Right to carry animated gif, very interesting


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unrealtrip
September 17, 2007, 07:53 PM
Starts in 1986 and goes through 2006, very interesting.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/right-to-carry-history.gif

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WayneConrad
September 17, 2007, 07:57 PM
....

yesit'sloaded
September 17, 2007, 10:56 PM
Guess we are winning slowly but surely.

Regolith
September 17, 2007, 11:03 PM
Now, if only there were more green on that map...

Acera
September 17, 2007, 11:34 PM
Great Post unrealtrip,

I hope it is accurate :)

unrealtrip
September 18, 2007, 11:47 AM
Acera: The image comes from http://www.handgunlaw.us/ which is a site that is kept quite current so I would suspect it is indeed right.

W.E.G.
September 18, 2007, 11:57 AM
I'd like to see the same sort of animation showing which states grant reciprocity to at least one other state.

I'm still highly annoyed that South Carolina give reciprocity to NOBODY.

wdlsguy
September 18, 2007, 12:03 PM
I'm still highly annoyed that South Carolina give reciprocity to NOBODY.
As of February 22, 2007, states with which South Carolina has reciprocity are:

Alaska, Arkansas, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, North Carolina, Ohio, Texas, Tennessee, and Wyoming.

http://www.sled.sc.gov/Reciprocity1.aspx?MenuID=CWP

pax
September 18, 2007, 12:14 PM
That image was originally produced by http://www.gun-nuttery.com/ several years ago -- if you look back through their site you can see the history of the image.

Sure looks like www.handgunlaw.us is using the image without attribution.

pax

Dave P
September 18, 2007, 12:25 PM
The Constitution does not give you the Right to carry an animated GIF! That Right is reserved for the Militia.

MaterDei
September 18, 2007, 12:29 PM
I'd like to see the same sort of animation showing which states grant reciprocity to at least one other state.


Go to handgunlaw.us and click on the state that you want to see reciprocity for. Here is the Texas reciprocity map.

http://handgunlaw.us/maps/texas_map.gif

As you can see South Carolina does honor Texas permit holders.

unrealtrip
September 18, 2007, 01:05 PM
pax is right, I just checked out that other site. If used without permission, very uncool of handgunlaw.us to steal that image. Here's where it came from:

http://www.gun-nuttery.com/rtc.php

Along with the still images.

http://www.gun-nuttery.com/maps/1986.gif

http://www.gun-nuttery.com/maps/2006.gif

SSN Vet
September 18, 2007, 03:27 PM
my state has been either green or blue since....well since it's been a state

American_Pit_Bull
September 18, 2007, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by pax:
Sure looks like www.handgunlaw.us is using the image without attribution.


Originally posted by unrealtrip:
pax is right, I just checked out that other site. If used without permission, very uncool of handgunlaw.us to steal that image.

Did you guys even compare the two maps? Besides them both being maps of the US they are nothing alike. The obvious differences of Hawaii and Alaska being in different locations and Puerto Rico not even being shown on the gun-nuttery map... Look at the details on the gulf side of Louisiana or the Atlantic coast of North Carolina or Mass. How about the shape of Puget Sound and Washington?

Totally different maps.

Gary Slider created and maintained his map for packing.org for years and he now does the same for handgun.us.


Very bad form on calling out someone on a copyright issue without even more than glancing at the map. (Almost "Low Road" if you ask me)


.

Since Packing.org bit the big one handgun.us is the only reliable place for info on reciprocity. We should be thanking them, not falsely accusing and excoriating them.

pax
September 18, 2007, 07:23 PM
TRAC ~

Compare the image at http://www.gun-nuttery.com/rtc.php with the image at http://www.handgunlaw.us/right-to-carry-history.gif

They are the same image, with AK and HI in the same place. No Puerto Rico on either map. Same color scheme. Same proportions. Same legend in the lower left corner.

I did not accuse Gary Slider or anyone else of stealing anything -- only commented that it sure looks as if handgunlaw is using the image without attribution. It's entirely possible they have permission to use the image, but it's unusual to use such an image without attribution.

It's a great resource and I'm grateful to the guys who created it. Seems like the high road involves acknowledging the creator of such great resources too.

pax

American_Pit_Bull
September 18, 2007, 07:36 PM
pax,
my apologies. I didn't check the hot-linked image's address and did not see the link on Steve and Gary's site. I thought the images being compared were of the reciprocity maps and the gun-nuttery image.

I will let Steve or Gary comment on the identical animated gif.

pax
September 18, 2007, 07:46 PM
TRAC ~

No worries.

As I said, it's entirely possible (I mean, likely -- these are good guys) that they had permission. It just seemed odd not to see the attribution.

pax

SteveA
September 18, 2007, 08:22 PM
The map you refer to that appears to have come from gun-nuttery, did. It is used with permission - in it's form - without attribution because [sorry, can't recall the gentleman's name] didn't want it.

As to posting hot-links to our maps - please don't do that. It uses our bandwidth without tripping bots and does not visibly link ot our site.

Thanks.

Steve Aikens
Co-Owner
www.handgunlaw.us.

pax
September 18, 2007, 08:25 PM
Steve ~

Thanks for the clarification. Figured it was something like that.

pax

SteveA
September 18, 2007, 08:33 PM
Anytime pax. Have a great evening.

trainwreck100
September 18, 2007, 08:49 PM
That image was originally produced by http://www.gun-nuttery.com/ several years ago -- if you look back through their site you can see the history of the image.

Sure looks like www.handgunlaw.us is using the image without attribution.

Way back in 2006? I was just a little guy then.

trainwreck100
September 18, 2007, 08:50 PM
Sorry, double post

American_Pit_Bull
September 18, 2007, 11:07 PM
Originally posted by trainwreck100:
Way back in 2006? I was just a little guy then.It was originally produced years ago. He just updates it every year.

Bazooka Joe71
September 19, 2007, 08:07 PM
I have a question abou the yellow states...My buddy, who grew up in Indiana, moved to Florida for a couple of years. While in FL, he got his CCW(doesn't expire until '09) and now he is a resident of Indiana again. Does he still have his CCW, or is it now void because he is a IN resident?

The wording confused me.

U.S.SFC_RET
September 19, 2007, 08:57 PM
They have conducted documentaries after documentaries. Criminals fear armed citizens the worst but it doesn't get liberal votes. It doesn't look good for the black/innercity vote. That means Democrat vote.

CZ.22
September 19, 2007, 09:09 PM
what's that blue state beneath MA (not good at NE geography)

wdlsguy
September 19, 2007, 09:11 PM
While in FL, he got his CCW(doesn't expire until '09) and now he is a resident of Indiana again. Does he still have his CCW, or is it now void because he is a IN resident?
Licensees are required to notify Florida of address changes. The permit should remain valid as far as Florida is concerned.

http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/license/changes.html

I believe Indiana requires residents to carry on an Indiana license though.

IC 35-47-2-21
Recognition of retail dealers' licenses and licenses to carry handguns issued by other states
Sec. 21. (a) Retail dealers' licenses issued by other states or foreign countries will not be recognized in Indiana except for sales at wholesale.
(b) Licenses to carry handguns, issued by other states or foreign countries, will be recognized according to the terms thereof but only while the holders are not residents of Indiana.

http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title35/ar47/ch2.html

The Unknown User
September 19, 2007, 09:40 PM
This is awesome.

jdege
April 29, 2010, 06:21 PM
I ran across this old thread while searching to see who was linking my map, after having updated it to reflect the new shall-issue law in Iowa.

I'm responding to it because it might lead to a misunderstanding.

Gary Shade contacted me, a number of years ago, about my map. He disagreed with my characterization of Alabama and Connecticut. Both have laws that are may-issue, according to the letter of the law, but are administered in a shall-issue fashion. When I first made this map, the NRA had both listed as shall-issue. A number of years later they added a "discretionary/reasonable" category, and put AL and CT in that category, which I can understand. (They also put Iowa in that category, which I thought was a serious mistake. Fortunately, starting Jan 1, this will no longer be an issue.)

In any case, Gary asked me if I'd change my map. I declined. He then asked if he could make his own map reflecting his own understanding of the law. I said I didn't think he needed my permission, but if he did, he had it.

So, if anyone comes wandering across this thread, and starts wondering about the accusations made against handgunlaw.us, they are entirely groundless.

RS14
April 29, 2010, 07:23 PM
what's that blue state beneath MA (not good at NE geography)

Connecticut.

Acera
April 29, 2010, 07:50 PM
Thanks for the update..........

Clifford
April 29, 2010, 09:24 PM
Hey now, zonia' has changed it's color. It should be green now.

jdege
April 29, 2010, 11:50 PM
And it is:

http://www.gun-nuttery.com/rtc.gif

oayarc
April 30, 2010, 12:03 AM
As a resident of Iowa, i am so glad to see that change!, our goal someday should be all green, or at least blue.

CoRoMo
April 30, 2010, 09:50 AM
Three states protect concealed carry as a Right.
Forty-six offer a concealed carry Privilege.
Two states outright deny it to their citizens.

budiceman
April 30, 2010, 11:11 AM
I'm still highly annoyed that South Carolina give reciprocity to NOBODY.
not true. even your state too!
Alaska Arizona Arkansas Florida Kansas
Kentucky Louisiana Michigan Missouri North Carolina,
Ohio Oklahoma Texas Tennessee Virginia
West Virginia Wyoming.

budiceman
April 30, 2010, 11:15 AM
As a resident of Iowa, i am so glad to see that change!, our goal someday should be all green, or at least blue. It is blue!!

rhenriksen
April 30, 2010, 05:07 PM
Staring at that map makes me very happy.

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