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magsnubby
September 14, 2007, 10:41 PM
This would not be the primary ccw weapon.

For an occasional "slip it into your pocket" gun for those times when you have to answer natures call while camping, run down to the mailbox or maybe down to the local stop 'n rob to grab some refreshments which of the following guns (only the ones on the list) would you choose:

S&W 36 (no dash flat latch)
S&W 60 (no dash .38)
S&W 642
Taurus 605
Ruger SP101

All are bobbed hammer D/A only. Load would be 135 gr Gold Dots .38's. No magnum loads for the 605 or SP101.

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Sistema1927
September 14, 2007, 10:45 PM
S&w 642

Rexster
September 15, 2007, 01:21 AM
Sp101

LarryS.
September 15, 2007, 01:33 AM
642 +1
Works for me!

cslinger
September 15, 2007, 01:36 AM
Smith 642, 442, 638, 60, etc. Some folks will tell you to get one of those new uber light weight guns made out of unobtanium but frankly the weight difference isn't all that huge in your pocket but sure makes a difference when you popping off +P or .357 Maggies. Stick with the aluminum or steel guns.

Chris

ArchAngelCD
September 15, 2007, 01:51 AM
Smith 642, 442, 638, 60, etc. Some folks will tell you to get one of those new uber light weight guns made out of unobtanium but frankly the weight difference isn't all that huge in your pocket but sure makes a difference when you popping off +P or .357 Maggies. Stick with the aluminum or steel guns.

Chris
I'll have to disagree with you Chris. The Steel J frame feels a lot heavier than the 15 oz Airweight when carried in your pocket. Forget about the SP-101, it feels like a brick in your pocket. The main reason he should go with a 15 oz .38 Special is because of his own words, he said:
All are bobbed hammer D/A only. Load would be 135 gr Gold Dots .38's. No magnum loads for the 605 or SP101.
IMO, because of what he said the only real choice for a pocket gun is the M642. He might want to look at the M638 too since it's also a great snub nose revolver that will carry well in a pocket.

BTW magsnubby, just a side note, the SP-101 is also made in a .38 Special only along with .357 Magnum and .32 Magnum versions. http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAProdResults?function=famid&famid=9&variation=Satin%20Stainless&bct=Yes&type=Revolver

blackwind Jeff
September 15, 2007, 02:00 AM
642 ftw!
Forget the 36/60 if you're thinking non-primary carry.

No offense to the SP101, but I think anything that gun does can be better served by something else. Just my two cents, don't be hatin'!

Also, if you're considering a Taurus 605, why not a 650?

cslinger
September 15, 2007, 02:02 AM
I was really talking about the scandium super light guns. The best compromise are the aluminum guns at around 15-17 oz. The model 60, however, really isn't all that bad in a pocket with proper grips and barrel length.

The SP101, while a spectacular revolver, is way the hell far from a pocket gun.

Chris

GRIZ22
September 15, 2007, 02:07 AM
Any one would meet the requirements you specify. The difference between them is personal preference.

Gary A
September 15, 2007, 09:56 AM
Answer call of nature while camping: SP101
Run down to the mailbox: SP101
Quick run to the convenience store: 642 (although SP101 would work fine)
Long term carry in your pocket: 642

Glockman17366
September 15, 2007, 10:03 AM
Taurus 85 Ultralight or the DA/SA version, the 851 Protector with aluminum frame, titanium cylinder.

That little "go anywhere" gun should be a lightweight, IMHO. Otherwise, it won't go anywhere...

dbarale
September 15, 2007, 03:41 PM
Being a big Ruger fan........642!

mavracer
September 15, 2007, 04:11 PM
pocket 642 period, IWB any of the others.I have a 442 in my pocket most times and a 605 IWB at other times.sometimes both:evil:

The Lone Haranguer
September 15, 2007, 07:50 PM
Are these guns you already own, or are thinking of buying?

Of those, I would go with the 642 due to its lighter weight. The other Smiths and the Taurus would work, but their extra weight will drag at your pants for the usage you describe. The Ruger is not in the same league as the others for ease of carry in a pocket; it is much better as a holster gun.

If you are looking to buy a new gun for this purpose, I am fond of the Kahr PM9, although it is more costly and demanding of maintenance for your proposed use. However, it has the size and weight covered, plus carrying two more of what I believe to be a more effective cartridge from a short barrel, having sights you can see, etc.

Originally posted by Glockman17366:
That little "go anywhere" gun should be a lightweight, IMHO. Otherwise, it won't go anywhere...
I like that. :D

craig_o
September 15, 2007, 08:25 PM
I have to say that I'd buy a Charter Arms Anything before I bought a Taurus... too many "how in the heck did this gun break/customer service has my gun still/I got the wrong gun back from customer service/I got my gun back and they didn't do anything" stories.

Moving right along: I'm in the same boat. A Smith 637 (same as 642 but with a hammer) is on the short list, as is the SP101. SP101 is 2 oz heavier than a 60/640 and 3/8" longer overall (with a .25" longer bbl), but the .357 option and quicker follow-up shot potential is attractive. Some people complain about the weight, some people say wear a good belt.

I think the SP101 would make a good pocket gun, a great belt gun and a good gun for self-defense year-round.

Starter52
September 15, 2007, 08:30 PM
You have some good guns to choose from.

Me, I'd go lightweight and get the 642.

magsnubby
September 15, 2007, 09:17 PM
I own all of those guns. Just curious as to which one most people would choose.

My favorite is the 642 followed by the 60.

I'll most likely be selling them all but the 642 and the 60. Already sold a Taurus 606 (2" .357) and three Charter 2000's.

But with a clipdraw (http://www.clipdraw.com/handguns.html) the SP101 might be a good choice...

Alex45ACP
September 15, 2007, 11:04 PM
+1 to the 642

BikerRN
September 15, 2007, 11:25 PM
S&W 642

I carry a 442 because I got it for a song. If I had to pay retail I would've got the 642. It's a great pocket gun and I carry it as a BUG in my pocket.

Biker

The_Shootist
September 15, 2007, 11:50 PM
Have a 3" bbl SP101 in .357 flavour - a bit too heavy for pocket carry. So I'll go with my only other snubby -Model 85 Taurus. .38spl rated for +P loads.

ArchAngelCD
September 16, 2007, 12:18 AM
C'mon guys, don't recommend a Taurus Snub Nose revolver. While the revolver itself is fine the trigger is TERRIBLE and remains bad even after 1,000 trigger pulls with snap caps. If Taurus would do something about their trigger they would win over a lot of shooters with the prices they charge.

Also, the SP-101 is a great revolver but in no way do I feel it's a pocket revolver. On the belt fine but in the pocket, sorry, no way!! This is only my opinion though and I know others here have different opinions on this matter.

magsnubby
September 16, 2007, 12:51 AM
I still have two Taurus wheel guns (85 & 605) and the triggers aren't that bad on them. After about 500 rounds and 1,000 dry fires (i use the same routine on all my wheel guns) they're still heavy but they both smoothed up a bunch.

skeeter1
September 16, 2007, 01:24 AM
S&W model 60, 38Spl. since that's my usual camping sidearm anyway.

Bob
September 16, 2007, 01:43 AM
Well, my choice was a 2.25" SP-101 in 357mag. It is more weight than some, but it works well for me in the role of a pocket gun. Your mileage may vary.
Bob

10-Ring
September 16, 2007, 02:17 AM
642 would be the best bet! :cool:

ranger58
September 16, 2007, 08:22 AM
642:)

jimk66
September 16, 2007, 06:06 PM
Hi, I know this revolver isn't on your list, but I pocket carry a S&W 640 every day and like the confidence a few extra ounces of weight provides without feeling baggy or weighted down when carrying the little power house. It also handles +P bad boy's just fine...and if you feel you need the extra ump you can go with 357 mag's. It stays put in your pocket and doesn't move around when I'm on the go. It carries well in shorts, dockers and jeans if they arn't too tight. It's easy to forget it's there half the time. In the car it goes in the glove box and my EMP or M&P 40c takes over as primary.
The 642 is a great little revolver and it sure gets it's turn to go bye bye, but I personally like the 640 Centennial best and feel very comfortable and confident while carrying it. We all love pic's, so I thought I would throw one in.:D
Jim:)
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i138/JimK60/SW640Centenial38P-357-1.jpg

magsnubby
September 16, 2007, 09:46 PM
Nice gun. How do you like those laser grips?

jimk66
September 17, 2007, 09:31 AM
Thanks, The CT laser grips are pretty nice and I can use them on either the 640 or 642. I personally believe they are more for fun than utility because in reality the rangees these little guns will most likely come into play is in large part how well it points for you. Several of the guy's who have the CT laser system leave them turned off to save the batteries...do I need to say more????? I practice 50-75 rounds a week just grabing, point shooting at 10 - 30' profile targets. I don't try and get fancy, but go for body mass. I know 5 BB 158gr standard pressure 38's in the 640 or 642 will get the job done or I'm up a sh.....Creek without a paddle. lol
Bottom line: Don't waste your $250 on a CTand go get another 642 which they have on sale down here for $375 or a 640 for $519.
Best,
JimK

Euclidean
September 17, 2007, 09:37 AM
It really depends on what kind of pants you might be wearing imho.

I've noticed that in sturdy, comfortable cotton denim or even a cargo/BDU-esque pant, I can get away with the steel revolvers much more easily. In Dockers or slacks, the heavier guns are a losing proposition.

My vote for the "ideal" gun would be a 642-1. The CT grips would be kind of a neat addition.

Bo
September 17, 2007, 10:46 AM
Say what you want about Taurus, it goes bang everytime I pull the trigger and with the 650 SS you can shoot right thru your pocket if need be. Of course you'll be losing a good jacket but, what the hey.

FerFAL
September 17, 2007, 11:15 AM
Mine would be a nice Colt Police Positve Special, 3" 38 Special. Fits ok in my jeans or jacket. It's a bit heavy but steel is mroe durable and teh weight makes is a pleasure to shoot.

FerFAL

Brian Williams
September 17, 2007, 11:24 AM
942, too bad S&W only made 1 and I had to modify my 642 to get mine. I wish S&W would take a scandium 340 and put in a 9mm cylinder.

ACP
September 17, 2007, 08:56 PM
642. If it's a run down to the "stop & rob," believe me, it's your primary. Nothing wrong with that. Just practice a lot with FMJ std. pressure loads.

You'll be surprised how much you carry it. I carry it mowing the lawn, raking leaves, outside with the kids after dinner, picking up take-out food in flip flops and soccer shorts, etc. The important thing with the 642 is that YOU WILL HAVE A GUN ON YOU AT ALL TIMES.

22luvr
September 18, 2007, 10:25 AM
Since I have been a front-pocket carrier my whole life, for my purposes, a CCW pocket-carried handgun should not weigh more than a pound. (gun, ammo, holster)

I've carried over a dozen different handguns, both revolvers and semi-autos and the two best were: Smith and Wesson mod 638 Bodyguard in .38 sp and the Smith and Wesson Mod 340 SC Scandium in .357 mag.

Both were carried in an Uncle Mike's soft flexible size 3 pocket holster which easily concealed the cylinder. All other revolvers I've tried, with the exception of my NAA .22 Mag mini were either too large, too heavy, or had snag issues.

Wearing docker-style pleated trousers completely concealed the gun and the only issue I had was getting pockets deep enough to keep the grip from peeking out.

The enclosed or shrouded hammered J-frames were the only revolvers that made sense to me for full-time all-the-time pocket carry.

Dirtypacman
September 18, 2007, 10:56 AM
Another 642 vote here

MrTuffPaws
September 18, 2007, 11:33 AM
What? No S&W 340?

Mr. Designer
September 18, 2007, 12:43 PM
S&w 642

sig228
September 18, 2007, 11:44 PM
JimK, +1 on that 640. I'd rather have a heavier gun that carries .357 than one that doesn't.

ryan b
September 19, 2007, 10:35 AM
which ever u shoot the best

FLA2760
September 19, 2007, 03:17 PM
642 or a circa 1984 model 60 in stainless depending on mood.

dogngun
September 20, 2007, 09:09 AM
I prefer heavier, steel frame guns...I shoot them better. I have an older Model 36 nickel plate, and a Model 19 2 1/2" round butt. Either one or both would do, depending on the situation.

Mark

Lashlarue
September 20, 2007, 02:19 PM
Since a I carry a semi- auto 9mm as primary, my bug is a NAA 22m 1 5/8" barrel revolver http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/C5Sam/MyNAAmini.jpg

Combatcomm
September 20, 2007, 08:07 PM
I love my 642:)

magsnubby
September 20, 2007, 09:50 PM
"Since a I carry a semi- auto 9mm as primary, my bug is a NAA 22m 1 5/8" barrel revolver"

I used to have one of those in .22 LR. I carried it in my pocket when i worked swing shift and graveyard in a very bad part of town. I figured if some crack head started to climb over the chain link gate i could stick it in his face and if not put him out, at least slow him down enough so i could get to my truck and get my .357.

Landlocked Pirate
September 20, 2007, 10:41 PM
I have access to a S&W 642, Ruger SP-101, and a Taurus 650 CIA model. The Taurus is my personal choice and the trigger is the best of the three.

OAKVILLE SHOOTER
September 21, 2007, 07:38 PM
Since the only gun on your list that I have is the 605, I guess I am biased towards it. It goes bang when I pull the trigger, which is pretty smooth by the way, shoots to point of aim at sd ranges, and comfortable to shoot even with 158 mag loads. Love it.

Good luck

DAdams
September 21, 2007, 09:19 PM
What? No S&W 340?


I would have said 642. That is until I started shooting and carrying a
M&P 340.

I still have a 642 with CT grips. My wife keeps it in her night stand.

Hutch
September 22, 2007, 12:11 PM
642. Wish I had one...

Browning
September 22, 2007, 12:38 PM
I've always liked the idea of an old S&W Airweight Bodyguard style for front pocket carry personally.

http://www.snubnose.info/images/Airweight_Bodyguard_250.jpg

Mated with a front pocket holster in the right hand pocket and with a couple speed loaders in the left hand pocket and this would be just about perfect for me since I run around alot in shorts during the summer and I don't think that I could successfully conceal a larger gun. I don't know about other people, but I'm much more likely to just slip something in my pocket if I'm in a hurry than if I have to take the time to strap something on.

And a small 5 shot revolver in the pocket is better than a whole safe full of guns left at home.

S&W still makes a Bodyguard style revolver as well.


The S&W Model 638 Bodyguard style revolver in .38 Special
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=14772&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15704&isFirearm=Y


I prefer the older blued version as I think that it looks more traditional, but at least they're keeping the idea around. I like the concealed hammer better as the hammer is less likely to get caught on clothing while trying to draw, but at the same time you could still shoot single action if you wanted to.


S&W also makes it in .357 Mag/S&W Model 649
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=14773&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15704&isFirearm=Y

.38 snubbies vs. .380 autos
http://www.gunweek.com/2005/feature0620.html

I've been using a Kel Tec, but I think that I'm gonna switch to this if I can find one at a decent price.

chaim
September 23, 2007, 02:49 AM
C'mon guys, don't recommend a Taurus Snub Nose revolver. While the revolver itself is fine the trigger is TERRIBLE and remains bad even after 1,000 trigger pulls with snap caps. If Taurus would do something about their trigger they would win over a lot of shooters with the prices they charge.
You're kidding right?

Taurus J-frame sized centerfire guns have better triggers than equivenent S&W (I don't know how the SP101 compares). I have had two (and have one) Taurus snub. I have a S&W. I've also tried quite a few others dry firing at the store. On every one, the Taurus triggers are better. It isn't just me- I've heard this from quite a few other people as well. This isn't true of the larger guns though Taurus is close (Taurus isn't bad on any but the rimfire revolvers).

chaim
September 23, 2007, 02:52 AM
To the OP-

Since you already have the guns, go with the 642. It is the only one light enough to really be suited to pocket carry (even occasional). If you didn't already have them, I'd suggest the 442 (the way I went) since it is basically the 642 with a blue style finish and for the past couple years they have been a little less money.

If you didn't already have them, I'd also suggest considering the Taurus 85 over the 605 since you say you won't be shooting these with magnum loads. The 85 cuts a couple ounces off the 605. It is just barely light enough for shorter periods of pocket carry (I don't think I'd want to do it all day, but for short periods it is fine). Maybe you'd consider trading it in? Or maybe the extra 2oz. doesn't bother you.

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