Anybody ever hear of .40 Revolver?


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BlindJustice
September 15, 2007, 10:31 PM
Besides the .38-40 which originated in 1874 and was a necked down
.44-40 but is somewhat misnamed since the barrel is .401 - Rem. put out
ammo for the old Colt SAA and S&W N-frames chambered for
it with a 180 gr. JSP load - here's comes the question,

ANy other REvolvers anybody heard of in a .40 besides the S & W
Model 610 in 10 MM.???

IF not, how about a .400 CorBOn? Unllike the .38-40 which has a
tapered case the .400 CorBon has the strait walled .45 ACP case
but a shoulder to headspace on. Would it still be susceptible to
backing out in say a Ruuger SA.???

In your opinion/experience of course.

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Seven For Sure
September 15, 2007, 10:38 PM
S&W 646 I have two, one NIB. I also have a 6.5" 610. Neither are made any longer. 646 is .40 only, 610 is .40 and 10mm.

Rexster
September 15, 2007, 10:48 PM
Ruger made a limited run of the Blackhawk called the "Buckeye," which had a 10mm cylinder and a .38-40 cylinder.

gbran
September 15, 2007, 10:52 PM
Ruger made a limited run of the Blackhawk called the "Buckeye," which had a 10mm cylinder and a .38-40 cylinder.

Wow. I didn't know that. Of course, it probably wasn't a big seller, given all the .41 mags. But, I think it would be cool to have a 10 mm auto and a revolver in same.

Jim Watson
September 15, 2007, 10:54 PM
S&W made a few 646 .40 caliber L frame revolvers. Two issues, really; one from the PC, one standard model which I think was a parts cleanup when they found some titanium .40 cylinders in the warehouse.

Ruger made a short run of combos with .40 and .38-40 cylinders.

There were several wildcats with cylinders chambered for stouter brass (like .401 WSL) behind .38-40 barrels in a bygone day.

Herter's had the .401 Powermag.

I don't know why the .400 Corbon would not work in a revolver... but it would cost a lot more than a .41 Magnum.

Fisherman_48768
September 15, 2007, 10:56 PM
Herters marketed a handgun years ago call the .401 (something) Cattle killer maybe.

BlindJustice
September 15, 2007, 11:21 PM
Yeah, double wow - never heard of the S & W and RUger offerings.

I ran the idea by Hamilton S Bowen of Bowen FIrearms about converting
an N-Frame to .400 CorBOn - but the No. 1 insurmountable reason he gave was there are no S & W stock parts to work from ... and was also leery of the bottleneck in a revolver, perhaps that is because of the pressures that are not SAAMI established because CorBOn and Peter Pie have never pursued
doing this. Master pistolsmith Bowen did say he could try it with a RUger SAA - change to a .38-40 barrel, and see how a cylinder in .400 CorBOn worked. If it failed you could revert to a .38-40

My thought about the N-frame would be to have the cylinder set up like a .45 ACP for the .400 CorBOn and use the Full Moon clips. Might retard the
possibility of backing out the spent cartridge and wildcat the .45 Auto RIm to identical forward case dimensions when it is necked down to .40 bullets.

Just some idle thoughts.

SOmewhere my S & W 1911 is in a UPS truck and
Jarvis Barrels in Montana have my order for a .400
CorBon barrel.

Molasses
September 16, 2007, 11:11 AM
In addition to the Buckeye (named for an Ohio distributer that was willing to order enough of 'em to justify Ruger's making the batch-likewise with a run of .32 Mag/.32-20 convertibles) 10mm/.38-40 Blackhawk convertibles, Ruger also made a batch of convertible Vaqueros in .40 S&W/.38-40... and a small number of Vaqueros in just .40 S&W.

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q201/Molasses_photos/Toys/MVC-023F.jpg

S&Wfan
September 16, 2007, 02:39 PM
Here's the S&W Performance Center version that came out first. It is built on the "L-frame," and is called the Model 646. All .40S&W caliber Smiths are Model 646 handguns.

Only 400 were made, and it was a hotrod model (skeletonized barrel, moonclipped, titanium cylinder, adjustable trigger stop, etc.) designed to kick total butt with serious wheelgun competitors.
http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/246/246167/folders/233364/19746541a.JPG



Alas, those powers that be in the shooting sports field soon changed the rules and put all the moon clip revolvers into a class of their own . . . thus allowing shooters of non-moon clip revolvers a chance to win again! Typically, a competitor is much faster reloading moonclips during an action revolver match. If you've seen the great Jerry Miculek set the 12 shot record under three seconds, starting at the low ready position, you know exactly what I mean!!!

Like many other competitors, I discovered that I love my N-frame 625 and 25-2 moonclipped wheelguns better in .45ACP. However, this 646 swings so fast and smooth in the double action mode and comes to point soooo well. It is a great handgun, and shoots very accurately!!! It is pictured below on the bottom, wearing it's "Goodyears"
http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/246/246167/folders/233364/19780883b.JPG




Here's another shot of mine, built on 8-14-2001. She's a beaut! I put the "Goodyear rubbers" on her for match use, and also pictured are a bunch of match ammo loaded in moonclips.

http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/246/246167/folders/233364/2086107646-2.jpg

A SECOND ISSUE OF THE MODEL 646 . . .

Later, S&W took the remaining titanium cylinders and made a conventional L-frame 646, that looks like a regular 686 .357. Maybe 800 of these were made, IIRC. I could be wrong on this number though. Since that final run S&W has been mum on making any new ones.

I imagine someone will post a photo of one of these soon.

T.

McCall911
September 16, 2007, 04:33 PM
Herters marketed a handgun years ago call the .401 (something) Cattle killer maybe.

Yessir. .401 Herters Powermag.
The Powermag was a neat single action revolver made in the 1960s.

jcs271
September 17, 2007, 05:17 PM
I have 3 of the Ruger Vaquero's NIB. All are marked .40 S&W. They were part of a special run made for the San Diego Sheriffs Dept. 150th anniversary
(1850-2000). Most were marked on the barrel San Diego Sheriff and the rosewood grips were nicely laser engraved with an SDSO badge. They came in a glass top oak box. Special comm. badges were also available to deputies and there was a space in the box for the badge. If I recall correctly they were about $500 w/box, $75 for badge. After the run was complete, the San Diego area gun shop that handled the order sold the leftover unmarked guns for about $350.

critter
September 17, 2007, 05:31 PM
Hummm. Wonder if a Ruger SP101 could be made into a moon-clip fed 10mm/.40 S&W? If not, perhaps a GP100?

20nickels
September 17, 2007, 08:21 PM
Critter,
Somebody is converting the GP100 in 10mm, but I do not remember the shop.

Blindjustice,
I too am interested in the concept of an N frame 400 Cor-Bon. It would fit just like .45ACP in a 625 and use existing .45acp moonclips. I do not understand why the cases would back out, is it because they now have a shoulder to push against? Anyway I've always thought the N frame would be the ideal platform for the 400 Cor-Bon.

BlindJustice
September 17, 2007, 08:55 PM
A GP100 in .40 S &W - it would depend
on on the cylinder diameter would it not? See how
much meat is left but the cylinder would also have
to have room for the moon clips

Know of any shops that make a Cylinder $$$ to spec.
for a nutter of an idea?

mavracer
September 17, 2007, 09:00 PM
I too am interested in the concept of an N frame 400 Cor-Bon. It would fit just like .45ACP in a 625 and use existing .45acp moonclips.
why go to that trouble just get a 610.

20nickels
September 18, 2007, 12:42 AM
I was on the understanding that the 400 Cor-Bon was essentially 10mm ballistics with much lower pressure and recoil (who wouldn't want that?). I've not shot either so cannot confirm this. If this is not true then Mavracer is right, just get the S&W 610.
A disadvantage of 400CB was less magazine capacity than 10mm in autos, in an N frame revo it would not matter since 6 is what you get in either caliber.
So it seems to me a caliber war is in order. :evil:

Gator
September 18, 2007, 08:29 AM
I imagine someone will post a photo of one of these soon.

Glad to oblige :) The 646 is a great gun. Although I do like the front sight on the PC version better.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Galt38/646.jpg

Brian Williams
September 18, 2007, 11:19 AM
If I was not into the 357 so much a 646 would be one of my next guns. I wish that S&W would provide a good carriable revolver based platform for their "flagship" auto round.

mavracer
September 18, 2007, 01:31 PM
I was on the understanding that the 400 Cor-Bon was essentially 10mm ballistics with much lower pressure and recoil (who wouldn't want that?).
while ballistic are close as are case capacity.recoil is going to be about the same with a given load because powder charge plays such a small roll in recoil. now for the advantages the 10mm case is a heavier design the 400 corbon is based on 45 acp. In a n frame revolver 37,500 psi is not much especially since the 629 runs 40,000 cup with thinner walls.
just so happens I was chronoing loads from my 4" 610 sunday my 180 xtp load averaged 1200 fps and my 135 nosler averaged 1550.and these are bu no means max loads,per the hodgdon online data the 180 is starting load and only 31000 psi.

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