Bobcat or Cougar?


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Kman
September 11, 2007, 10:52 PM
Ok, Lets see what everybody thinks, these pics were taken by a trail cam this month, I'll tell ya where later.:evil:

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WuzYoungOnceToo
September 11, 2007, 11:09 PM
Easy. That's a cougar. Of course, if you've read the "Identify this snake" thread you already know that there's really only one kind of wild cat, for practical purposes ;)

MeekandMild
September 12, 2007, 12:03 AM
Looks like a bobbed tail to me but its about twice as long as in a real bobcat. I suppose a lion could lose part of its tail in any number of ways.

I don't see any really clear stripes nor other markings except on the back of the front legs and have never seen a bobcat which had so much uninterrupted fawn color. Usually a bobcat will have distinct stripes on the tail and lots of spots/stripes otherwise.

Ears look pretty round, not pointed nor tufted...so my vote is a lion. Whether American "mountain" lion or African lion is not sure; missing half the tail it would be hard to determine unless you knew where it was from.

22-rimfire
September 12, 2007, 12:23 AM
Appears to be a lion (cougar) to me based on the body shape and ears.

frankcostanza
September 12, 2007, 12:51 AM
looks like a cougar...no wait - bobcat...or maybe a fat whitetail with no neck?

gunmn74
September 12, 2007, 01:00 AM
Cougar

I am going by the body length and ears.

Tell me that it is in Kansas? People here keep spotting them
and we even had a jogger attacked by one a few weeks ago
and Fish and Game keeps saying it was a big Bobcat. I grew up
in Colorado and I know the diffrence and there are Cougars in
Kansas. Sitting in my Deer stand last year I heard one "scream"
and it made the hair on the back of my neck stand up.:eek:

Leanwolf
September 12, 2007, 01:41 AM
Young mountain lion.

L.W.

Arkie
September 12, 2007, 02:42 AM
In Arkansas we just call them Kitty cats. LOL.

I would go with cougar.

JP1954
September 12, 2007, 04:21 AM
Puma..........Mountain Lion............Cougar:D

islandphish
September 12, 2007, 05:06 AM
cougar, and there are definitely cougar in KS. I have personally seen one just 20 miles north of the KS line in SW NE.

salthouse
September 12, 2007, 08:48 AM
el chupacabra

.41 magnum man
September 12, 2007, 10:47 AM
I say cougar. The tail appears to be short, but it is actually curved. Hey, that is right at my favorite fishing hole!

kimbernut
September 12, 2007, 11:10 AM
Florida Panther

ID_shooting
September 12, 2007, 11:15 AM
yup, mountain lion...

Puma, cougar, whichever you prefer.

Bobcat, no, not a change

Art Eatman
September 12, 2007, 11:39 AM
More likely cougar than bobcat. I've not seen a bobcat without some amount of spotting. (As they age, they darken to brown and the spots are much less clear. This pictured critter is tawny.)

Art

boobap
September 12, 2007, 11:42 AM
perhaps a jaguar...:confused:

MCgunner
September 12, 2007, 11:46 AM
Agree with Art based on color. Probably an immature cougar. The short tail? Maybe he got caught in a combine or something? Just immature me thinks. Bobcat's are spotted, have tufted ears, and shorter tails than that. Bobcat in the wild are quite unmistakable in my experiences. Now, I've never spied a cougar in the wild, but seem to remember those white patches on the ears and tail of ones I've seen in captivity.

wolf_from_wv
September 12, 2007, 11:56 AM
[DNR/F&G mind trick] This is not the cougar you are looking for... It is a giant bobcat... Go about your way...

;)

Muzzy_B
September 12, 2007, 12:02 PM
I think it's a Liger, known for its skills in magic.:D

For those of you fortunate enough not to have watched Napolean Dynamite, I apologize.

MCgunner
September 12, 2007, 12:08 PM
Well, in this day in age of photochop, hell, you never really know what you're lookin' at.

Picknlittle
September 12, 2007, 12:36 PM
I'm going with young cougar. In the pic on the right, you can see more of the tail. It is partially obscured by leaves, but it turning up. I had to open it in another app to see it very well. Pretty fuzzy though.

If it isn't a cougar, it's prolly an antlerless bull sow. :)

xd45gaper
September 12, 2007, 01:37 PM
looks like a big bobcat to me, loook at his ears, they both are pointed and have white spots on them, also look at the hind legs spotted underbelly, classic of a bobcat

*edit, that is not a long tale in first picture, that is his HEAD look very closely, that is defently a big bobcat.
and secondly, if you look at the picture on the right, you can see his short tell it just blends in with his inner thighs, bobcats normally have a black/white tip on there little bob tail, if you look hard enough you can see it.

and bobcats can get that big i caught two toms around that size when i used to trap as a kid

JackOfAllTradesMasterAtNone
September 12, 2007, 02:55 PM
Looks to me like it's an immature Mountain Lion, (Cougar). It is difficult to say without a high resolution photo.

Now.. Is this an 'exotic' kitty? (no, not a dancer/stripper;) ) Not indiginous to North America?

While I'm not a wildlife biologist, I don't look at this as a Bobcat. Certainly not a mature Cougar with the spots still on the foreleg and tail. But I could be convinced that the foliage in those photos are not 'stateside' and that these photos are of a kitty a bit closer to the southern hemisphere?

I'll lean toward young Cougar though.

-Steve

BobMcG
September 12, 2007, 03:01 PM
I think I'd be looking for another trail-cam with better resolution. :p

JR1
September 12, 2007, 03:51 PM
Just a big bobcat. White on the ears, short tail (you can even see the white tip), good spotting on the inside of the legs. I've been around plenty of them and that is what a bobcat in the summer looks like.

john1911
September 12, 2007, 05:34 PM
I'm gonna say bobcat.

Triple S
September 12, 2007, 06:38 PM
BOBCAT..... I have seen many bobcats in South Texas that have very pronounced markings like the one on this ones legs and ears. The BC's here in FL do not have near the markings on the cats that I have seen out west.

rantingredneck
September 12, 2007, 06:49 PM
My vote is for bobcat. The pics make it look big, but there's really nothing defnitive to give the picture any scale. Those trees could be any size really as you only have a cat of unknown size to compare them to. Without something in the picture to give it scale it's hard to get a really clear read on the size of the animal in question. Looks can be deceiving :).

Given the short tail and spots where you see them I'll say his name is Bobby.

achildofthesky
September 12, 2007, 07:23 PM
These pix are of Puddin my Bobcat, about 35# + or - and she is 3 1/2 years old. I had to interrupt her squirrel dinner for the pix but she is pretty friendly so long as you don't try to take away food... The legs on the trail cam pix appear too long for a bobcat, note the distance belly to ground... Cool pix none the less.

Patty

Smokingboomstick
September 12, 2007, 09:28 PM
Nice bobcat, achildofthesky! There are cougars here in MO.

CSA 357
September 12, 2007, 10:06 PM
Red bone hound?:D

Kman
September 12, 2007, 10:36 PM
Redbone hound, well it is almost halloween. Local retired, DNR wildlife biologist says bobcat, white tufts on ears and not much tail. Color and size makes one want to argue. I really don't know, but I do know that the pics are from southern Ill. Regardless, it does make that lonely, dark, morning walk to the treestand just that much more spooky.:D If this guy is lucky enough to get more pics I'll send them along. In the meantime just imagine this big kitty in the tree next to you :eek:

Art Eatman
September 12, 2007, 11:14 PM
I don't profess to be the greatest at identifying stuff from photos, but that cat doesn't look like my bobcat, somehow. And I have a cougar hide draped over my couch...

See http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=45252&page=2, post #39.

:), Art

koja48
September 12, 2007, 11:20 PM
I gotta say young cougar . . . legs & body are too long for it to be a bobcat.

Double Naught Spy
September 12, 2007, 11:21 PM
I think some of y'all may be confusing the camera angle on the tail and hence thinking it is a bobcat. In the pic on the right, the tail looks to come down and then curve toward the camera, thereby shortening its appearance.

Triple S
September 12, 2007, 11:28 PM
Bobcats are bobcats, but their colors can vary from cat to cat. I have seen lightly colored cats to heavily marked with dark, features. Also, their coats are different at various times of the year, much like deer have summer and winter coats.

McCall911
September 12, 2007, 11:40 PM
Maybe it's my failing vision, but it looks like a canine to me. Like a mastiff or mastiff mix. My in-laws used to have a dog that color.

.41 magnum man
September 13, 2007, 12:52 AM
I guess I was half asleep when I looked at the photo this morning. After going back and checking it out again, I am going to retract my first statement, and say it is a bobcat. In the first picture I thought I was looking at the tail on the left end , but as xd45gaper pointed out, that is actually the head. The black on the back of the ears and the spots on the legs point to it being a bobcat. You can also see the short tail in the second picture. As a taxidermist I have mounted some pretty big bobcats and have seen several that are minimally spotted like this one is. Definately a bobcat.

xd45gaper
September 13, 2007, 01:02 AM
both the toms i caught where pretty "tall" compared to a "normal" (if such a thing exist's lol) bobcat, most pics you see they are fairly small/short like the one posted above. the toms can get pretty big from what ive seen. and the ones out west get pretty big from what i hear and are VERY spotted,

the pointed black ears with white spots and spotted underbelly/short tail are a dead give away.

i first thought it was an immature cougar this morning at first glance from the picture but the closer you look at it the more you can pick out the features of a bobcat. a big one at that lol

john1911
September 13, 2007, 08:40 AM
I really don't know, but I do know that the pics are from southern Ill

Can you say where in So. IL?

rantingredneck
September 13, 2007, 09:35 AM
Again, there's really nothing in that picture to give it any indication of scale whatsoever. Those trees look big, and make the cat look big by comparison, but it's an optical illusion. The only thing you can compare in the pic is overall body length relative to leg length. But there's nothing there of known size that you can relate the size of the cat to. In pics like these even the height of the camera relative to the ground can cause illusions like this. Lower to ground, bigger the animal looks. It also looks like this trail cam may be pointed uphill, which would exaggerate the effect. I still say bobcat and I'd be willing to bet it really isn't an unusually big specimen either.

Picknlittle
September 13, 2007, 11:10 AM
Import the pic at right into a photo editing program. Enlarge and sharpen. The tail is about half the length of the cat. The tail drops then curves upward toward the camera. It is also partially obscured by leaves.

Cougar.

JG2000
September 13, 2007, 04:14 PM
Could it be a Lynx? When i did a google search the pictures look very similar. Whatever it is be safe on the way to the stand this year.

alucard0822
September 13, 2007, 05:29 PM
young cougar, black tip on a long tail
not my cougar, but this pic might help:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=63892&stc=1&d=1189714817

this was my dad's cougar:D, probably won't help

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=63893&stc=1&d=1189714817

JayTee
September 13, 2007, 05:46 PM
I say cougar. Long body, long legs, long tail.

Blackfork
September 13, 2007, 05:53 PM
I get them on deercams in Smith County, Texas frequently.

WuzYoungOnceToo
September 13, 2007, 06:24 PM
The votes for "bobcat" are interesting, considering that the image really looks nothing like a bobcat. The proportions are all wrong (bobcats are much more compact), while matching those of a cougar perfectly. The apparent white spots on the backs of the ears are quite common on cougars.

The tail is too long for a bob, but right for a cougar. And what seem to be some spots along the backs of the legs? Also a trait of juvenile cougars.

If the choice is cougar or bobcat, it's a cougar.

Triple S
September 13, 2007, 06:51 PM
Probably only you single guys will get this, but...........What's the most dangerous animal in the world?...............













.........................A cougar with cubs!



:D

timmyb21
September 13, 2007, 07:03 PM
Mountain boblion. That's it. No question.

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