Modern bolt rifles with open sights...


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rino451
September 13, 2007, 10:08 PM
Are there any modern bolt rifles designed for use with rear mounted, preferably range adjustable, open sights?

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Outlaws
September 13, 2007, 10:33 PM
http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=22
http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=17
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_700/model_700_BDL_specs.asp
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAProdResults?function=famid&famid=31&variation=International&bct=Yes&type=Rifle

Hutch
September 13, 2007, 10:34 PM
Don't know of any sporter turnbolt rifles that have receiver sights. Is that what you mean by "rear mounted"? Most manufacturers make turnbolts with open sites mounted on the barrel. You can easily buy and mount a Lyman receiver site on, for example, a Remington 700. Am I missing something?

rino451
September 13, 2007, 10:38 PM
Yes, receiver sight is what I meant. Outlaw, none of those fit the criteria.

I'd like to consider alternatives to Enfields, MN's, K31's, and 1903's. I'm surprised that there aren't many options out there.

351 WINCHESTER
September 13, 2007, 10:42 PM
I mounted a lyman 48 receiver sight to a 700 remington. The left side of the receiver was already drilled. The only mods. I had to do was take off some wood from the stock. It was really a nice setup. This was done in 1968 when rifle scopes were not nearly as relaible as scopes of today, not to mention their cost.

Outlaws
September 13, 2007, 10:49 PM
Ya, I don't know about the others, but a Remington does if you add an aftermarket one. Lyman makes them, and I think a few others do.

bvchurch
September 13, 2007, 11:10 PM
Not sure if this could be considered an example:
http://www.tulatoz.ru/en/toz78.html

Drum rear sight mechanism that adjusts from 25 to 100 yards:
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1015

I don't own one yet, though I am thinking about doing an FFL transfer on one of those as my Mosins are fun and I like the russian designs, but I think the 22 might be cheaper on ammo and my shoulder :).

Smitty in CT
September 14, 2007, 12:00 AM
According to their web-site, Mossberg 100ATR & 4x4 are both available with adjustable sights.
http://www.mossberg.com/images/products/100ATR/26156_26153.jpg
http://www.mossberg.com/images/products/4X4/26460.jpg
http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=27&section=products

rino451
September 14, 2007, 03:29 PM
Looking for something like this Winchester 1917 w/o the pricetag:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=80309279

ETA link fixed...

ArmedBear
September 14, 2007, 03:38 PM
The only modern bolt gun I can think of that comes with military sights is a Steyr Scout.

Bolt-action sporters have never been common with sights like a No 4 Enfield or an AR.

Those sights are made with a different purpose in mind: hitting a man-sized target somewhere, at a wide range of distances. They're not meant for bullseye shooting or ethical big game hunting at a distance.

Peep sights are a popular aftermarket item, though.

Now iron sights like a Mosin or a No1 Mk3? Those are common on most bolt guns, in some configuration or other.

A Ruger 77 International, Remington Model 7 MS (Custom Shop), a full-stock CZ, etc. are some of the closest modern rifles to an old military rifle in appearance and feel, without the ungodly price tags of some other European guns.

http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/images/Product-Variations/228.jpg

http://www.remington.com/images/products/firearms/cs/7_MS%5B1%5D.jpg

http://www.czusa.com/data/productimg/main009.jpg

EDIT: Oh wait. I just saw the price of the Remington. I didn't know they were THAT much. Scratch the Model 7 MS.

M1 Shooter
September 14, 2007, 03:38 PM
That's not a Winchester in your link.

Zak Smith
September 14, 2007, 04:36 PM
Several high-end competition/sniper rifles have mounting provisions for "factory" or standard adjustable sights, including the Tubb 2000 and the AI-AW.

Siderite
September 14, 2007, 05:04 PM
rino451,
when you say:
rear mounted, preferably range adjustable, open sights
do you mean the quick-adjust ladder sights shown here:
http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/080295000/80295464/pix2384589343.jpg

if so, the CZ 452 Lux fits the bill:
http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=3
also available in full-stock configuration:
http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=45
however, these are both rimfire.

I don't think you'll find that style of sight on many rifles that aren't military-surplus, since loads vary enough otherwise that the calibrations will be off.

ArmedBear
September 14, 2007, 05:10 PM
You could also get this from DPMS.

http://www.rbprecision.com/63e90680.jpg

Or build your own with one of these.
http://www.sportingconversions.com/images/products/AR-15-California-Single-Shot-Receiver.jpg:D

eliphalet
September 14, 2007, 05:17 PM
I like these but mine are scoped.

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_700/model_700_BDL.asp

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