of thought I consider myself armed without a gun.

1911 guy
September 12, 2007, 07:34 PM
While it is true that we as armed "just folks" should not and in most cases must not deliberately head for trouble, you're deluding yourself if you think waving around your self described "mousegun" is the answer to any conflict you might face. Genuine gunfight happen, just read the local papers to find out about one near you. Sure, getting out of harms' way is the goal, but sometimes harm keeps dogging you and you have to deal with it. I believe it was Clint Smith who said "a gun should be comforting, not comfortable". I see no logic whatsoever in going to a "mousegun" when I'm perfectly capable of concealing and using a full size, full caliber handgun.

Navy joe
September 12, 2007, 08:05 PM
I loved my P3AT when I had it. carried it with a clip in my waistband just left of my zipper, concealed even with the shirt tucked in, was very "forgetable." Like coming to work at a military installation, getting changed only to discover you forgot you were carrying. Ooops....

I moved to a J-frame for greater reliability even though the P3AT ran good. I didn't want to face the day when the little extractor crapped, or the recoil spring had enough, etc. Less to worry about with the 642. I love the Kel-tec though.

Mat, not doormat
September 13, 2007, 03:34 PM
Ok, I'll admit it, too. I carry a P32. *








* As a backup to my 1911.

If it's not good enough to want to shoot a combat match of some sort with, why would it be good enough to save my life with? Heck, even if it is "good enough," I still say give me any edge I can get. Good enough sucks when your a$$ is on the line.

~~~Mat

BikerRN
September 13, 2007, 04:02 PM
"About the definition of "mousegun"... Are they defined by the small caliber (i.e. below 9mm) OR is it purely a function of the size of the gun??"

Shooter,
I consider any caliber below 38 SPL/9MM to be a "mousegun" caliber, no matter the size of the weapon. As far as "mousegun" and weapon size, it's like pornography, I can't define it but I know it when I see it.
To me, the Kahr PM9 borders on "mousegun" and I own one. I try not to carry it, unless it's as a third gun.
Off-Duty I carry an N-Frame and a J-Frame with a reload for each gun. I'm considering adding another J-Frame to the mix without another reload, or an N-Frame Snubbie without a reload.

Biker

klover
September 14, 2007, 10:05 PM
sig 239, 229. or 226

scurtis_34471
September 15, 2007, 12:01 AM
I trust my Bersa Thunder .380 CC. It is accurate, reliable, comfortable to shoot and disappears in a pocket holster. I carry it from time to time when I cannot conceal something bigger. I'm not all that jazzed about .380, but I know I can place 9 shots accurately in very short period of time.

That said, I prefer to carry my XD-40 Service and do so most of the time.

Hardtarget
September 16, 2007, 12:24 AM
I'm still carrying a .45 and I don't mind the size or weight. Its a compact S&W , dao.and I carry it in an iwb...just no problem. I don't even own a mouse gun...unless the Colt Diamondback fits the definition.

Mark.

ArchAngelCD
September 16, 2007, 12:38 AM
I've got a P3AT that goes bang approximately 5 out of 7 times. It's nice to carry, but sometimes I feel like I'll only be able to count on the first shot. I gotta get around to sending it back for their miracle touch up cure.
JKimball,
If you are getting that many failures it's very uncommon for the P-3AT. You might want to look into different ammo. If that doesn't help maybe you are having a problem with the Mag. I have a P-32 and can't remember when I've had even 1 failure. (and I shoot at least 28 rounds through it a week) I carry either Fiocchi 60 gr SJHP or Winchester 60 gr Silvertips.

PX15
September 16, 2007, 12:21 PM
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_6811_01.jpg

FWIW:

When it is small enough to make 99.9% of your trips with you... When it WILL be 100% reliable, and so comfortable to carry concealed you forget it's there..

J. Pomeroy

MCgunner
September 16, 2007, 12:31 PM
I got a P11 that has gone bike every time for over 10K times. I'm thinking I'll get a P3AT real soon. They're just too handy not to get one. Caliber doesn't give me the warm fuzzies, but it'll perform self defense duties well, I believe. After all, it's a defensive weapon, not an offense weapon.

If yours doesn't go bang every time and you've not sent it to Kel Tec to fix or replace (one of the best customer service departments in the business), I figure you're just a helpless cry baby. JMHO, of course. All manufacturers from time to time will produce one that has a problem. At least Kel Tec WILL make it good and in a decent time frame. I mean, I'm just going on what I've read at KTOG and such, never had to send my P11 in for anything. I got it over a decade ago.

I'm still carrying a .45 and I don't mind the size or weight. Its a compact S&W , dao.and I carry it in an iwb...just no problem. I don't even own a mouse gun...unless the Colt Diamondback fits the definition.

Well, the P11 is quite easy to pocket and not a real mouse gun caliber, 9x19 +P. You wanna be a masochist, go right ahead. Heavy IWB carry is not in my category of things to do. I'm not an LEO and I just carry for self defense and I'm quite good with the little gun, better than a lot of guys with full sized 1911s last time I used it for IDPA shooting. To borrow a phrase from the Glock crowd and modify it a bit, self defense is between the ears. However, the hardware really is a personal choice. There is no set gun or carry method that works for everyone, something some folks, evey highly regarded and quoted gun writers seem to forget.

Killa14
September 17, 2007, 06:36 PM
I like my P3AT it is small enough to have and good enough to use

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