From what I've been reading, I'd rather have the Remington Spartan. Might be fugly, but it's tough as nails.
September 13, 2007, 05:27 PM
Many people have had firing pins break, among other mechanical issues, within the first couple thousand rounds (not much, in a shotgun).
However, word is that Mossberg went to Huglu (who makes the guns in Turkey) and set things aright. Or arighter than the were, anyway.:)
I can't confirm this, since people I know have stopped buying them due to the problems others had in the past. I don't know anyone who has bought a recent one, though I've known a few people who bought them a couple years ago. All had problems, AFAIK, and grudgingly went and bought more expensive guns after that.:)
It might be interesting to contact and ask Mossberg what they've done about the issues. It was not in Mossberg's financial interest to keep getting warranty returns (they did make good and fixed or replaced the guns, BTW). Presumably, they would have fixed the obvious and recurring problems, or the guns would not bring them a net profit.
September 13, 2007, 05:47 PM
Just called Mossberg and they said that an upgrade has been do to help resolve the firing pin issue. Said the new ones should be fine......
September 13, 2007, 06:43 PM
Thanks for the update!
The guns are well-balanced and fit me, they have some nice touches like good checkering and a hard heel insert in the buttpad for no-snag mounting. They shoot well.
If they've gotten the bugs out, they are a pretty attractive option, IMO.
Smitty in CT
September 13, 2007, 11:13 PM
.. Just called Mossberg and they said that an upgrade has been do to help resolve the firing pin issue. Said the new ones should be fine......
Did they say how to tell an "old" one from a "new" (post-upgrade) one???
I really want one of the 20GA/28GA multi-barrel combo sets, BUT, I don't want to get one of the "old" ones... I've tried all of my sources and nobody will say, short of taking them apart, how to tell if it's been upgraded.
They should at least give us a serial # break point....
September 14, 2007, 01:04 AM
I had a Mossberg and it broke 3 times. At one point the safety selector switch even flew off of the gun. The last time it broke was after it had been returned for service once to Mossberg. I then bought a CZ Redhead and could not be happier. For just a little more money ~150-200 dollars I would buy a CZ. The CZ shotguns are made by Huglu in Turkey, but the fit and finish of the guns is night and day better than the Mossbergs.
September 14, 2007, 12:33 PM
I'm sorry. Not Huglu. Khan. Khan makes Mossbergs. Brain fart on my part.
Huglu makes CZs.
September 14, 2007, 12:35 PM
Right there with you Smitty. I was wondering, too.
That's why people keep buying Citoris. You pay your money, you get a good gun. Case closed.
(Not that I wouldn't rather have a Superposed...)
September 14, 2007, 12:54 PM
Called Mossberg again. They said there is no serial number break. Change over occurred appx 3-4 months ago. With no way to tell what or where. They did tell me that if I bought one and something broke, they would send me the new parts at no charge..............
September 14, 2007, 03:17 PM
Why would they do THAT? You'd think they'd want to know which ones are which.
I would not buy one, unless I knew it was a "new, improved" version.
September 14, 2007, 03:55 PM
I just would not buy one :neener:. Seriously, been there, done that, and lived to regret it. When I bought mine I disregarded a lot of advice and stories just like you are hearing. The almighty dollar spoke being a poor, broke engineering student.
If you do buy one I wish you much better luck than I have had.
September 15, 2007, 10:03 AM
FWIW there's only one Turkish made shotgun (at this time) that I've read of that seems to get consistently good marks and that's the Yildiz available thru Academy Sports, with the warranty work done thru Briley. The gun is inexpensive and has a few negatives but overall, owners seem to be happy with them. They don't have Academy Sports where I live so I've never seen one first hand but would check one out if I could.
FYI - Legacy Sports is now importing a Turkish O/U made by Hatsan under the Escort name. I know nothing more than that about them.
Every gun maker will produce a lemon now and then but in general, Turkish guns seem a little too hit and miss quality-wise for me to spend my money on one. I'm not poor but I don't feel like paying for some manufacturer's learning curve. I would think that especially true if my money was tight. While many of them look pretty, the internals are what count. The fault rarely seems to be in the basic design but in the consistency of quality from one gun to the next. In time that should work itself out, especially makers associated with CZ, Mossberg, and others. But who knows how soon since the emphasis seems to be on offering a low-cost product. Any low-cost or inexpensive gun is going to be made with some compromises or limitations but it should be possible to produce a good value for low-medium volume shooters. Anyone looking to do medium-high volume shooting will probably be happier spending the extra money on a more proven product.
September 15, 2007, 10:18 AM
I think the Yildiz is a good gun. I've never fired a round out of one, handled 'em at Academy and just going by what I've read. It seems like a dandy little shotgun and a best buy in O/Us. I may get one, was considering one when I got my Spartan.
September 16, 2007, 06:10 PM
I've had a SPR 310 O/U 12 gauge and it shot great. The problem I had was that it didn't open and close very well even after a couple thousand rounds through it. I traded it in + added money to get the Mossberg Silver Reserve O/U Sporting clays gun. Couldn't be happier! After about 5000 rounds through it, I haven't had a problem with it (knock on wood). I've had 4 Mossbergs thoughout my life and really haven't had any problems with any of them.
September 16, 2007, 08:39 PM
I just got an SPR310 and shot it today for the first time. For a new gun I was very happy since I shot my average in skeet +/-1 for both games. A friend also tried it and also did well. It literally falls open when you toggle the lever over so I didn't end up with the too-tight action. I will be doing some minor work on it though. The ejectors are sharp as razors. Another friend laid his hand open on the ejector of his 310 and I don't want to repeat that mistake. I found the procedure for switching barrel firing order different but once I got used to it, no problem.
September 17, 2007, 10:49 AM
On my Spartan 220 side by side, I have to force the barrels down to get the fired rounds out and reload which sorta takes three hands. I've got a way of holding the gun that works, but it's sorta irritating. That's a gripe I just thought of. I like the gun, though, and it shoots very well.
September 17, 2007, 12:58 PM
The unfortunate reality is that nobody ever regretted avoiding shotguns that say "Made in Turkey" on them.
SKB offers shotguns that are a great value. They're not dirt cheap, and some variants are up there, but they're "forever" guns that will last and that handle with the best of them, for a good price. No problems with fit, finish, or mechanicals.
September 19, 2007, 07:21 PM
Well, I read all the posts and as usual most stray from the original question.
If it is true that Moss has upgraded and didnt make a reference (which I find hard to believe) to where they started then shame on them.
As a 20ga.SR owner of a little over a year, I can only comment on my own personal experience which is; I had a bottom broken firing pin occur at a little over 1000 rounds. I chose to take it to a smith for repair figuring it was out of warranty (poor decision), I later found out they would have honored it anyway. Moss sent a new pin (no cost)to the smith and the gun was repaired for a cost of $28.
I've been shooting the gun on the skeet range on occassion with no problems ,and will have to wait to see if any further problems arise in the future. I like the gun and as I've stated before ,for occassional clays and game IMO it's a good buy by todays market pricing.
If your intention is heavy clay shooting ........Buy a Browning!
September 30, 2007, 10:05 PM
I had a silver reserve I bought at Walmart for my son. It would mis fire 1 out of every 10 shots. I sold it to a friend of mine who said he didn't care about the misfire because I gave it to him at a 125.00 loss. You get what you pay for !!! You might get a good one, you might get a lemon, sometimes with a cheap O/U it's a crap shoot
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