[esmith]

This is a hypothetical situation. If i took some pistol bullets that i found at the range into my highschool, the bullet, not the cartridge, what do you think would happen? Im pretty sure i would be suspended if not expelled. My school is liberal, just as every other one in the United States.

[SoCalShooter]

You would be suspended then expelled and probably go to jail. Do not do it.

[Madmardig0n]

When I was young (mid 90s) I took stuff like that to school. Of course, that was before all the zero tolerance bull came about. I'd second SoCalShooter's opinion that you would be suspended/expelled. I doubt that you could be arrested, however, IANAL.

[Rob87]

Why would you even bother to do that? Do not do that.

[strat81]

Im pretty sure i would be suspended if not expelled.

I agree. Don't screw up your future or jeopardize your RKBA. Leave the stuff home.

[Cannonball888]

You might get away with it if they were historical artifacts, otherwise no.

[Rob87]

Yeah; it doesn't matter if it's fair or not; don't jeopardize your future for no reason.

Strat, what's "RKBA"?

[Bartkowski]

Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

[Mannix]

Strat, what's "RKBA"?

Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

[yesit'sloaded]

I once played a concert with a guitar strap that had .223 brass stitched on that looked like an ammo belt. I got a complement from my art teacher for my creativity. I would think that as long as there is no powder or primer and the brass and lead are not affixed in such a way as to look like a live round I would think there is nothing they can do. All you have is a hunk of lead and a brass cylinder.

[esmith]

Why would you even bother to do that? Do not do that.

Did you not see "This is a hypothetical situation" It was the first thing in the damn thread. I never said i would do this.

[Prince Yamato]

As an academic, I will tell you NO. Do NOT bring it to school. Even if they don't do anything to you (you will probably be suspended), you will be known as, "the guy who brought bullets to school". You will probably also be put onto a list of students who have potential to do something crazy. Let's say somehow you end up mixed up in something suspicious, this will count against you. I know, really stupid for bringing in chunks of metal. Hell, I wouldn't even bring PICTURES of firearms to school unless they are related to a report that you are doing.

Do not ruin your life just to show people a couple chunks of metal.

[jethro75]

Last fall I took my, 9 year old at the time, nephew to the rage to shoot his 22. Well being a kid he was looking at all the brass laying around and when we went to the targets he found some spent bullets. Well with out me seeing it he must have put some of the empty brass (no bullets) in his coat pocket. When he went to school the next day the brass was found or displayed to friends, I am not sure which but I really heard it from his dad about the school calling and flipping out about it. Luckily my nephew didn’t get in any trouble because his father explained what must have happened, but they made it very clear to him that he had his warning. This is in a rural area with deer hunting being pretty big, so much so that the first two days of riffle there is no school because in the past there was hardly any one, especially boys, over 12 in school. Go figure.

[CWL]

back in the early 1980's when I was in HS, in physics lab, the teacher brought a couple of Ruger MKIs to class and we fired them into packed newspapers to calculate velocity... This was in Bay Area CA. Things sure changed.

Oh yeah, this was inside the classroom, we didn't even have to go outside.

[strat81]

Wow, I think this is the first time I've seen a THR thread where everyone agrees on something.

[esmith]

Okay people. I want to make this as clear as possible. I will NOT take these into school. I also never said i would. So people stop telling me not to.

[Crunker1337]

Don't take the chance, don't do it.

Even if you manage to get away with it, which I don't think will happen, it's not worth the trouble.

[Jamie C.]

Wow, I think this is the first time I've seen a THR thread where everyone agrees on something.

Yeah.... It's just a shame that we're agreeing on a behavior that's outright retarded ( getting in trouble for bringing a couple of pieces of firearms-related metal to school ).

I still remember my 7th grade science teacher keeping his deer rifle in the supply closet in his class room. Nobody though anything of it then, but if he tried that now, he'd be sitting behind bars wondering what happened.

I also remember one kid giving a report or presentation in 8th grade English class on military munitions... he brought a bunch of dummy rockets, mortar and artillery rounds, and set up a display. ( His dad worked for some company that made the things )

I seem to recall he got an "A" on his presentation, not the suspension and jail time he would get these days...


J.C.

[Rob87]

Don't do it! :)

[JKimball]

Okay people. I want to make this as clear as possible. I will NOT take these into school. I also never said i would. So people stop telling me not to.

So what is the point of the thread? Are you planning on planting them on the school bully? :neener:

Wow, I think this is the first time I've seen a THR thread where everyone agrees on something.

Just to be different...

If you have a reason that you might want to take those to school, i.e. for show and tell or something, have your parents ask for permission. I know... fat chance of that working.

[hso]

Depends upon the context.

On a display board showing the different components for a science class with ballistics graphs? Possibly nothing.

Same setup on a board showing their theater use for a history class? Probably nothing.

Stuffed in your pocket to show your pals? Anything from nothing to suspension to expulsion to being charged under 0-tolerance and causing your parents to spend most of your college fund for you to get back into school so you could graduate a year after your buddies and then have to go to a school they couldn't afford or send you to a lesser school they could.

[esmith]

So what is the point of the thread? Are you planning on planting them on the school bully?

I wanted to see what you people think would happen and if any other circumstances where it would be able to occur without punishment. I do have bullets, but it may not have been a good idea to use myself as an example.

[Larry Ashcraft]

My grandson accidently took a 12 gauge loaded shell to preschool in the pocket of his coat (he was "helping" dad hunt the day before). It fell out of his pocket and I guess the school just about evacuated the building and called the bomb squad out. :rolleyes:

He didn't get in any trouble though, after my son explained the situation. This was at a semi-rural school.

[U.S.SFC_RET]

cannonball888 quoted:You might get away with it if they were historical artifacts, otherwise no.
My son brought musket balls to school, musket balls! They were confiscated. I dug them up years ago with a metal detector. I got them back. That scenario doesn't pass the common sense test by a long shot.

[.cheese.]

As may have been said, it's been done, and the results you predicted were the results.

[JesseL]

I once found a bullet among the boulders on my elementary school playground. Nobody thought it was particularly alarming, but that was 20 years ago.

Interestingly, it was a fairly large (.38 or bigger) heeled lead bullet. Given the history of the area, it wouldn't surprise me if it had been there for 100 years before I found it.

[Bazooka Joe71]

If its for a project and you need to do it, just ask the principle, and explain to him exactly what you are bringing, and that it is in no way, shape, or form dangerous...The worst he can say is "no."

[Geronimo45]

If you have to ask, it's probably illegal.

[Neo-Luddite]

When I was 6 years old, I took a handful of .30 Spnfld bullets (just the fired projectile) to first grade for show-and-tell. This was in the South Suburbs of Chicago in the 1970's. The teacher may have not liked guns, but even she knew these were inert hunks of metal. No big deal.

Today, they would likely flip if you brought a plain chunk of lead as it is a toxic metal. When I was teaching middle school ten years ago I had to confiscate little plastic (like GI Joe scale) guns from kids keychains--AND send the kids to get suspended by the principal for having look-alike weapons.
If you have a compelling reason, get permission in writing to bring the bullets (talk up a physics teacher).

[BlindJustice]

"As a lifetime member of the National Pea Shooters
Association, I must take a stand and say that
Pea SHooters and ownership of the same have
been a long tradition in the history of this country.
Pea shooters don't hurt people, People hurt people."

Courtesy of NPR

[230RN]

In general, and not referring to you, OP, "don't try to finesse the system."

The system is brain dead.

[danny]

If a student can be expelled for a drawing of a gun, real ammo (no matter how inert) will definitely get you in trouble.

[Nolo]

I know everyone has already said "don't do it" a million and a half times, but it needs to be said that many times. People have said "if it's with a science or art project, it'll be fine, probably". Maryland (where I live) is relatively moderate with their Zero-Tolerance Policy, but they will still catch you for anything and everything. I accidentally had a knife in my pocket once. I am a very good student, got the highest grade in my class on the PSAT and a very high grade on the SAT (and I will be taking it again). People know me. My school is relatively small and in a relatively low crime area. Everyone knows that I wouldn't hurt anyone. But I had a knife. It is amazing how irrational people can get when faced with a crisis or what they think is a crisis. All I had a was a smallish knife and I got suspended for 10 days (the maximum), an expulsion conference, a felony charge and arrest and 25 days in IAEC (Interim Alternative Education Center, a euphemism for the mandated student wastebins with No Child Left Behind). The court decided I wasn't worth prosecuting and let me go with 90 days probation, I never ended up serving all of my 25 days (only 2) in IAEC because of an unfortunate car accident, but I still had the humiliation of being escorted out of school in handcuffs, crippling 10 days unsupported (i.e., they don't give me any of my work) suspension, and lots of bullcrap with the court and school system. And now they think that I am going to shoot up the school.
I know you're not going to do anything, but you asked what would happen, and that is what would happen. Or worse. I know any component of a firearm is an instant 10 days suspension and expulsion conference, no arguing.

[XD Fan]

I work in a rural school district where we routinely confiscate knives from students and tell them to pick them up from the principal after school. We all know they are just tools.

[Pax Jordana]

I got suspended for 10 days (the maximum), an expulsion conference, a felony charge and arrest and 25 days in IAEC

Here (philly suburbs) as I recall it was a felony charge and, locally, a year's suspension - suspension like get arrested again for being found on school grounds.

Ah well, we band kids ran amok anyway. Anyone who's ever been hit with a marching snare drum stick can attest that weapons are, in fact, brought daily into our schools!

To the OP: I would recommend not doing it. If you have a good reason, ask in advance - THR is not your school administration (but boy what a school we'd have!)

[fletcher]

A friend of mine received in-school detention for 5 days for possessing a .50BMG case with a hole drilled in the side. This was back in middle school.

The assistant principal called a "firearms expert", who said that "with a few slight modifications, it could be deadly." :barf:

Don't take the chance.

[chris in va]

Remember the kid that got suspended for DRAWING a 'gun' on a piece of paper?

[Zoogster]

Maryland (where I live) is relatively moderate with their Zero-Tolerance Policy
You cannot be moderate with a zero tolerance policy. That is the problem with laws and restrictions, people born into them believe they are the norm and things in either direction are a change from what is normal, either less or more restrictive than normal.

Zero tolerance is NOT normal. There is a difference between an action figure with a miniature gun and a life size toy gun. There is a difference between a toy gun and a real gun.
There is a difference between a plastic disposable knife to eat lunch and a metal knife. There is a difference between a swiss army knife and a sword.

The zero tolerance drug policies make about as much sense.
There is a difference between an inhaler a child needs and a prescription pain killer. There is a difference between an aspirin and some crack.

People need to wake up and stop hiding behind zero tolerance policies instead of actualy making decisions and using discretion and judgement. It is cowardly.

If our law had zero tolerance policies we would have no rights in society. Imagine a speeding ticket taking away your license and throwing you in jail permanently. Zero tolerance for irresponsible driving.

How about a zero tolerance for violent offenders? School yard fight? Throw them in jail toss away the key.

Zero tolerance is zero common sense.

[foob]

I work in a rural school district where we routinely confiscate knives from students and tell them to pick them up from the principal after school. We all know they are just tools.

Then why confiscate them at all? There's no deterrence, they are going to continue bringing it to school and keeping them concealed.

[mike101]

"The zero tolerance drug policies make about as much sense."

When she was in 3rd or 4th grade, my daughter was almost suspended for bringing nasal mist to school. She had a cold. The teacher hauled her to the prinicipal's office. The principal called in the school nurse, who called my wife to raise hell. The nurse got a little hell right back from my wife, and my daughter ("A" student, never in trouble for anything) was not suspended. I can't even imagine what would have happened if it had been a bullet that she brought to school. This is NJ.

But to answer your question, you would, at the very least be suspended. Probably worse.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

I brought a spent 30-06 casing and a spent 5.56 casing ito show my buddies on my world history class (10th Grade) the difference between the two, why there was a change, and how the tactics changed for infantry as a result. Nothing happened to me.

The day before my WWII combat veteran Grandfather had flown out from Arizona (I'm in California) and showed up at my family's home and gave me an M1 Garand. I spent Memorial Day (day after he arrived) playing hookie with my Grandfather at the range firing off the M1, and I'll never forget it.

[gaudio5]

they have kicked god out of school. you with a bullet is next lol

[buck00]

Okay people. I want to make this as clear as possible. I will NOT take these into school. I also never said i would. So people stop telling me not to.

Don't do it. You need to be told that again just for asking the question you asked.

You can be arrested, expelled and sued just for drawing a picture of a gun in a school in this day and age.

[Avenger29]

Guys, do ya'll remember the case a couple of months ago where several 5th graders were suspended for having little plastic army men on their graduation caps?

Don't take any physical object that even goes near guns to school.

[Notch]

Quote:
Why would you even bother to do that? Do not do that.

Did you not see "This is a hypothetical situation" It was the first thing in the damn thread. I never said i would do this.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

First off son, show a little respect, or at the least, try not to show disrepect. Second off, sorry but the fact that someone has to post a question like this is enough reason to worry that they might actualy do it. When ya get some more years in your britches, you will read between the lines too....

[fletcher]

Did you not see "This is a hypothetical situation" It was the first thing in the damn thread. I never said i would do this
And the response to your hypothetical question is "don't take it to school, as you will be expelled/arrested/executed/whathaveyou". No need to get snappy at people giving reponses.

[Horsesense]

Why were you going to take a bullet to school? This reminds me of something that happened to one of Bill Cosby's friends.

Bill and his young ne’r do well classmates were in shop class one day. Weird Harold has brought a bullet to school with him and one of the brighter boys in class said "you know, if you put a bullet in the furnace, it will blow up". That day was quiet as all the class waited for the teacher’s little surprise. A few minutes into class, BANG, and the silence was suddenly punctuated with s******s from all of the classmates. But the teacher was no slouch and knew how to find the culprit.

“I’m not going to try to find out who put a bullet in the furnace because I know that guy must have a pretty bad life already.” He said to no student in particular, “I mean that kid’s mom must be an awful mother to raise a son like that.”

The whispers started to fly, “psst..Harold, the guy is talking bout your mother. You gonn’a let him talk about your mother like that?”

The teacher persists, “Yea, the mother of the young man who would put a bullet in the furnace must be pretty low…”

Finally the kid stands up in a rage, "I didn’t put that bullet in the furnace so stop talking about my mother!”

[Joe Demko]

I'm one of only a few teachers at this board...or one of the few who last anyway. Couple-three things:
1. I stand in awe of those of you who have such a sweeping knowledge of American schools that you are able to say what would happen in every one of them. My hat is off to you.
2. There are thousands of schools and millions of students and teachers in the US. You are willing to make generalizations about all of them based on unusual situations that get highly publicized. Remember that the next time somebody uses a mass-murdering whackjob to criticize the entire gun owning community.
3. Don't take them to school unless it is part and parcel of something directly academic. How old are you? Too old for your school to still include show-and-tell, I expect. I also expect you know how your particular school would handle it if you did bring them. What you really wanted to accomplish in this thread was to push an easily pushed hot button and generate a lot of emotional, over-the-top responses.

[RoadkingLarry]

Drill a hole in the top of it and stick an eye screw into it and call it a fishing weight. ;)

Seriously though, the real issue is not whether he should or should not take such an item to school. The issue is the potential for an insane response to an inert lump of metal that so many here seem to be afraid of. Maybe we as common sense people and voters and parents need to adopt a zero tolerance policy towards idiotic zero tolerance policies adopted by the pople who run our taxpayer funded public schools. Replace zero tolerance policies with common sense policies.

[esmith]

First off son, show a little respect, or at the least, try not to show disrepect. Second off, sorry but the fact that someone has to post a question like this is enough reason to worry that they might actualy do it. When ya get some more years in your britches, you will read between the lines too....

Don't first off son me buddy. :neener: I think the reason everyone had a sneaking suspicion that i would do such as this is because i used myself for the example. This is why i said "This is a hypothetical situation" at the beginning of the thread.

And the response to your hypothetical question is "don't take it to school, as you will be expelled/arrested/executed/whathaveyou". No need to get snappy at people giving reponses.

No the responses were "oooooo don't do it" and "why would you do that?" I had never said i would. Don't base things off assumptions.

[Jamie C.]

Hey Esmith... while we're pondering silly hypothetical questions, how 'bout this one:

What do you reckon would happen if a teacher came into class and found this sitting on his/her desk?

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d42/DrakeCaminus/DummyBomb-S.jpg

Now, I know the pic is a little small, and the text kind'a hard to read, but it does say "Practice Bomb" and "Water-Sand fill". You think he/she would have sense enough to actually read what's on it, or just go straight into s****ing and screaming? *g*

Anyway... yes, that is sitting on my back porch as I type this. I don't remember where the thing came from, but it's been there for almost 15 years now. :o

I should probably either turn it into a lamp, or sell it...

Y'all think there's much of a market for 100 pound dummy bombs? :scrutiny::D


J.C

[LiquidTension]

I brought a sword to school for history class in high school, but I asked the teacher first. In college I brought the slide/barrel from my carry gun on one occasion, and a live 5.7 round on another. No big deal in college as long as the professor is ok with it. High schools are a different matter though. I wouldn't even mention a gun hobby at a high school nowadays.

[esmith]

We are speaking on entirely two different situations, Jamie C. First, many of you are saying or speaking as if im going to do what my example had implied. Which is simply not true, this day in age you can't do anything without getting into some sort of trouble. The school system is so watered down and babied that i wouldn't ever consider doing such a thing.

Now you on the other hand are speaking of how if you brought in a dummy bomb how a teacher would freak. Now this would be expected. I am speaking with how you members are making assumptions that i am going to do this, you are speaking on how a teacher would make an assumption that there was a live bomb on their desk. Theres a difference between the two.

[Joe Demko]

I'd still like to know what your expectations were in opening this thread.

[esmith]

It is partially my fault because i had used myself as an example. As i have said maybe for the third time now. Even if i hadn't people would have freaked anyway because they are paranoid that something bad is going to happen to their hobby if I or someone else for that matter, did bring something like this to school. Which i guess, is understandable considering the heat that firearms are already under.

[Jamie C.]

Esmith, I'm not expecting you to do anything at all... And nowhere in here have I told you not to.

For that matter, go ahead, for all I care... then come back and tell us what happened. *shrug* Who knows, maybe we're all wrong, and the school admin where ever you are wouldn't think anything of it.

As for my previous post... I just thought of that old bomb out on the porch, and wondered - if people are as paranoid as they seem - what sort of fit they'd have over that? Nevermind the fact that the thing is about as dangerous as a 5 gallon water can. And remember, it's clearly marked and labeled.

It was really just a humorous thought that gave me a grin, and I thought I'd share. :evil:



J.C.

[esmith]

It was really just a humorous thought that gave me a grin, and I thought I'd share.

Sorry i thought you were going against what i said earlier.

[Jamie C.]

Sorry i thought you were going against what i said earlier.

It's no big deal... you're just letting yourself get a little too defensive over the people who keep saying "Don't do it" after you've already said you weren't gonna.

As for the blue practice bomb... over-reacting is over-reacting. Doesn't matter if it's over a hunk of lead or brass, or a semi-aerodynamic sheet metal water can. My whole point is that people need to slow down, look, and THINK. Then if there's reason to panic... don't, 'cause it ain't gonna help any way. ;)


J.C.

[WuzYoungOnceToo]

Y'all think there's much of a market for 100 pound dummy bombs?
Well, Paris Hilton seems to be in some demand. Oh, wait...you said "bombs", not "blondes". My bad.

[WuzYoungOnceToo]

It is partially my fault because i had used myself as an example. As i have said maybe for the third time now. Even if i hadn't people would have freaked anyway because they are paranoid that something bad is going to happen to their hobby if I or someone else for that matter, did bring something like this to school. Which i guess, is understandable considering the heat that firearms are already under.
You've been asked multiple times now what the purpose was of your hypothetical, but you've refused to address that (beyond some meaningless "I wanted to see what you thought would happen" B.S.) You don't suppose that goes a long way towards validating peoples' assumptions, do you? Don't assume everyone here just fell off the turnip truck.

[Bartkowski]

I would never do that, you will most likely be expelled or suspended.;)

[esmith]

You've been asked multiple times now what the purpose was of your hypothetical, but you've refused to address that (beyond some meaningless "I wanted to see what you thought would happen" B.S.) You don't suppose that goes a long way towards validating peoples' assumptions, do you? Don't assume everyone here just fell off the turnip truck.

Okay i have had enough of this. Do you honestly believe id do this? Do you think im some dim witted idiot who, under how much pressure is on firearms already, endanger my hobby even further by doing this? People have shared some interesting stories, further proving the decomposition of modern thinking. Some people have also told me under what circumstances doing something like this would be acceptable. Even though something may appear, it doesn't always mean what you may intrepret it as.

I would like a mod to lock this thread.

[WuzYoungOnceToo]

Okay i have had enough of this. Do you honestly believe id do this?
It was a simple question. Either answer it or quit your whining.

Do you think im some dim witted idiot
Based on what? Your lack of literacy skills? The ridiculous hypothetical you asked? Your apparent belief that everyone else is stupid? I don't think you really want an answer to that one.

I would like a mod to lock this thread.
Yeah? I'd like an evening with Jessica Alba.

[esmith]

Okay WuzYoungOnceToo, where the hell did i ever say someone was stupid? Hmm? I have gotten defensive over the thread but hear me out before going on. I have admitted to saying that the way i drafted the thread should have caused the responses that resulted. Then i tried clarified myself, yet others continued to tell me never to do such a thing, right after saying i wouldn't. Do you know how frustrating it is when people keep telling you something, then you answer them, yet they ignore you like you never said anything? This is why some of my posts appear to have me angered. I even answered my own question in the first post! You for some reason, lack the mental capactiy to understand this.

Also where do my lack of literacy skills come into play? Love to hear this one.

Yeah? I'd like an evening with Jessica Alba.
What has this anything to do with the thread?

[Bazooka Joe71]

think the reason everyone had a sneaking suspicion that i would do such as this is because i used myself for the example. This is why i said "This is a hypothetical situation" at the beginning of the thread.


I'd tell this "hypothetical" person: DON'T DO THIS!!!!(is that better?)

Yeah? I'd like an evening with Jessica Alba.

If you don't like this thread, or the responses, DON'T POST IN IT ANYMORE!!!(fair enough?)

WuzYoungOnceToo,

Now that was just plain funny.:D

[Jamie C.]

Okay, when and why did this turn into a pissing match? :scrutiny:

Jeez, people... grow a thicker skin, will ya?


J.C.

[esmith]

Its funny how a forum of nice people can end up being full of asses.

[Jamie C.]

WuzYoungOnceToo,

Now that was just plain funny.

I think that if he can figure out how to pull that one off, that he really needs to post instructions on how he did it... :p


J.C.

[Larry Ashcraft]

And on that note...