Taurus Quality


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newman
September 12, 2007, 04:12 PM
I'm looking for opinions on the quality of Taurus revolvers these days. In asking around at local shops they tell me that its about the same quality as a Ruger. Specifically, I am looking at the 617 with 2 inch barrell. I havent yet decided on blue or stainless.

I shot a firend's 22 cal Taurus(10 years old but not fired much) this weekend and it was sometimes difficult to get it to release the shells once fired(remmington ammo). Also, sometimes the hammer would stick when trying to pull it back. Is this common in a Taurus or is it just an older design that they have since improved.

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Majic
September 12, 2007, 04:18 PM
Taurus are quite good. In today's world it's a decent bargain. Your friend's revolver may just need a good cleaning.

Ala Dan
September 12, 2007, 04:21 PM
All I will say is that I sell a lot of 'em; whether or not they are are up to
industry standards is very subjective~! :eek::uhoh::rolleyes:

Cougfan2
September 12, 2007, 04:24 PM
Many years ago I worked for a firearms disti in KS. When the Taurus revolvers first started being imported they were junk. Really rough and a lot of tooling marks.

Several years hence, Taurus made a significant investment in CNC maching and manufacturing equipment. I would say the quality of their revolvers today is on a par with Ruger. I'll admit I don't own one, but some of my friends do and they seem very happy with them.

crebralfix
September 12, 2007, 04:50 PM
There is at least one gunsmith I know who won't work on them because their parts are not good.

http://www.grantcunningham.com/blog_files/no_taurus_work.html

jwr_747
September 12, 2007, 04:58 PM
I have two,a mod 85 and a 85CH,both about I think 15+ years old,lots of factory and hand loads thru them,along with my carry loads of WCC 125gr +P+ ammo.neither one has missed a lick since I bought them.they go BANG every time I pull the trigger. jwr

newman
September 12, 2007, 04:58 PM
Thanks for the replies. Keep them coming.

glockman19
September 12, 2007, 05:00 PM
I would spend the extra couple of dollars and get a Ruger or S&W.

Jim March
September 12, 2007, 05:07 PM
Just monitoring the complaints around here...I'd say they're the worst of the top three.

It *appears* that your odds of getting a good S&W right from the start are better than Ruger by a tiny margin, better than Taurus by a bigger margin.

Once "successfully in operation", it's Ruger that takes the lead in reliability, followed pretty closely by S&W, and then Taurus deep in 3rd place.

If a Ruger passes "the checkout" right at the get-go, odds are excellent you've got a good gun for life, and for a lot less than S&W. If Ruger makes what I need, that's generally where I go (in wheelguns, which is all I'm interested in).

The Taurus wheelguns that seem to give the most trouble are the ultra-lights and the Gaucho. I personally would not buy either. If you need a "cheap ultralight" of some sort, there are no good options period. S&W will charge through the nose, and most of the older designs (Colt Agent, S&W 12, etc) don't hold up and are still pricey. On a budget? Get a real steel gun and a fanny pack...and once you go to fanny pack-type carry or a real holster under a jacket, the SP101 or even GP100 comes into their own.

ZeSpectre
September 12, 2007, 05:21 PM
The "cliff notes" version of my history with Taurus firearms.

Taurus Gaucho SAA #1 - Light hammer strikes at random, Sold to buyer who knew the history.

Taurus Gaucho SAA #2 - Reliable as clockwork under the stress of cowboy action shooting.

Taurus Gaucho SAA #3 - Initially had in internal burr that caused slight issues. Deburred and it has been the same as SAA #2 ever since

Millennium Pro PT-140 - Has always functioned perfectly

PT-1911 - New gun, did a complete disassembly after purchase and found a boatload of metal filings and crap all over the internals. Cleaned it out and did a small deburring job on the grip safety and it has run like clockwork so far.


OTHERS I HAVE WORKED WITH BUT WEREN'T MY GUNS

Millennium Pro PT-145 - Friend's gun. Recoil spring somehow worked out the front of the slide. Taurus took FOREVER to return it. Gun functioned poorly thereafter

Tracker pistol - smooth as silk right out of the box, no issues.

Judge pistol - see above

PT-745 - also smooth as silk, no issues

Gaucho SAA - Reliable but developed trigger slap. Don't know if the owner sent it in for repairs or not.

The Fact - Taurus has QC issues and severe turnaround time issues on repairs
My Opinion - I still like Taurus guns and when you get good ones they are GREAT for the price.
My disclaimer - I can't recommend that you buy a Taurus as your only gun.

tinygnat219
September 12, 2007, 06:15 PM
I am Zespectre's friend with the Tauri problems.

I wouldn't trust their semi-automatics, but their revolvers seem pretty nice. Still, get a Ruger if you are going to carry a revolver. This is coming from a guy that has 4 Taurus and one Ruger and those that the Ze mentions above are mine (Gauchos). I also have a 94 (.22 Revolver) and the 905 (in 9MM).

Taurus has come a long way, but recently their customer service has gone WAY down hill.

MCgunner
September 12, 2007, 06:58 PM
I've got three excellent taurus revolvers, a M85 Ultra Lite that is accurate and has the slickest DA trigger I've felt out of the box on any revolver including my Smiths. And, I have two M66s, one older 3 inch and one newer 4". They are among the most accurate DA revolvers I've owned. I prefer Ruger's design strength, but Rugers I've owned, do own, don't shoot any better.

I don't know about the Gaucho. I'm not a cowboy type and prefer the strength and adjustable sights of my Blackhawks for field uses. That one M66 4" nickeled gun, though, I will NOT be selling that one. It's unreal accurate, fine DA and SA triggers, awesome 4" mid size .357 DA revolver. I like it a lot better than the old Security Six I had, softer shooting, just as light, and more accurate. It's a little more accurate than my old M19 with .38 wadcutter and just as slick. Plus, it has a ROUND forcing cone, no flat spot on the bottom. I've had a Smith crack there on that flat spot before.

I would check the gun over for timing, tightness, end play, etc before buying, but I do that with ANY revolver. I don't order guns. I wanna handle the weapon before any purchase and I don't care who the manufacturer is.

Don Lu
September 12, 2007, 09:05 PM
Own 2 Tauri. One semi auto and one revolver. Both have been flawless and the revolver has a better trigger than my Smith revolver. My not be typical but it is my truth.

TokyoShapiro
September 12, 2007, 09:54 PM
I have owned many types and brands of revolvers in the recent years. Taurus puts out a great quality product and at an unbeatable price. I highly recommend a Taurus revolver.

Gaucho Gringo
September 12, 2007, 10:38 PM
My Taurus Gaucho in .357 has been completely without problems. It has the best SA hammer and trigger pull of any gun I have ever shot. Anyone else that I have let shoot it likes it too. It is accurate too. I use it as my fun gun and is one of home SD weapons(the other is the 12 ga). I have read the Taurus horror stories but I personally have not experienced one.

wuchak
September 12, 2007, 10:53 PM
Titanium tracker 357 has been back 3 times for the same problem. $35 shipping each time.Average return time from taurus was 9 weeks. I won't be buying any more of Taurus' products. I'll stick with Ruger or S&W, in that order.

MrTuffPaws
September 12, 2007, 11:11 PM
I own a 627. A few years old. Fit and finish excellent. A couple of 1000 rounds though it. Mostly hot 357 and a few hundred 38s. Not a problem.

It is my bed side gun.

I also have a MilPro PT145 auto. Never had a problem with that one either.

Mantua
September 13, 2007, 02:30 AM
I've got a Taurus 85 that I love. It's 10+ years old, about 10k rounds through it. The only problem I've had is the cylinder release coming off after a long range session. All parts are original, and she's never seen a 'smith.
I believe that Taurus puts out more lemons than the others, but a good gun is a good gun. If you can't afford a $700 NIB revolver, go with a Taurus. Just don't be surprised if you have to return it for repairs.

Jim Reaves
September 13, 2007, 09:36 AM
I have two Taurus Trackers that are outstanding. I use them in handgun classes and they normally have between 500 to a 1000 rounds fired each class. Easy to clean, no problems in past two years.

Glockensig
September 13, 2007, 10:18 AM
I have two Taurus 669's - zero problems. And I have a 851 ( concealed hammer version of 85 ) - WOW! Great double and single action trigger pull, accurate and reliable!!

scbair
September 13, 2007, 12:30 PM
Had a Taurus 431 (stainless .44 snub); fast double-action work would result in cylinder lock-up after 2-3 rounds (by "fast," I mean a quick, smooth stroke, allowing good hits at 20-25 yards, NOT a slap-the-trigger noisemaking style :D). Traded it to a dealer, after warning him of the matter.

Still have a m94 (4 " stainless 9-shot .22 LR); no complaints; decent (but heavy) trigger; decent plinking/varmint accuracy; 100% reliability.

For a "serious purpose" revolver, I'd go with Ruger. I've owned 5 (still own 4, and never shoulda traded off the ol' Single Six :(), and have never had a single issue with any of them.

Or, get a good used S&W. I've lost track of the pre-lock S&Ws I've owned, been issued, borrowed, etc., and they all worked flawlessly.

Jim March
September 13, 2007, 06:33 PM
Look at the pattern right in this thread: owners of Taurus ultralights are complaining more often than owners of blue or stainless Taurii.

I've been watching that happen for years.

rcellis
September 13, 2007, 06:43 PM
My statistical sample of 1 85UL has been flawless. But you may be right about the light-weight being a factor.

smee781
September 13, 2007, 07:08 PM
I've have 3 little wheel taurus's 2 Titanium 38's and one Steel 9mm and have had to send all three back to the factory for repair.:mad: Now I am waiting for the last two to arrive back (one 38 and one 9mm) from taurus and then I an going to sell them and get a good Ruger or Smith. The last Episode was when my wife,brother in law and I were at the range and after about 20 rounds my wife flipped the cylinder out to do a reload and the cylinder and crane fell on the bench. This was her home protection gun with c/t lazer grips and now I don't trust it and never will again! I was a fan of their guns but now after all this I will not own another.:cuss:

JLStorm
September 13, 2007, 07:11 PM
I had a number of issues with them and will never buy them again. If it was for a gun that was just a range toy, it wouldnt be a big deal, but every gun I own I either carry or hunt with and from my own personal experience Taurus isnt worth the risk of failure.

birddog
September 13, 2007, 07:16 PM
I have a snubbie .357 (Taurus 651B) which has become one of my top two CCW weapons. I also have a M-44 .44mag revolver which has been put through hell and back while deer hunting (and got me my biggest buck ever). Both have been used, abused, and are two of the favorite handguns I own. They've been flawless and they are NO safe-queens. Hundreds of rounds through the snubbie, thousands through the M-44. No glitches of any kind and the blueing has held up admirably, too.

Seancass
September 13, 2007, 08:43 PM
looks like i wont be buying a taurus snub, but that Tracker 357 is screaming at me every day.

P. Plainsman
September 13, 2007, 09:34 PM
I have a stainless 85UL Ultra-Lite. 300 rounds to date with no hassles. It's a solid gun with a rather decent DA trigger -- better than on current S&W J-frames. It carries discreetly in a pocket holster. It likes the Remington lead SWC +P hollowpoint carry load that I prefer.

Not perfect, though. The rear sight trough is cut slightly crooked, yielding a sight picture that I had to get used to.

Taurus snubbies can be a good choice, but check them out carefully. Do the THR revolver checkout, and add an overall "fit and finish" check to the procedure.

I have little experience with other Taurus revolvers. I wish I could find an unported 445 (compact 5-shot .44 Special) like they made a few years ago.

hankdatank1362
September 13, 2007, 09:39 PM
I own an M85 stainless in .38 special and a 24/7 Pro in 9mm (autochucker, obviousley).

Both have proven to be 100% reliable. They're the only two firearms I own (blot actions and shotguns excluded) that I can say that about.

The 85's trigger is like butter. Better than butter. Silk. A supermodel wrapped in silk. That's the trigger. Maybe I just got lucky.

(BTW, the 24/7's SA trigger with restrike BLOWS in my opinion, so I wouldn't be afraid to tell you if there was a problem with the M85.)

P. Plainsman
September 13, 2007, 09:54 PM
DA trigger quality is -- on average -- a valid selling point for Taurus snubbies over S&Ws. (My Taurus 85UL has a gorgeous single action trigger; I forgot to mention that. Again, it is better than on any recent S&W snub J I've tried. A light, crisp SA trigger is not essential for a carry snubby, but nice.)

Wish S&W would do something to improve the pulls on all those 642s and 637s. Still, they sell.

MCgunner
September 13, 2007, 10:03 PM
The 85's trigger is like butter. Better than butter. Silk. A supermodel wrapped in silk. That's the trigger. Maybe I just got lucky.

Ain't luck. Mine's fantastic, too. Mine's an ultra lite, by the way. I've had it around 10 years now, fired probably 5-6K rounds through it. It's still going strong. I carry and rely on it for self defense.

bluetopper
September 13, 2007, 10:55 PM
I have a model 905, 9mm revolver. It's built on the same frame and I'm sure has the same internals as a model 85, and it's got the sweetest factory trigger I've ever pulled on a wheelgun.:)

I also have two model 455 Trackers 6" & 2" and I couldn't ask for better performance they have given me.

Gator
September 13, 2007, 11:03 PM
I recently bought my first Taurus....its at the gunsmith's getting fixed :fire:
It looks nice and shoots fine, but getting the fired cases out requires a mallet!

weregunner
September 14, 2007, 12:54 AM
Have 4 Taurus revolvers. Models 65,66,85CH, and a newer 94.

The first three are now 2 decades old and are running smoothly.Cylinder lockups are tight, no cylinder play,no end shake, cylinder gap is still as small as it ever was. Fit and function are still very good. Thousands of .38 Special and .357 magnum rounds have gone down range with no reduction in accuracy.
At the Taurus forum there are many revolver aficianados who will back this up with similar experience. For that matter there has been at this forum and TFL forum as well.

LAK Supply
September 14, 2007, 01:22 AM
I bought a Tracker 4" 357 for my parents a while back.... they don't shoot much and wouldn't buy anything other than the .22 they already have if I didn't do it for them. I figured they need at least a SHTF gun that's a little more potent than a .22 so the search began.....

After looking around at a lot of guns I settled on the Taurus. It needed to be simple (revolver) so my mom could use it easily and not have to worry about a clearing a jam or dealing with a hard primer or anything like that. It also needed to be relatively light so she could handle it well. Had to fit her hands as well as my dad's....

Tracker:

4" and factory porting - light weight for easy handling along with a ported barrel so the recoil isn't bad. I figured that if weight was a factor a longer barrel (less rise with the weight) was out of the question. The factory porting solved this.

7 round capacity.

Relatively inexpensive since it will likely sit in the dresser drawer unless something out of the ordinary happens.... except for the very occasional trip to the range.

All of the versatility of 38 and 357.... along with ammo availability.

Action is good with a crisp clean trigger.

Size is appropriate for both parents (5' 110 lb mother and 6' 190 lb father)...... grip fits both of their hands well. Probably the biggest problem I encountered while shopping.... finding a 357 that wasn't too heavy, didn't kick too much, and fit both people was a chore.

Based on these requirements I got the the M627 Tracker. It's been a good gun thus far, and apart from it not being especially accurate (it is a 4" though...) it seems to fit the bill. I stayed away from anything in the light-weight series and anything larger than the Tracker .44 because I've heard the function is hit and miss....

Just my $.02..

newman
September 14, 2007, 02:13 AM
Thanks everyone. I really appreciate all the replies. I think I'll play it safe and go with a GP100... probably the GP141.

10-Ring
September 14, 2007, 02:43 AM
I've owned 2 Tauri, sold one and have kept my 22 wheelgun. It is the last Taurus anything that I own...I'm just not sold on their quality

weregunner
September 14, 2007, 01:31 PM
There are Ruger GP100 owners at the Taurus forum. Ruger and Taurus seem to go hand in hand. One of the longer threads is about who has Ruger products.:what::)

Can't go wrong either way.:)

Master Blaster
September 14, 2007, 02:20 PM
I have seen the Gunsmith wont work on them her is why in a couple taurus threads now:

Here is what he actually says about them:

Why I don't work on Taurus revolvers
Monday, July 03, 2006 Filed in: Revolvers, Gunsmithing, Personal opinions

Occasionally someone will call or email: "I'm looking for a good gunsmith - do you work on Taurus revolvers?" When I politely inform the person that I do not, the result is often indignance, as if to say "how dare you decline to work on my fine possession! You have insulted me, suh!" (Delivered in the best antebellum manner, of course.)

Taurus revolvers possess many positive traits: they're available in a wide variety of calibers and configurations, they are usually fairly reliable, and they are priced right. Unfortunately, it's that last bit that gets me into trouble.

You see, the most expensive part of building a handgun, particularly a revolver, is the finishing work. You can't automate the polishing process, and Taurus revolvers are generally very well polished and finished. Given their low price point, this means that finishing is a large percentage of the purchase price. This means that they have to skimp somewhere, and the place that they do is in parts fitting.

Taurus guns have parts that simply do not fit as tightly - as precisely - as some other manufacturers. Yes, you can do a shadetree action job, maybe swap springs, and improve the action - but it will never be truly 'great' without rebuilding the gun.

I've purchased a couple of Taurus revolvers (Taurii??) to work on, to evaluate. While I like the guns (the now-discontinued model 445 is really neat, and I carry it occasionally) the effort to put a truly world-class action job on one results in huge labor costs.
Look at it this way: if you want a top-end wheelgun you have to pay for fitting parts at some point. With a Taurus, it doesn't happen at the time of purchase; it can only occur in the gunsmith's hands, which drives the cost up considerably. Like the folks who commissioned custom Norinco 1911s about a decade ago, what you end up with is a really expensive $300 gun that no one wants to buy.

I'd rather spend my time working on revolvers that will actually see an increase in value after quality work has been done, and I suspect their owners are the same way. That just won't happen with a Taurus, because after all is said and done it'll still just be a Taurus.

-=[ Grant ]=-

righteousbarbarian
September 14, 2007, 02:48 PM
I have a taurus 617 and i love it. i had to tighten the screw that holds the cylinder release on, but besides that i've had zero technical problems with it. my only complaint is the 10 lb trigger when I use it in DA. i might get that worked on, but then again maybe not because it is my carry gun and i like that it only goes off when i want it to.

Gator
September 14, 2007, 02:50 PM
Ruger and Taurus seem to go hand in hand.

Blasphemy!!! :what:

GRIZ22
September 14, 2007, 06:06 PM
I own 5 Taurus handguns made between 1988 and 2006. They all have been shot a lot (my PT 99 wins the prize at well over 10,000 rds). The only problems I've had are the rear sight screw loosened on my 669 came off when banging off magums (I should have noticed this it has happened to me with S&Ws) and the leaf on the PT99 sight broke. Both of these events happened when the guns were over 10 years old. Both were fixed by Taurus with about a 2 week turnaround.

I would never buy any gun that "needs work on it" when new.

There are many people who's opinion I value say Taurus is junk. You can't prove this by me. I would not hesitate to buy a Taurus if they had something I wanted.

If this durability isn't good enough go Ruger (I have few of those too).

Thor Bloodax
September 14, 2007, 06:37 PM
Shot thousands of rounds through my blue PT92 AF. Trustworthy. Accurate. Dependable. One of my carry guns.

Old Tom

Rotorflyr
September 14, 2007, 07:16 PM
There are three Tauri in my family,

My Stainless 627 Tracker .357 (bought used) 500rds or so mixed .357 & .38spl, .38spl +p by me (unknown # by previous owner/s)

My Stainless 651 Protector .357 (bought used) round count same as above

Mrs.Flyrs early model PT111 (bought new), about 400-500rds thru it

The revolver triggers were smooth as silk in both DA and SA (better then the comprable new & used S&W's I looked at when I was wheelie shopping)
The DAO trigger on the PT111 is ok, a little on the heavy side but I've shot worse. All three are accurate.

Zero problems with any of them

I wouldn't hesitate to buy another Taurus auto or wheel gun if the mood struck me, and there are a few for sure on my "waiting list"

michiganfan
September 14, 2007, 07:27 PM
My Tracker 44 had to go back to Taurus but it came back to me "born again" and 100 per cent.

tgfang
September 14, 2007, 07:48 PM
I'll flog the deceased horse a little as well.

I have had five Taurus revolvers. Four were purchased new; two of those had problems. The other two new ones and the used revolver worked well. The 905 that I owned had a nice trigger and very nice finish.

Tom

zeke
September 15, 2007, 09:01 AM
A number of years ago won a Taurus 608( ? ) 357 with 8 round cylinder and 6 in barrel. fairly decent trigger pull and pretty accurate, but the barrel (front site) wasn't properly aligned and had to crank the rear site way over. Ended up trading it in.

A high polished stainless DA only Taurus 445 sat at a local sportin goods store for about 2 years. Often considered buying it, because a 2 in 44 special is very tempting. Just couldn't wrap my eyes around the "high polish". However our range had a family range day 2 weeks ago and a guy showed up with the mentioned 445. He couldn't hit squat with it, but let me try it. Did quite well with it at 15 yards, and offered to buy it from him. Several days later he stopped buy and sold it to me.

Have shot it several time since, decent revolver for the price, and it hasn't fallen apart. Took it apart yesterday and rounded over the the sharp trigger edges, then polished the trigger. It would take some effort to really tune the trigger. It would appear to make a very adequate 44 special "belly" gun, but loses some velocity from that 2 in barrel.

Only bought this Taurus , because had the opportunity to try it first. Was at another local shop last week, and inquired about the 2 Taurus 38 sbnubs he had for sale. Turns out both of them had been back to Taurus for "fixin".

Glockman17366
September 15, 2007, 11:01 AM
I've had a number of Taurus revolvers over the years. I had problems with two (669 broke, cylinder rotated freely, Model 85 had a light strike problem).

I still own two (including the 85 that had the light strike problem...fixed by Taurus). I wish I had kept at least one (of the 3) stainless model 85's I had owned to complement my 85 Ultralight (aluminum frame, titanium cylinder and barrel shroud). Those little stainless 85's are fine guns, but are a bit heavy for pocket carry (which is how I carry my snubby).

I also own a 627 Tracker in stainless. This is one of the finest revolvers I have ever shot.

The revolvers I sold were to finance my next purchase which have also been Taurus revolvers.

All I can say is, they work fine. They're not, IMHO, "collectables". But for a working gun, you can't beat them.

Bo
September 15, 2007, 11:18 AM
Got a 650 SS, hasn't missed a lick yet. Great little gun. Usually carry my XD 45 or HK 45c but the Taurus fits in there now and then.

New_geezer
September 15, 2007, 01:19 PM
There is at least one gunsmith I know who won't work on them because their parts are not good.

http://www.grantcunningham.com/blog_...urus_work.html

Every time there's a thread about Taurus quality, someone will drag this link out thinking it slams shut the case against Taurus. Trouble is they don't really read what's being said.

Taurus is a good value in a revolver the same way a Corolla is a good value in cars. They are what they are and it isn't worth the money to try and upgrade them into something else because in the end they are still a Taurus or a Corolla. On the other hand for the money spent they are a good value and will give long service just as they are.

I own a Rossi 357, Rossi is owned by Taurus and is another brand that often gets slammed. This Rossi is not as heavy as my S&W mod 10, the DA trigger not as smooth. But it has been an accurate, trouble-free revolver I have no reservations depending on or recommending.

If you want a super-precise, custom gun, save up so you can spend the money and buy one. If you need a basic reliable gun Taurus or Rossi are good values.

JP from Phoenix
September 15, 2007, 08:21 PM
I actually hear more posititive things about Taurus Autoloaders than their revolvers. When i was on my hunt to get myfirst gun It was between the Tracker 627 and the Ruger GP-100, I finally found a shop that carried both and went with the GP not that i didnt like the tracker I just liked the a Ruger more. I still might get a PT92 as my first Semi Auto, havnt decided yet.

craig_o
September 15, 2007, 08:38 PM
I will never buy Taurus at any price.

I've heard more Taurus-related horror-stories than I care to share, but suffice to say that the QC is either hit or miss BIG TIME and the customer service is far worse than anything you'd get at the DMW (guns being returned with parts missing would be a prime example). I wouldn't let anyone in my family carry it, I wouldn't advise my neighbor to carry it, and (as your can see) I urge complete strangers not to buy Tauri.

Search around the 'net if you like, and I believe you'll find that Taurus is a RISKY proposition any way you slice it.

And to re-emphasize another point made earlier in the post:

"The last Episode was when my wife,brother in law and I were at the range and after about 20 rounds my wife flipped the cylinder out to do a reload and the cylinder and crane fell on the bench."

Some Tauri are duds, some are ticking time bombs and some are JUST FINE. If I bought one (which, again, I never will) I wouldn't rest easy at all because I wouldn't know which of the three I had... which goes double for why I'd never allow a loved one to carry a Taurus.

Any gun can jam, any manufacturer can produce a lemon on the rare occasion and any gun can be rough out of the box. With Taurus (as directly opposed to Ruger and Smith), I believe the odds of an immediate or not-so-far-down-the-road problem of a serious or catastrophic magnitude are quite high comparatively and that the extremely poor customer service doesn't do anything even approaching marginally acceptable to support their questionable product.

You won't regret NOT buying a Taurus.

righteousbarbarian
September 15, 2007, 08:46 PM
I have a taurus 617 and i love it. i had to tighten the screw that holds the cylinder release on, but besides that i've had zero technical problems with it. my only complaint is the 10 lb trigger when I use it in DA. i might get that worked on, but then again maybe not because it is my carry gun and i like that it only goes off when i want it to.

ironically a couple days after saying this i'm having a problem. i was just showing my gun to a friend and the cylinder came off. we weren't firing the gun or being rough with it, so I don't know why it happened. Sadly, I think a tiny spring was lost during the whole ordeal. Now i need to figure out how to send the gun back to Taurus for repairs.

zeke
September 16, 2007, 09:03 AM
Well, an update on the 445. The firing pin spring does not stand up to dry firing (maybe 200 times?). Wasn't using snap caps, as figured it was a frame mounted firing pin. The firing pin spring is a mighty weak looking affair. Will order another, or two.

Anyone else have this happen?

Otherwise the 445 is pretty accurate for what it is. What it isn't is a fast reloader.

Jamie C.
September 16, 2007, 09:19 AM
I must be long-overdue to get a bad Taurus, 'cause after almost 20 years of buying and shooting the things I've never really gotten a bad one.

Well, except for their .22 revolvers. Those just suck, and I have to attribute it to poor design more than bad workmanship. Even for that, mine wasn't all that bad, except for the heavy trigger that you couldn't lighten without having light primer strikes/failures to fire.

As for internet horror stories... what do you expect? It's the internet, and far too many people like to rain on other people's parade. *shrug*

My best suggestion is buy a Taurus and see for yourself. If you like it, try another. If not, buy something else next time. It's the only way you'll know for sure whether they suit you or not.


J.C.

Glockman17366
September 16, 2007, 12:55 PM
"You won't regret NOT buying a Taurus"

Craig_O, have you ever purchased or owned a Taurus? Ever fired one?
Or, are you basing your opinion on what you read?

I really don't think you have a clue about Taurus guns...not a clue.

weregunner
September 16, 2007, 09:56 PM
Glockman, that's the story of most of these as well as a few made up one's mixed in here, but won't go into detail here.

Revolvers are slow to reload by nature. There are speedloaders,even for the 5 shot .44 Special revolvers. Even for the 7 shooters.

445s ,617s, and 817s sold like hotcakes at a pancake house around here .Those dozens of owners in this area haven't seen the problems attributed to them nor have any gone back. Not even the more than 12 shops around here have sent anything back,refund anything, nor did they send stuff back to the factory.

The get togethers for discussions,well attended, at the local gun stores have been positive about all this.

thebaldguy
September 17, 2007, 09:39 PM
I got a barely used Model 85 several years ago; the fit and finish are very nice, and it shoots well. I know several people who have Taurus products who are happy with them.

I would buy another Taurus product.

PRazz
September 18, 2007, 02:32 AM
I would buy another, but then I read threads like this and all the bad reviews stay in the back of my mind. My PT145 and 85UL have both had uneventful lives. No problems to report here and I carry them the most. But I think I'm going to cash my chips and get out while it's still good. They'll still get range time but not so much for carry. I'm looking for simplicity in design and function, and breaking down a PT145 and looking at all the little parts(especially in the slide) does not sit well with me anymore. So many little exposed springs and parts, somethings going to break sooner than later and I'd rather not depend on them as my main carry anymore. Probably going to go with S&W and(though I hate to say it...gulp) a Glock. There I said it, and feel much better now.

mgh
September 18, 2007, 06:59 AM
At one time or another I had three Taurus revolvers, all in .38 Special. Every one of them had serious problems with the cylinder locking up. I don't know why I bought the second and third ones, I must have been optimistic.

I've also known people who had good luck with them. I think craig_o put it pretty well:

"Any gun can jam, any manufacturer can produce a lemon on the rare occasion and any gun can be rough out of the box. With Taurus (as directly opposed to Ruger and Smith), I believe the odds of an immediate or not-so-far-down-the-road problem of a serious or catastrophic magnitude are quite high comparatively and that the extremely poor customer service doesn't do anything even approaching marginally acceptable to support their questionable product."

There are too many alternatives out there, new and used, to bother with the Taurus.

Citroen
September 18, 2007, 09:27 AM
I daily carry a Model 455 (2 inch) and obviously I like it and find it reliable. In fact, I wish that I had bought a 4 inch version when they were still available. At the time I was short of the extra dollars so I did not do so. Now I can't find a NOB one which I regret.

My desire for the 4 inch is so that I can have the barrel cut to 2.5 inches for carry, have the adjustable sights which I prefer and eliminate the useless "porting" holes which only serve to dirty the front sight.

Opinions about Taurus quality and service vary widely as you have seen. I have not had any problems with either but then the only "service" they have done for me is sell me some additional moon clips and a smaller grip (I did not care for the fuzzy factory grip. It took a while to receive the moons but I knew that when I ordered as they told me they were on backorder.

Obviously I would buy another Taurus.

John
Charlotte, NC

Beatnik
September 18, 2007, 10:04 AM
Taurus is a good value in a revolver the same way a Corolla is a good value in cars.

I just bought a GP141 this summer because the general consensus is that it's a diamond in the rough - there are little things you can do (dry fire thousands of times, replace hammer springs, etc) to make it an excellent handgun.

Given the corolla post, and the gunsmith post, it sounds like there's not much you can do to a Taurus - you're stuck with what you bought. Is that really the case? It seems like if you buy a Ruger, you're going to run into known quality issues, mainly dealing with spring weights and the trigger needing extra polish, but if you buy a Taurus, it's really just a crap shoot and you can't do anything about it if you roll snake eyes.

Does that sum it up?

There are too many alternatives out there, new and used, to bother with the Taurus.

Well then - who else is making a 45LC/410 shot shell revolver?
And lest we forget, they're the only major revolver manufacturer out there who hasn't made horrible political decisions (that I know of).

highfive
September 18, 2007, 11:18 AM
I have 2 taurus revolver and 2 pistols they all work fine.....haven't had any problems yet. I actually carry my Taurus 627 90% of the time and I love it...

MCgunner
September 18, 2007, 11:34 AM
Given the corolla post, and the gunsmith post, it sounds like there's not much you can do to a Taurus - you're stuck with what you bought. Is that really the case? It seems like if you buy a Ruger, you're going to run into known quality issues, mainly dealing with spring weights and the trigger needing extra polish, but if you buy a Taurus, it's really just a crap shoot and you can't do anything about it if you roll snake eyes.

Does anyone ever bother to pick up a revolver and check it out before purchase, work it through to check timing, check end play, etc? Or, do you just walk in, look at a gun, point to it and put your cash on the counter? If I check the gun out, it times well, is tight, I will consider the purchase. Most of the guns I buy anymore are used. My 4" M66 Taurus was one of my better purchases, perfect timing, tight, no play, looked as if it'd maybe fired a box of .38 or something. Was $197 at a gun show. I bought it and it's proved to be the most accurate DA 4" .357 K frame sized gun I've ever owned. I like K frames, but Smith and Wesson M19s start at about 400 bucks and besides, I had one and it wasn't as accurate or as nice a gun IMHO as my Taurus. The trigger was as good, but I like the Taurus in that the frame is a little bigger and the gun seems a little stronger. It's no Ruger, but it doesn't have that stinkin' flat spot on the bottom of the forcing cone. I had that crack once on a M10 and had to rebarrel it. Putting hot .357 though that design CAN'T be any easier on the forcing cone. It has been a problem with Smith K frames in the past. I had a Security Six once. Felt recoil with that thing was much worse than the Taurus and it just flat didn't like .38 fired in it, no better than 3-4" groups at 25 yards with Remington hollow base wadcutter loads, not real good. My Taurus will put those into an inch all day long and twice on Sunday.

Frankly, the out of the box trigger on that M66 is hand over fist better than any Ruger DA. Yeah, I did a home trigger job on my Security Six and it was sweet after that, but it was also necessary. The Taurus is good enough that it doesn't NEED a trigger job. It's every bit as smooth and light as my M10 that's an early sixties gun and has had plenty of cycles of the trigger. And, that M10 is as nice as my M19 was, so extrapolating, I'd say my M66 is as good as my M19 was. Now, I CHECKED that gun out before I bought it. I didn't just walk up and lay the money down. Had the guy refused to let me handle the gun, I'd have walked on to another table. There wasn't much at that show worth what they were askin', so I'd probably not have bought anything. K frame .357s down here start at about 400 if not worn out and work their way up. I can buy a NEW RUGER for not much more'n THAT! If I'm going to buy a more expensive revolver, it'll be a Ruger. However, Ruger doesn't have the variety in their line that Taurus does. If you want a Smith, you can find an equivalent Taurus for many dollars less and in some cases, I've found the out of the box quality better, such as the trigger in my M85UL. I have owned or felt no sweeter out of the box trigger except maybe an old room mate's Colt Python. That thing was pretty sweet, but it was 800 bucks in 1978 dollars! It SHOULD be sweet.

Sonora Rebel
September 18, 2007, 12:34 PM
I don't own... or have ever owned a Taurus (yet) but I'm about to buy the .45LC/.410 'Judge'... as a carry weapon. I presently carry an S-A 1911-A1 parkerized, no frills, fixed sights 'shooter'. As such... I do not intend to 'engage' at 25 yards or even 15 yards. I carry for point defense (mine) 'n not for punchin' nicely grouped holes in paper. I figure 3 .36 cal lead balls in the air at once is a good 'point defense' idea. I don't carry concealed... 'Don't have to... and I wouldn't have anywhere to conceal it anyway. 'Not that I'd be able to 'get at it' w/o some clothes yankin' fancy dance preliminaries. I must be a rarity... 'cause I'm not interested in asthetics. I'm more concerned with function as a tool and what fits my hand. 'Never thought of weapons (any) as a fashion accessory. They're weapons... 'That's their purpose. I'm readin' this stuff about 'cylinders' falling out... 'Sorry... mechanical devices do not just 'disassemble' unless somebody took 'em apart 'n reassembled them incorrectly. A round downrange is divorced from what the device that fired it looks like. It is the round that does the 'work'... not the device that fired it. Realistically... self defense is the original 'point and click' interface. Not much precision about that. (You don't have time...) I use the largest calibre round I can shoot with one hand more than once in rapid succession. .45LC and .45acp are managable. They will stop, if not outright kill any human target... usually. If I can purchase a reliable weapon that handles the same calibre with reasonable accuracy much cheaper than some fancy gee-whiz gadget that does the same thing... with a higher price tag... It's a no brainer.

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