Help ID'ing a Sat. Nite Special


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evan price
September 14, 2007, 10:08 PM
OK, so this guy at the range saw me picking up brass and asks if I reload. I say yes, so he gives me all of his .45's..about 100 or so. Nice. He also says it's too hard to reload. I told him it;s not so hard if you have mechanical ability...

So he says, hey, you are a guy who tinkers, I have this old gun I got from my brother. It doesn't work. You want to give me $20 for it? I can't fix it, maybe you can. Otherwise, he says, he's just going to give it to his grandkids for a toy or something. :what:

He pulls out this silver .25 auto. Made in Belgium. Black plastic grips, machining marks in the finish, real cheapy. I offer the guy $10 and he takes it.

Turns out it has a broken firing pin tip. Otherwise it seems to work.

If I can fix it, hey, cheap enough. If not, I figure the next time there is a gun buy-back for $100 gift cards, It's getting turned in (profit!)

In the meantime, I can't find anything about it.

.25 acp caliber silver colored with a removable mag with heel release. Safety/slide release is on left side. Rotates down to release slide or to fire. Barrel is removed by locking slide back, and rotating the barrel 1/4 turn and there are grooves in the top of the frame or in the side of the slide, the barrel lugs line up with.

Grips are black plastic, the left one is missing replaced with something from another gun, the right side has a large circular C with an obelisk and an O inside it. One screw for each grip panel.

External extractor on top of slide, no ejector. Grip safety on back of grip.

Left side of slide is marked ANG. E TABL PIEPER HERSTAL BELGIUM
Right side of slide is marked MADE IN BELGIUM

There are proof marks all over it what look like a running man maybe, with a line under it, a P.V, under that a 5-point star, under that an M.

Barrel proofs are the same plus a crown on top of an oval, in the oval are E and under that LG

And then "6.35 br"

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hexidismal
September 14, 2007, 10:12 PM
hmm, not sure off the top of my head... some pics would definitely help

PTK
September 14, 2007, 10:14 PM
It sounds like a copy of the .25acp vest pocket pistol, or if it has a hammer, the later Colt .25acp pocket pistol.

evan price
September 14, 2007, 10:18 PM
It's hammerless.
I am at home and on sloooow dialup. WHen I go to work I can upload some pix.

Jim Watson
September 14, 2007, 10:54 PM
It is a Peiper Vest Pocket. 6.25 Br = .25 ACP
Belgian proof marks, old time Belgian company, stamped "Made in Belgium" indicating it was made for sale in an English speaking country, probably the USA since there was a country of origin marking law passed pre WW I.

Peiper made a lot of pistols in the early twentieth century, many of them of novel design. Unfortunately this isn't one of them; it is pretty much a vanilla copy of the Browning design with some corner cutting like letting the firing pin act as ejector and the safety-takedown lever. No great value even if in better conditon. Keep an eye out for that buyup.

evan price
September 14, 2007, 11:28 PM
Yeah, I just figured out what I thought was "ANG." was actually "ANC."
And that means:
"Anciens Etablissements Pieper" at Herstal, Belgium

Not much or any info otherwise... is it worth my time to even try to find a firing pin?

I figure I won't go wrong on it as long as I don't spend any money on it and the gun grabbers do their usual holiday gun buyback...

DrLaw
September 14, 2007, 11:41 PM
Concur. Pieper. The question is, what model of Pieper? Can you post a photo?

The Doc is out now. :cool:

evan price
September 15, 2007, 05:52 AM
Numrich web site lists a set of grip panels for a Pieper "New Model" that look identical to the grips on this gun. So I would guess that it is a Pieper "New Model" vest pocket pistol in .25acp...probably worth maybe $30 if it was fixed I'm guessing... lol
I will try to get a pic up later.

Thanks for the detective work.

SDC
September 15, 2007, 09:03 AM
Here are a bunch of line drawings of the more common Piepers; 29-56 through 29-65. http://www.earmi.it/armi/atlas/atlas.htm#belp

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